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US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:23 pm

It hasn't been announced yet, but it's been loaded into the schedules.

US Airways will begin nonstop service between Philadelphia (PHL) and Barcelona, Spain (BCN) effective May 16.

US Airways will also start service between Philadelphia and Venice, Italy (VCE) effective May 9.

Both new flights will use Boeing 767-200ER aircraft. BCN and VCE will become US Airways' 12th and 13th European destinations served from PHL.

US 0948 PHL BCN 1945 0935+1 767
US 0949 BCN PHL 1235 1530 767

US 0022 PHL VCE 1755 0820+1 767
US 0023 VCE PHL 1225 1610 767



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[Edited 2004-11-17 04:32:25]
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:39 pm

Those are great destinations. Do any other airlines serve those two destinations non stop from the US? It indicates that US feels it will be around in May if they are investing the money in start up.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:41 pm

Delta serves both from New York-JFK (and Barcelona seasonally from Atlanta). US Airways will be the only other U.S. carrier at both airports.



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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:44 pm

I dont think they will ever go through with this service.  Big grin
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:44 pm

yea...BUT...

will USAirways even be around to fly those routes???

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[Edited 2004-11-17 04:45:51]
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:46 pm

Apparently US' 767's can't be going too far, if they are adding two routes...
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:52 pm

Apparently US' 767's can't be going too far, if they are adding two routes...

Yes, but even with these two new routes, US will only be utilizing seven of its ten 767's (DUB, SNN, GLA, BCN, AMS, MUC, VCE) on Atlantic crossings, meaning there are still aircraft in question.



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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:55 pm

Yes, but even with these two new routes, US will only be utilizing seven of its ten 767's (DUB, SNN, GLA, BCN, AMS, MUC, VCE) on Atlantic crossings, meaning there are still aircraft in question.

Keep in mind that the extra sections for CDG and LGW always take a while to show up in the schedules.
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:15 pm

Apparently US' 767's can't be going too far, if they are adding two routes...

They won't begin receiving A330-200s until 2007, so it was always safe to assume they'd be around until then.

Will these routes be served daily?

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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:16 pm

Extra sections to LGW and CDG are indeed 762s, but also the regular flights as well! 1X A333 becomes 2X 762 for both destinations I beleive. That would make 4 more in addition to the 7 listed above, which obviosuly wouldn't work since there are only 10.

Or is LGW/CDG going to be an A333 and 762 next summer instead? I'm still amazed they're finding all these available 762s laying around. Either way they're operating at or near capacity in regards to widebodies. If one 762 should go technical is there going to be a backup available?

Also, 1 A333 runs MAD in the summer, so if CDG and LGW keep their A333s for the summer, they'll be running thin as well.
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:20 pm

FANTASTIC...

Very good news for BCN and VCE...

Are they going to be daily...?

I am sure it is for Cruises...Thats Good very good....
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:22 pm

Is it just me, or is US starting to look better than UA? UA keeps on begging for concessions from labor, but hasn't done much of anything else, and is still in ch11. At least US is trying some new routes, increasing utilization, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:24 pm

When PHL-LGW ran at 2x in the past, it was 1x 333 + 1x 762. That's presumably what it would be if it should run at 2x daily this year.

PHL-CDG was 2x 762 last year, but it has been 1x 333 + 1x 762 before. PIT-FRA/LGW freed up two planes, a 333 and a 762. It appears that they will place the extra 333 on the CDG route, allowing them to serve both MAD and CDG with the 333 in summer.
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:41 pm

Caboclo-US Airways' problem isn't that they are operationally struggling (in fact, in their last quarter that they were outside of bankruptcy, Q2, they turned a net profit, albeit a small one), the problem is that they have an immediate cash crisis. The fact remains that, if US Airways didn't have the ATSB loan covenants to put up with, or they had another billion in cash, they could easily weather this storm without an issue, but of course, neither is the case, and as a result, surviving is almost a day-to-day issue...the good news is, oil prices seem to be on the decline of late (slightly, not much, but enough that I could fill up my tank yesterday at under two dollars a gallon, which, in this day and age, is a good sign), and if that trend continues, US Airways and the other airlines could manage to survive.
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:06 pm

Thus IS good news, although I am a little dubious regarding VCE. Is there a big enough market for that route, or are they only doing it for summer? Either way, good on USAir!
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:40 pm

At least VCE will only be seasonal. In winter its too often 'aqua alta'.

