Ruscoe
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380 Upper Deck

Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:13 pm

There have been quite a few comments on this forum about the 380 upper deck, and how it looks to have very sloping walls, low height, and be a bit cramped.

Is there anybody out there who has actually seen the mockup in real life, and if so can they comment on it?

Thanks,

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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:11 pm

Hi There,

Someone made the comment that it appears the engineers are working on a raised platform in the A380 pictures that have just come out. Seems raised as they are working on the overhead bins / or ceiling.

Hope this helps!

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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:36 pm

Well, if you look at the drawings (http://www.airbus.com/product/a380_cabin_layouts.asp) of the upper deck the outer parts seem to slope quite a bit, but the deck is wide for the number of seats so the window seat will not really have a low ceiling. There might, however, be some space between the seat and the actual fuse (by the floor, that is).

Compare:
A380 upper deck seating is 2-4-2, with a width of 19'5" or 5,92.
A330/340 seating is also 2-4-2, with a width of 17'4" or 5,28m

Tthat's over two feet more with the same number of seats. So any low ceilinged section at the edges will not be a problem. Just leave the last foot clear.

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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:58 am

Check out the pics in this thread:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1816114/

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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:42 am

The most negative aspect of the A380 upper deck that I have seen so far is the
very shallow-looking side overhead bins. This is pretty obvious in the pictures in the
thread AA777223ER indicates and also in the cross-section StarlionBlue pointed us to.
Unless I'm really missing something... in which case feel free to correct me.

Someone made the comment that it appears the engineers are working on a raised platform in the A380 pictures that have just come out.

With all due respect, I find this hard to believe since, if you do look at the pictures,
and you imagine the workers actually sitting, the windows seem exactly at the
right level. The floor might be covered by protective sheets or something similar,
but I do not believe it's raised.

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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:32 am

While the floor may not be raised, the photographer may be using a medium-focal length telephoto lens which would compress perspective. The first interior picture (see the link AA777223ER posted) looks like it is more accurate with respect to perspective. One man is on a step stool and another (the one to the right) is reaching above his head into the area between the center bins. While in the second picture it may appear that the man in the black shirt is ducking to avoid hitting the left-center bin, this is trick your eyes are playing. Notice that still there are two people standing on step stools in the second picture. The ceiling doesn't look that low at all.

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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:42 am

From looking at the Airbus drawings that StarlionBlue provided a link to, I must say, it doesn't look to be very hard to request an over-the-wing seat assignment.

In terms of the upper deck, the windows a re tilted inward toward the top. . .I'd rather sit on the lower deck. . .with windows that are more or less easier to look at terra firma through. . .unless you have a wingseat in the middle of the girth of the span. . .then your stuck with only wing and sky for the most part.
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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:06 am

On an interesting note, according to Boeing's website, the A380 will be 25% more expensive for "trip costs" compared to a 747-400

and while only 30 airports can support the "extreme bulk and weight" (Boeing's words there), the 747-400 has support from over 200 airports

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/e_brochure/highres/flash_index.html


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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:31 am

SNATH,

DUDE, This is something I read and I was passing on
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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:31 am

Jacobin777:

That's what Boing says, hope you don't trust them. I have more trust in airlines who spent billions for this new aircrafts, many of them replace a part of their 747 fleet with them.

That's pure Boeing propaganda. But Airbus is not better btw.
 
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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:43 am

JoFMO..that is why I was saying it was from Boeing..of course, as you can tell from my name, I have a given bias..... Big grin
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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:01 am

Boeing communication...
Maybe there is only 30 airports but if i remember they represent 80% of the 747 high capacity flights.

[Edited 2004-11-17 22:03:11]
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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:08 am

Hey,

SNATH,

DUDE, This is something I read and I was passing on


I didn't mean to bash you and, if my post came through that way, I apologise.
I simply gave my view on your comment.

the photographer may be using a medium-focal length telephoto lens which
would compress perspective.


That may very well be the case. I actually didn't feel that the ceiling was low on the
pictures.

Tony

[Edited 2004-11-17 22:27:46]
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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:15 am

That's pure Boeing propaganda. But Airbus is not better btw.

Oh...sure it is !!! They are selling more, they have the biggest airplane...do You need more reasons ?
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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:27 am

I've taken a few pictures from the Airbus A30 Airplane Characteristics for Airport Planning Manual

http://www.content.airbusworld.com/SITES/Technical_Data/docs/AC/DATA_CONSULT/AC_A380.pdf

And added in some height marks, i copied the aisle width distance, rotated it and stacked them vertically, looking at things ( somewhat roughly ) it seems that the upper deck has about 2.5m from floor to ceiling, the lower deck has maybe 2.75m. See for yourself though....



 
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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:52 am

Just because the trip cost of the 747 is a 100% more than the trip cost of a 757 doesn't mean the 747 is a bad airplane for cost-conscious airlines.
What matters is the cost per seat, provided you can fill all seats. And the A380 offers a better cost per seat than the 747, which makes it a good choice on high-traffic routes.

Trip cost in itself doesn't tell much if not associated with the number of seats.

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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:44 am

RupesNZ, great work on the pics.

I think that both bins and seats will be just as spacious as on a 340.

The perspective fools the eye a little. After all, ceiling height is 2.50m. This is quite enough. Also, the bins are probably not quite to scale. Note also that the bins in the upper deck can be smaller than on the lower deck since there are two less seats per row.
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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:09 am

Given the article from the flugreview, Airbus stated that the BumbleBee 380 is "pushing" it in terms of weight for a widebody aircraft...hence, I think (JMHO) weight performance and cost/revenue per seat just might be worse than that of the B747 (which is one of the majour selling points of the BumbleBee 380 in the first place).....we'll see... JMHO again,
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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:46 pm

Please, no other A vs B war!!
Is it really so hard to focus on the main topic?
 
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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:02 pm


Does anyone know how many seats you could actually fit on one of these? 555 seems kind of low.
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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:27 pm

The proposed A380-900 would fit over 900 in a one-class config.

It's all a question of certification. The A380-800 will be certified from 555 at entry into service. You could fit more seats but this will require new certification.
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RE: 380 Upper Deck

Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:19 am

So it looks like the window seats on the upper deck of the A380 will be very similar to those on the 747, with inward-sloping sidewalls and extra baggage compartments between the seat and the window. Personally, I am a big fan of those seats on the 747, since I love having a place to put my stuff that is easier to get at than the overhead bin but doesn't take up any legroom!
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