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US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:38 am

As of Feb., US will offer 16 daily mainline flights out of New Orleans. They recently added a 5th PHL nonstop to their new schedule which will start around 2/8/05. The breakdown will go something like this: 5 to CLT and PHL, 3 to DCA, 2 to LGA, and 1 to PIT.

By that time, Delta will be down to 15 mainline flights (10 to ATL, 3 to CVG, 2 to SLC).

Who would have thought that US Airways would surpass Delta in terms of mainline departures from MSY? Simply unreal.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:44 am

FOR A LIMITED TIME ONLY- 22 days US will overtake DL. Whoops, we forgot that US right now can only make it till mid-Feb
 
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:59 am

Yeah that's right. If the F/A's strike it will be the final nail in the coffin. Still, US overtaking DL down here is something else...regardless of how long it lasts.
 
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:04 am

Why is it surprising? 10 flights to it's hub (ATL) and a couple each to the other focus cities (SLC and CVG) isn't that impressive. I bet there are plenty of cities that aren't hubs that have more flights by Deltaflot (as though that was ever anything to get excited about), and cities that offer more destinations by a certain airline. I bet WN fly more frequently and to more cities than DL, from New Orleans.

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Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:05 am

USAir might take over in number of flights, but I'd bet the number of seats lead will stay with Delta. Don't they fly widebodys to ATL?
 
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:11 am

It is surprising from a purely historical standpoint. Delta has cut back MSY quite a bit over the past 10 years or so. But historically, they have always been the "premier" carrier down here (as they were in all of the South), even though airlines like AA and WN offer more daily flights.

DL will probably see more daily boardings than US because, as Quickmover said, they do offer 767 service MSY-ATL.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:42 am

Also don't forget that MSY-MCO is also operated by DL Connection. Does DL offer MSY-TPA or FLL? DL will still carry more passengers of course, DL tends to carry the highest number of passengers at most US non-hub airports.

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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:50 am

Looking at my Delta December 1979 timetable, I'm stunned by how many flights DL had out of MSY. Besides Atlanta, Memphis, Boston Chicago and maybe Fort Lauderdale it was the largest operation. DL flew nonstop from MSY to San Juan at the time.
 
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:12 am

Delta doesn't offer MSY-TPA or FLL service currently. They used to fly SLC-MSY-TPA with a B727-200 as late as 2001.

Besides SJU (which eventually saw L1011 service routing LAX-MSY-SJU), they flew nonstop to MBJ and CCS at one point.
 
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:37 am

I keep thinking MSY would be a great destination for Song, if DL expands Song as rumored. There are a lot of cities where Song already operates that could support service to MSY.
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:43 am

I believe this. I could hardly believe my eyes yesterday, early morning, when I saw 3 overnighted US Airbus' while driving my girlfriend back to the WN crew hotel. It actually shocked me. I am betting they need the capacity because of connections to their international flights (as Fred (ConcordeBoy), MSYTristar and I have long said someone is missing out by not flying non-stop here). US often offers decent deals with STA in Europe and they are considered a good choice by Europeans. Considering their love affair with RJs (one of the things killing them) the fact that this is all mainline service says something.
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:55 am

Quickmover brings up the point that needs to be remembered: while US may overtake DL in the number of flights in and out of MSY, they've got a long ways to go to catch up in the number of pax served here:

Pax stats for 2004 through September:

DL enplaned: 449,543; deplaned: 447,637; TOTAL: 897,180 (ranks 2nd)
US enplaned: 272,797; deplaned: 271,507; TOTAL: 544,304 (ranks 6th)

When regional carriers (Chautauqua, ASA, Comair, USAirways Express) figures are added, the disparity becomes even greater.

But, yes, DL service here is a mere shell of its former self. And, we'll all be watching to see if US keeps the level of service here that it will be attaining.

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Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:59 am

What are the rankings at MSY--I believe it is Southwest, Delta, Continental?
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:02 am

DL will have four mainline flights to CVG not three. So they will actually be tied with 16 mainline flights a piece.

With US's increased focus on point to point flying, I'm not surprised that they have increased flying to MSY. MSY produces a hefty volume of traffic...the only problem tends to be the yields.

 
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:08 am

Rankings for 2004 through September (does not include regionals):
1-Southwest
2-Delta
3-American
4-Continental
5-United
6-USAirways
7-Northwest
8-AirTran
9-JetBlue
10-Frontier
11-America West

Regionals:
1-ASA
2-Air Wisconsin
3-Chautauqua
4-Continental Express
5-Trans States
6-Skywest
and others

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Thu Nov 18, 2004 7:40 am

Is DL still planning to run MSY-JFK, with Song?
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Thu Nov 18, 2004 8:20 am

"...if DL expands Song as rumored."

It's not a rumor, it's a fact. Delta announced in September that Song will grow from 36 planes to 48. Whether MSY will be a new Song destination, though, remains to be seen.
 