What are there summer only routes to Europe?

PHL-SNN
PHL-DUB
PHL-GLA
PHL-VCE?!
PHL-BCN?

something else?
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:28 pm

Wow...this came out of left field, never imagined it , but good to hear...

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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:13 pm

I know they're in dire financial straits, but is US EVER going to revamp the 767 interiors to post-millenium standards??
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:28 pm

>They won't begin receiving A330-200s until 2007<

If they are around then. I hope they are, because they have great service on the A333 with great PTVs, a great selection of movies, and decent food. Then again, their A321s and 757s are much more comfortable in Y

>Or is LGW/CDG going to be an A333 and 762 next summer instead? I'm still amazed they're finding all these available 762s laying around. Either way they're operating at or near capacity in regards to widebodies. If one 762 should go technical is there going to be a backup available?

Also, 1 A333 runs MAD in the summer, so if CDG and LGW keep their A333s for the summer, they'll be running thin as well.<

They actually pissed me off with an A333 gone techincal at PHL. They needed to repair/replace the nose, so our flight was delayed 1 hour, then 2, then finally 3 hours. That sucked. What pissed me off so badly is that even the US CSA admited they had a spare A333 on the ground there, but for some reason were not towing it out. Even she was mad.

Oh, for the person who talked about reporting a profit, they only timed they have returned a profit in a long time was when they recieved their exit financing to come out of bankruptcy. When the Alabama Pension Fund gave them their exit financing, US was able to report a profit based on the massive cash infusion. They have been reporting massive losses lately.
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:57 pm

"When the Alabama Pension Fund gave them their exit financing, US was able to report a profit based on the massive cash infusion. They have been reporting massive losses lately." That's simply incorrect. We had positive cash flow after receiving the investment, but did not report an operating profit. We did, however, report an operating profit in the 3rd quarter.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:47 pm

At least VCE will only be seasonal. In winter its too often 'aqua alta'.

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Great news!

I'm sure they will do quite well on both routes. The business traffic in VCE should not be underestimated (this is after all one of the richest areas in Europe), DL's flights to JFK are always packed in J and carry a lot of cargo.

Of course I'm already hoping that PHL-VCE will do so well that it becomes a year-round service Big grin

Can't wait to see their 762s here!

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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:48 am

Here is the press release:

http://www.usairways.com/about/press/nw_04_1117a.htm

ARLINGTON, Va., Nov. 17, 2004 -- US Airways announced today that it will begin nonstop daily seasonal service to two new European destinations next summer, bringing customers convenient access to the art and magic of the Venetian canals and the unique architecture and Catalan culture of Barcelona. Additionally, US Airways will again offer seasonal service to Dublin, Glasgow and Shannon next summer, bringing the airline’s European network to thirteen nonstop destinations.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:53 am

Excellent routes for them. Great destinations unfortunately IM sure it will be to little too late, as its almost certain one of the unions will have dragged them down by then. Cant say that I blame them just at this point it seems inevitable. Just my $.02
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:58 am

Service to Venice begins May 9. Isn't that the same day that service started this year by WN? Are they going to have a big bash with the Mayors of Venice and Philadelphia at the airport or something to upstage a celebration that WN might have?
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:02 am

I think it is absolutely incredible that an airline can be bankrupt and almost pennyless going to the courts to cancel labour contracts and enforce new conditions....and yet start up new trans-atlantic services! A new route VERY rarely makes profit for the first year or two as it takes time to gain the corporate contracts that fill the premium seats. What a risk to take....
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:03 am

I'm surprised these two destinations were chosen over others, including Brussels (returning), Zurich, Milan, or even a third German city. Though, I wonder if they were chosen to get there before Continental does, as I'm sure both cities are on CO's short list of new EWR-Europe 757 routes.




