aa777jr
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AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:50 am

Why hasn't AA ordered any 777-300 and just use 777-223ER?


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AA777jr
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RE: AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:53 am

While I don't know the answer it is a very good question. My guess would be for financial reasons and so they can have more frequent flights. It is the same reason I guess as the 744.
 
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RE: AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:56 am

You can ask the same question of UA, CO, and DL.

The answer: They didn't need it.  Big grin
 
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RE: AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:56 am

In 2000, AA ran an in-depth diagnostic on the use of Trent-powered 773As on its ORD & JFK to LHR runs.

They decided against this as they determined that they could not fill the aircraft (to yield) on a yearround basis.



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RE: AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:59 am

Same reason I haven't ordered fifteen Rolls Royces and a Rolex.

NO MONEY

American don't have any spare cash and are barely outside bankruptcy. Who in their right mind at either AA or the banks would agree to taking on a fresh load of debt for a company which barely missed Chapter 11?

The 744 doesn't fit their fleet plans either. AA's business model is based on the Big Twins, which fit nicely into their operation. They have no need for a 747 anymore. Maybe when their business is stable and debt levels allow, they can start looking at the 773 and 7E7 for the future, but for now their fairly new 772ER and 767 fleets are the backbone of the operation.
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RE: AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:56 am

I think the 772ER's do perfectly well for them in terms of yield managment..and its not as if their financial situation is the best either....
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RE: AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:02 pm

Interesting point though. Not only do they (and DL and CO) not have any 747s, but they don't have any 773s. The market route structure is certainly fragmented.
 
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RE: AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:19 pm

I've heard in the past AA wants the 772LR, but not with the GE engines, which is the only engine offered on it. AA wants the RR on them first before they'll order it. Of course we all know that's not going to happen until the money situation improves. AFAIK the 773 is just too big of an aircraft for AA's needs. Regards.
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RE: AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:19 pm

I think the 773 with some engines AA would like could do very well on JFK-LHR, or ORD-NRT, look at the amount of flights per day just on JFK-LHR for AA.

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RE: AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:37 pm

Regardless of the money situation, AA doesn't need the 777-300. Service to LHR and LGW is scheduled on the model that business flyers like the option of multiple flights, so anything bigger than the -200 would be hard to fill.

Even buying just a few -300s doesn't fit in with the plan to have fewer aircraft types.

For AA to have any interest in the-300, two things have to happen. First, AA would have to increase its flying to Asia. Even if it starts service to China and/or Hong Kong, that isn't the amount to justify buying larger airplanes.

Second, AA would want the -300ER, with RR engines. My understanding is that GE has an exclusive deal with Boeing for the -300ER. I don't know if this deal is for a specific duration or for the production run of the -300ER, but if Boeing only offers GE engines, AA isn't buying.
 
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RE: AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:44 pm

I believe that AA looked at the 773 before Sept. 11 though so they were in a better financial situation when they would have ordered the plane. I also too heard intrest in the 772LR but that they didn't have enough money to even put PTV's in their 763's so how would they have enough money to buy a $300 million dollar plane??
 
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RE: AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:48 pm

Maybe I've missed postings before, but what is the reason GE has exclusive engine supply deals for the 773ER and 777LR?
 
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RE: AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:56 pm

Maybe I've missed postings before, but what is the reason GE has exclusive engine supply deals for the 773ER and 777LR?

Step 1, boeing executive calls up GE executive and they go out on a date. Next thing you know, the Boeing executive becomes the GE executive's sex slave, and in that relationship, the Boeing executive gives the GE executive anything he/she wants.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:56 pm

>Maybe I've missed postings before, but what is the reason GE has exclusive engine supply deals for the 773ER and 777LR? <

Boeing struck them a deal to take a big part in the development costs, in exchange for being the sole engine supplier. They also did this with the turbofan 737s and CFM
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RE: AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:05 pm

I don't know if this deal is for a specific duration or for the production run of the -300ER

the latter
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RE: AA And The 773?

Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:19 pm

Step 1, boeing executive calls up GE executive and they go out on a date. Next thing you know, the Boeing executive becomes the GE executive's sex slave, and in that relationship, the Boeing executive gives the GE executive anything he/she wants.

Dude,

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RE: AA And The 773?

Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:12 am

ConcordeBoy is correct about not being able to fill a 773ER on a year-round basis. In the winter months, sometimes AA offers JFK-LHR round-trip for as low as $198 just to fill the seats in coach on a 772. The frequencies on the JFK-LHR and ORD-LHR routes are not for capacity reasons, but to meet business fliers' needs for flights at different times of day.

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