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:00 am

US continues to talk as if they're planning on being alive in Feb. 2005. That's a bit ambitious, but maybe they know something the media is not reporting. Perhaps US has found a secret "sugar daddy" willing to come to their rescue.

IF US is still breathing in February, adding more flights in and out of MSY won't be enough to overtake DL in terms of number of passengers carried. As has been pointed out, DL is a Southern favorite. It does, in fact, have roots in Louisiana. Consumer confidence in US would have to significantly improve for it to surpass DL at MSY.

IMO, the Arizona Cardinals have a better chance of making the NFL playoffs this year than US does of overtaking DL at MSY.
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:22 pm

MSY-CVG will remain 4 mainline until March, when one 732 is replaced by one CR7.

 
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:24 am

If all the Skyteam carriers pax totals are added together, what would the ranking be then?
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:17 am

If all the Skyteam carriers pax totals are added together, what would the ranking be then?

I usually don't crunch numbers this early in the morning, but since you ask, and since I'm assuming you also want me to include Star Alliance ond OneWorld numbers, the rankings are as such:

1-Sky Team (DL+reg, CO+reg, NW)
2-Southwest (2nd, misses #1 by only 39,000 pax, tells you the muscle they have here)
3-Star (UA+reg, US+reg)
4-OneWorld (AA)
5-Air Tran
6-JetBlue
7-Frontier
8-America West

For those who care, if we don't do it by alliances, but lump the regionals with the mainlines, the ranking is still the same as that I posted in reply #14.

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Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:38 am

Of course, didn't WN just get something like 5 more gates? I would think that would easily bring them above all of SkyTeam, unless AF decides to send a 747 Big grin
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:00 am

AZjetgeek, I tend to agree with you. I haven't fully written off US like Burnsie28 and some others seem to have. At the same time, I'm not going to underestimate the immense challenges that face US in the coming months.

Do you think ultimately DL's transformation plan may call for a resurgance at MSY and other places in the south? Would they be more successful operating more frequency with smaller aircraft?

Southwest, who apparently has the better business model, is apparently eating everyone's lunch in MSY. Thank you for the facts Tom in NO.
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:08 am

Didn't BA used to fly into MSY in the past. I thought I read somewhere that they operated an L-1011 or maybe even a B747 into the airport in the late 80's early 70's???
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:10 am

N1120a:

WN is currently leasing 9 gates on concourse B (1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11), they also use 15 on occasion. The two other gates on B (10 and 15) are ex-CO gates that currently do not have any jetways on them, and are unused. The hope is that WN will eventually take them over, but I haven't seen anything in writing on that.

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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Fri Nov 19, 2004 2:24 am

BA flew MEX-MSY-LGW in 1982 with an L15. Three weekly flights.

Prior to that National flew MSY-AMS with a D10 back in '79.

Now all we see are European charters. This January we have 7 Europe charters scheduled thus far.
 
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:18 pm

BA flew MEX-MSY-LGW in 1982 with an L15. Three weekly flights.
Prior to that National flew MSY-AMS with a D10 back in '79.


National flew that route back in '78 as well.

They also flew to ORY around the same time.... the last time MSY had a scheduled nonstop to Paris  Crying
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:28 pm

I don't mean to open a can of worms, and I don't intend for this to be hostile but...

While the MSY forumers are reminiscing about past European services, is one in the near future conceivable? I don't have any doubt that they could fill the plane, but do a bunch of tourists equal profit? I guess BA if BA can fly high-density t7's to TPA, then something along those lines would be one of the possible ways to make such a service work. I'd like to hear some reasonable responses... Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:29 pm

Wow.........National Airlines,that brings back some memories. I remember as a kid flying (in 1975) from DFW(when it was really in the middle of nowhere) on DL's DC8s to MSY. Connecting to a National 727 there and taking a one stop to Panama City,Florida. Those were the days.

Yes,DL used to have a mini hub at MSY and Memphis too for a while.
 
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:33 pm

While the MSY forumers are reminiscing about past European services, is one in the near future conceivable?

YES!


...though, at this point, probably not be what we most want it to be: which is Air France (or really anyone) nonstop to Paris.

We came soooooo close in 2001, when DL nearly inaugurated DFW-MSY-CDG with a daily 763ER.... Air France having primarily killed that one for us as well  Yeah sure



Lack of scheduled feed could be a b!tch, fortunately the O&D is certainly there... but the question is yield. Filling up the steerage cabin would be absolutely no problem in just about any aircraft... but the limited number J/C seats outgoing could be.

We basically have the same advantages and disadvantages as Las Vegas... yet they've managed to create an impressive porfolio of scheduled intercontinental service: Virgin, BMI, JAL, etc.

At this point, we'd take what we can get. Our most promising chances for a scheduled Euro nonstop seem to be Martinair to Amsterdam, or Lufthansa to Frankfurt... those two being the Euro airlines to show most (if any) interest in a nonstop to MSY post 9/11.
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:45 pm

Wow, Fred, welcome back. You missed a massive post on 777s v. A340s.
I honestly think that O&D tourist traffic can sell some forward cabin seats. Sure, you wont put as many people up front from MSY as from LAX, but some rich tourists will fly up front, along with consular officials and the few business people who would fly the route. Considering how european carriers have been creating a 2 tiered fleet structure, with both high density and low density cabins, why not fill a plane with tourists and actually make money on it?
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:38 pm

You missed a massive post on 777s v. A340s.

