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CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:21 am

I hear it thru the grape vine that it si a done deal.


ETOPS ready and ready to increase international routes.
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:26 am

Apparently America West wants a piece of that pie too! Are the engines on ATA 75's the same as CO's?
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:28 am

Yeah they're all Rolls-Royce.
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:33 am

I also can vouch for that, buddy of mine at EWR said the deal is too good to pass up. Pilots are pretty happy about this, 753 has a higher pay scale than the 752.
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:47 am

So when will we hear an official announcement about this? Is CO going to redo the interiors of the TZ aircraft to match CO's? Do the TZ 753's have the LCD drop down monitors? What is the terms of cost and financing?
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:49 am

Two CO pax load question here:

How many pax seats on a 762?

How many pax seats on a 753?
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:54 am

You can bet that we will outfit the airplanes so they are totally common with the rest of the 757-300 fleet. One of Gordon's most important lessons is to maintain consistency of product, so I wouldn't expect anything similar to the early 1990s where we had as many as 7 different interior styles in service to go with a variety of paint schemes on the outside.

The 757-300 is fitted with 12 First Class and 210 coach seats.
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:55 am

Maybe deploy them on some european routes...ie dublin & Shannon
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:56 am

''I hear it thru the grape vine that it si a done deal.''

... and the source is ... ?? Don't post stuff like this if you can't back it up..



[Edited 2004-11-15 23:14:37]
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:56 am

Does this mean ATA is now out of the troop transport business?
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:00 am



CO 762 .... 25/149
CO 753 .... 12/210

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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:01 am

our 762's seat 174...while our 753s seat 222......quite a difference......if we pick these up maybe goodbye 76H LAX-HNL and hello 2 753's.....who knows.
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:04 am

Thanks for the pax #s info.

So, none of these 753s would be used for domestic service? I ask, because we get some 753s in Denver. . .don't know about them recently, but I do know the ones I've seen here in Denver always came from Houston.
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:06 am

Maybe get some of 767-400er's back from the pacific to operate out of EWR
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:07 am

Shouldn't we wait for CO to announce this before we start to change the interiors etc?
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:10 am

Might be a bumb question, but can a 753 make it across the Atlantic without restricted payload?
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:15 am

Scorpio, I was wondering that same thing too. I don't think FI's only 753 can even make it to MSP from KEF, much less one to take the entire trip across the pond even from New England without restrictions in either direction of some sort.

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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:15 am

I think eastbound is not the problem but westbound due to the head winds
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:17 am

If CO gets the 753s they'll be used to replace capacity lost by domestic 757/767s and on a few Hawaii runs. Remember that CO's 753s are not ETOPS and they do not have BF or international runs.
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:18 am

I wonder what the business first config would be on the 757-300
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:19 am

The published range for the 757-300 is 3270nm.



The range on the map is figured from EWR

[Edited 2004-11-15 23:21:13]
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:21 am

I take it that map is using EWR as the base?--question answered

[Edited 2004-11-15 23:25:50]
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:22 am

Could the 757 winglet program be extended to the -300?
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:24 am

maybe winglets could be the answer
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:34 am

COs upcoming ex ATA B 753s will be a good fit too to the Continental Micronesia Fleet on key-high density regional routes from Guam such as Japan-HKG-TPE etc.

These B 753s should also replace B 767s operating on the LAX-HNL route as the B 753s are more suited to this mode of operations than the longer range B 764s are.

The extra B 753s as someone said will also come in handy for medium haul trans-atlantic flights from EWR to DUB and SNN + extra/charter flights in the peak (and short) winter season from EWR/CLE/IAH hubs to popular beach cities such as Florida-Bahamas-Bermuda-Mexico and Caribbean.

If CO has no need to use al 12 B 753s, it can too look into leasing them out (for extra cash) to European charter/LCC airlines who would relish the extra capacity of the B 753 in the winter season on flights to Greece-Spain-Turkey and Portugal.
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:38 am

I thought NW had also expressed a desire or a wish that they had ordered more 753's.... wonder how they will (or they do) feel about this deal.
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:44 am

NW won't want the RR engines.

I dunno about the 753 replacing all the high density.

ATA's 753s are ETOPS, but that doesn't mean CO will maintain the certification.

Swapping the 753 onto Hawaii would be fine to replace any 762s in the market, but the 764s on Hawaii duty have a lot of seats. The 753 isn't quite enough, especially since CO offers BizFirst on Hawaii routes.

3270 is the still air distance, but the plane will struggle to do nonstops westbound from Europe without restrictions.

All in all, I think this is great. The 753 is a money machine.

