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Specific And Unique SkyTeam/Thalys Threat For BRU

Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:06 pm

A few years ago AF decided to go hand in hand with 2H and drop its CDG-BRU flights in favor of ZYR-CDG high-speed trains. Check-in (or so) is offered at ZYR but you still have to transfer your luggage yourself at CDG and hence line up in the queues there.

Now AF has acquired KL and a similar option could be envisaged to replace KL's AMS-BRU flights with a ZYR-AMS (maybe pending the inauguration of a shorter travel time between the two stations which currently stands at 2h40 compared to 1h15 on ZYR-CDG). AF's existing agreement with 2H may make the thing easier for a deal with its KL part.

Imagine AF and KL both having a high-speed train link between ZYR and their respective home airports, providing countless connections to their network and eventually sharing that advantage with their SkyTeam partners. You could see a CO, DL, KE, MEA, NW tag on any of these train services (alongside AF & KL) that would boost those airlines' offer and visibility on the market but could be a serious blow to the airport's ambitions, whichever they may be.

SN has recently inaugurated its high-speed train service between BRU and XPG to cater for Africans in the Paris area but this offer is in no way a threat to CDG compared to what the above fiction would mean for BRU.

I believe that this is a unique situation in the world today. Do you think it is normal that a specific carrier/alliance be given such a competitive edge over the local airport and its operators?
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RE: Specific And Unique SkyTeam/Thalys Threat For

Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:55 pm

last thing i heard was that AF were not happy with their CDG-ZYR connection and were quitting it.

Besides the accesibility of BRU is much better than CDG is for Paris. So the need to skip BRU because it is so far away and so congested is less likely to be around.
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RE: Specific And Unique SkyTeam/Thalys Threat For BRU

Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:18 pm

I hope this doesn't sound too harsh but you have just summed up nicely as to why Belgium would eventually no longer need their own carrier to serve longhaul sectors.

[Edited 2004-11-17 12:24:22]
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RE: Specific And Unique SkyTeam/Thalys Threat For BRU

Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:22 pm

I makes me wonder that AF did this between Brussel and Paris and is considering it now also for the Amsterdam route. It sounds not very comfortable if I have to recheck my luggage at Cologne.
In contrast LH also has its code on the train to Cologne and Stuttgart from FRA, but get your boarding card and have custums at the station, so that it is really flying on altitude 0. And also LH has 16 train-flights to CGN while AF only has 5 to Brussel. But even under that more comfortabe conditions LH didn't give up it's flights completely.
So I wonder that it seems to be working for AF to abandon all flights, while is more comfortable with offering both options.

Are there serious plans for AF to make it's trains real flight-like?
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RE: Specific And Unique SkyTeam/Thalys Threat For BRU

Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:47 am

Hey KEno!

There are weapons in business and these are the main disadvantages of inter-modality for BRU in this case. We didn't list the advantages and the possibilities the other way round if a comparable offer was available.

On a side note I can just imagine a whole new different product based at BRU like an intercontinental hub of long-haul premium only flights. BRU certainly has room to offer such a thing while those around wouldn't have the capacity to support both current and such operations and making it comfortable for the targeted highly attractive and sensitive executive customers.
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RE: Specific And Unique SkyTeam/Thalys Threat For BRU

Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:32 am

My understanding was that the whole point of the exersize was that there was a shortage of slots.

Is this correct?.

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