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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:17 am

"UA keeps on begging for concessions from labor, but hasn't done much of anything else, and is still in ch11."

Caboclo - United has added/announed the following new Intl routes & service increases just recently;

ORD-PVG
ORD-EZE
SFO-Nagoya
LAX-NRT (Increased to 2 daily flights)

So they are not sitting on their hands either.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:39 am

Good News for BCN!  Big thumbs up I am sure US Airways will get what they expect from these cities and I hope it helps them to recover from their crisis.

Skyteam2000,

I agree with you, I am sure cruises were crucial in order to choose BCN as a new destination. Barcelona has become the first European destination for touristic cruises, and it means a lot of rich tourists traveling to the city from rich countries such as the USA.
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:56 am

BCNGRO.

Wait and see...BCN is going to grow this year with new destinations.

 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:38 pm

US762 to VCE is a GREAT Surprise!!  Big thumbs up

"At least VCE will only be seasonal. In winter its too often 'aqua alta'."
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:05 pm

Matt777, good to know. Then I have to hurry. I ever wanted to see Venice flooded. It gives you a little extra thrill.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:20 am

I agree with Burnsie28....I'll believe it when I see it.

Remember that AA had announced non-stop to BCN and NW had announced service to Spain from DTT and they never materialized. Given US's financial situation, if those flights dont start filling up a few months out, I am sure they will axe them which in turn is a precarious situation since they are in CH 11 right now, their bookings down the road are down given passengers dont have the confidence to buy that far out.

I do hope it does work out for them as BCN is an underserved and growing market, especially the cruise market.

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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:51 pm

These new routes are probably attributable to the axing of daily nonstop flights from Pittsburgh to Frankfurt and the seasonal PIT-LGW flight. This has freed up one A330 and one 767-200ER for North Atlantic operations.

Why doesn't US go double daily on PHL-LGW to better compete with BA, which flies to LHR?

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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:35 pm

You know, VCE is a marginal route for Delta. And they have the NYC market and their partnership with Alitalia to support the flight. This is about a crazy as USAirways plans for FLL. These expansion plans seem so far fetched.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:44 am

US probably chose to go where the most profitable flying is. They are pretty well equipped with information from their existing Europe network.
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:57 am

I'm familiar with the market. VCE is the weakest of Delta's Transatlantic flights in terms of business travel. The Bus Elite section is 90% filled with free awards sprinkeled with some upgrades from coach. The flight survives on tour groups which land somewhere else in Europe and end in VCE. USAirways is hoping to tap into this business. But here is the kicker, there is not enough tour business to make this a feasible operation for two US carriers. Delta will survive in the end because the have the NYC O&D business and Alitalia helps sell the flight by codesharing. USAir will just go out and offer rock bottom huge discounts to consolidators to sell the flight. They will then find out there is not enough business to go around and they can get no decent yield on the flight whatsoever.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:11 am

It makes sense that they would add VCE and BCN. These are two huge tourist destinations, and US is trying to revamp themselves as an LCC, therefore aimed at the leisure market.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:03 am

I came to this discussion late, but I know that VCE offered a huge sum of cash to US to operate the route. DL gets a similar bung to keep the route alive. The Catalans were alos keen to get a service to the US and were prepared to pay for it. If these deals had not materialised, the aircraft would have operated to Northern European routes.
 
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:50 am

I didn't want to start a new thread, so I figured this was the best place to put it.

I noticed a *very* interesting filing with the DOT.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf90/305588_web.pdf

US Airways will discontinue codesharing for local O&D passengers on Lufthansa's BOS-FRA route. (US Airways will continue codesharing on the route for passengers connecting on LH over FRA or US over BOS.)

While that may not sound so exciting at first glance, I believe this would be a necessary step if US Airways intended to operate its own aircraft on the route.

USAir has operated the BOS-FRA route in the past.
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RE: US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE

Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:58 pm

But why should they finish it's existing LH codeshare when they want to start it's own flight?
Usually when two airlines from an alliance fly the same route, they codeshare on each others flights.