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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:44 am

Since they don't have P&W engines, Northwest would have little interest in them. Some on this board have rumored that Northwest expressed a desire for more 753's but no one at Northwest has ever said this.
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:45 am

These ATA 757's would not be a good fit for NW due to engine type
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:57 am

You guys crack me up...I love threads like this.  Smile

Someone posts a rumor on the internet about CO taking 757s from ATA. Within a matter of hours... you guys already have the planes repainted, re-interiored, added winglets (is that even possible on this plane yet?), and deployed on Hawaii runs and to Continental Micronesia...

shouldn't we wait just a little before y'all get carried away?
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:59 am

Didn't ATA say they were keeping the 753's for charter work?
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:23 am

what's wrong with dreaming a little
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:30 am

Right, Scorpio
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:05 am

CO will not deploy the 753 on TATL runs - it would require considerable expense to maintain a small international 753 subfleet, and TATL markets that support the 753's pax capacity have good cargo loads as well, necessitating the use of widebodies. If any TZ 753s are picked up, they will be deployed within North America, or perhaps on select EWR/IAH-Latin America runs.
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:18 am

This topic came up a couple of weeks ago and I made the point at that time this if (and that is all it is right now is if) Continental picks up the ATA 753's and if Contintental sets them up with the same configuration as its current 753's then they will not be good for the transatlantic routes due to the 12 FC seats. I personally think that IF this whole theory comes true that the 753's will be used domestically and that the planes freed up by the influx will be used transatlantic...mainly 752's.

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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:40 am

CO will not deploy the 753 on TATL runs - it would require considerable expense to maintain a small international 753 subfleet,

They maintain a small international 752 fleet...

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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:43 am

Not quite, Gigneil - I don't have the latest fleet count numbers handy, but the international 752 fleet is sizeable, and growing.
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:43 am

I think its in the range of 16 airframes.

The point of course is that the international 753s could be maintained as part of the "international 757" subfleet.

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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:50 am

Yes, but CO will get virtually zero utility out of a Intl. 753 subfleet - such a plane does not fit into their TATL strategy, and there's a more pressing need for capacity upgauges on certain domestic runs anyways.
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:19 am

Two things:

Cactus739 is right - all this excitement about an unconfirmed rumor amounts to a waste of time.

777gk: Whoever told you that CO pilots make more to fly the 753 vs. the 752 doesn't have his/her facts straight. At the moment the pay scales are the same. The issue has gone to arbitration but to date has not been settled.

[Edited 2004-11-16 02:21:10]
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:44 am

nothing on the CO employee site yet...
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:07 am

There won't be either. Somebody has been sniffing too much jetfuel

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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:11 am

I'm not going to post the exact numbers, in fact I think they are publicly available on a web site, but looking beyond 2004 bringing the 757-300 in line with widebody pay scales is critical, due to issues arising over the increase in capacity to 222 seats, among plenty of other things.

Again, rumors are strong but are backed up by what I consider to be legitimate sources. I was skeptical until said sources were able to corroborate the rumblings. Certainly I hope to see additional 757-300s in our colors, but 12 airplanes is quite a chunk of capacity to introduce to the system, especially in a time where our ASM growth was planned to be essentially flat. If the deal is made, I would guess it to be just an example of taking advantage of a good opportunity, that being an irresistable deal on the jets.

You and I know as well as anyone how we do with the -300, and if we can find the right routes to put them on, I don't think anyone will have an objection with the kind of money this bird can bring in.
 
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:14 pm

this is a dumb question but is ata going under completely or just downsizing?
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:48 pm

The 753 Just does not have the range to operate profitably westbound from anywhere in Europe but Ireland, or west coast- Hawaii.

If we get them and its a big if, I would expect them to be used domestically or maybe LAX-Hnl while they add winglets to more 752's for next years new European cities.
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:53 pm

Sure would be nice to see more CO 753s in the fleet. THey are RR powered, correct, otherwise CO would refuse to pick them up?
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:27 pm

Cory6188~

"Do the TZ 753's have the LCD drop down monitors?"

Yes....  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:42 pm

Hey


to answer an earlier question the CO 757-300s do have LCD drop down TVs and very nice seats! I flew COs first pessenger 757-300 flight from EWR-FLL back in January of 2002.

I also do believe that the ATA ones have LCDs.
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:41 pm

I also do believe that the ATA ones have LCDs.

That they do have for sure. I flew ATA on a Pleasant Hawaiian Holidays charter last year and the 753s were in good shape. It had leather seats, 2 classes and fold down LCDs. Great machine.
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RE: CO To Pick-up 12 ATA 757-300

Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:00 am

I posted here last nite some good info about the 757 and 767....not too many people bothered to look...answers lots of questions..here are the links again..

http://www.757.org.uk/

http://www.767.org.uk/
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