...that's what you think  Big grin



some rich tourists will fly up front, along with consular officials and the few business people who would fly the route.

Thing is, would that be enough to consistently fill the 40+ premium seats, that most Euro intercon widebodies employ, to profitable/lucrative levels? Sad to say, but I dunnoooo. With no feed, I'd say thrice a week at max.  Yeah sure
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:29 am

Apparently some people in our route planning department in Denver have been hearing talk about AF opening up CDG-MSY before too long...three weekly flights is what has been mentioned. The aircraft that would be used is anyone's guess. It's too bad they got rid of their 763ER's, those would have been a perfect fit.

If this is indeed announced, the service could not start until next year at the earliest, when the rehabilitation of runway 10/28 is finished. A full flight from Europe can land on the 7,000ft. runway 1/19 with no problem (as Thomas Cook proved last March when 2 full 332's came in from Manchester), but taking off is a different story.
 
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:33 am

Apparently some people in our route planning department in Denver have been hearing talk about AF opening up CDG-MSY before too long

...though, I'm curious why they of all people would know  Laugh out loud




three weekly flights is what has been mentioned

And see, here's another aspect with makes it difficult to believe  Crying

AF doesn't like to run less-than-dailies on its USA/Canadian ops... in fact (though I'm not sure if this was greenlighted or still applicable at this point), they [once] planned to have a minimum DOUBLE daily to each of their USA stations by the end of next year. I wonder how this would affect PHL, MIA, and the upcoming DTW?
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:44 am

>AF doesn't like to run less-than-dailies on its USA/Canadian ops... in fact (though I'm not sure if this was greenlighted or still applicable at this point), they [once] planned to have a minimum DOUBLE daily to each of their USA stations by the end of next year. I wonder how this would affect PHL, MIA, and the upcoming DTW?<

I would venture to guess that the way they are realigining their fleet configuration that they will change equipment to suit the routes. Perhaps 2 A340s on MIA, 2 772ERs on PHL and one of each on DTW. I am still wondering what they would do with the CDG-LAX-PPT route, considering the loads and the fact that PPT is not the world's highest yielding destination, if they would fly one of the J/Y 744s in, with the other LAX flights being 772ER/773ER
Again though, you don't think AF could fly 1 J/Y A343 a day to MSY?
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:51 am

Again though, you don't think AF could fly 1 J/Y A343 a day to MSY?

There you go, Fred.....a question for you. Actually, I guess it kind of puts you in a box  Big grin..........an A340 serving MSY.....or nothing.

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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:51 am

Perhaps 2 A340s on MIA, 2 772ERs on PHL and one of each on DTW

MIA is far too high-yielding a market to bother with A340s.

PHL cant even support a single 772ER, let alone two.





you don't think AF could fly 1 J/Y A343 a day to MSY?

Think about what you just asked me.....  Yeah sure  Yeah sure
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:01 am

Also, when Delta Pulls out of DFW in Jan, MSY will lose 8 daily ASA CRJ's to DFW. This is about 400 seats, equivilent to two or three mainlines. I wonder if AA will add flights to DFW to pick up the slack.

Its unfortunate that DL is leaving DFW, because they were much more convienient than AA at DFW. All the Delta operations were in one terminal, making connections a breeze. Also, with all the CRJ's as opposed to MD-80's, boarding and unboarding was very fast, and the planeside baggage check was very convinent. When I'm flying delta I can get to the airport 30 minutes later, and get out of the airport earlier too.
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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:07 am

I had a discussion this morning with our marketing guru, and he's telling me that there's nothing European in the works, and any rumors of an impending service are just that, rumors. As we all know, for an airline to serve a market, there has to be a profitable market for them to serve, and right now, no international carriers are seeing that market here in New Orleans.

We'll continue to see charters in conjunction with the cruise ship lines that visit the Port here, in fact we have 2 JMC/Thomas Cook A330 charters coming at the end of January. What'd be nice is to have Virgin drop one of their boats in here, and combine with a little VS service.

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Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:09 am

*mumbles*

I hate you so much Tom...

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RE: US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:28 am

>you don't think AF could fly 1 J/Y A343 a day to MSY?

Think about what you just asked me..... <

I can't believe I asked it. Perhaps Gigneil has took over my body.
Ok, AF can have a sub fleet of 1 772ER configured J/Y for MSY. Does that make you feel better Big grin?

Actually, Tom's VS suggestion is not bad. They seem to do well with vacation markets by using Virgin Vacations and their appeal to younger people, along with their obvious cool to attract people with more money. Then again, that woulud mean an A340, as I don't think they would send a 747 to MSY, and Fred might have a heart attack.
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