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United Long Haul At JFK And SEA

Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:31 am

United offers long haul from JFK-LHR and JFK/SEA-NRT ... all of which are non-hub airports. With United in Chapter 7 these days, how have the loads on these flights been. Do you think JFK/SEA will go down the way Miami did with UA's long haul routes? Will long haul's from these airports go away with the reorganization plans??

On the contrary, do you know of any plans to INCREASE service from these airports?

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RE: United Long Haul At JFK And SEA

Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:36 am

FYI, its Chapter 11, not Chapter 7, which is liquidation.
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RE: United Long Haul At JFK And SEA

Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:42 am

UA somehow survives on the JFK-LHR route despite being less visible in the market and providing less capacity than both AA and BA. I'm not sure as to VS's capacity but they are better thought of by most than UA is on that route as well.
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RE: United Long Haul At JFK And SEA

Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:47 pm

United's presence at JFK has never been very large, but it was more extensive in years past with nonstop service to NRT, LHR, SEA, LAX, SFO, EZE, GRU, IAD, BOS, and weekend service to SJU, and a briefly lived non stop flight from JFK to HKG in April-August 2001.

United today operates nonstop flights to LAX and SFO and these flights are being switched from Boeing 767-200's and the occasional 767-300 to 757 aircraft configured for "PS" or Premium Service.

United operates two daily nonstop flights to London/Heathrow with one a 777 and the other a 767-300. That's down from three daily (there used to be a daylight flight with a 767-300) and an EWR-LHR flight that was axed a year ago. These routes generally perform quite well mostly due to a loyal business following (a number of major NY and London corporations use UA as their preferred carrier). Also, UA discounts this route heavily and often has slightly lower fares than BA, VS, and AA which dominate the market.

NRT service continues, daily with a 777. HKG was dropped after just six months. It started with a 747-400 and was downgraded to a 777 before being dropped just before 9/11/01.

EZE and GRU were each served daily, with 767-300's (EZE was a 777 for a very short time) but the routes were transferred to IAD, where UA has a much bigger presence and better feed, and therefore less dependency on O&D traffic.

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RE: United Long Haul At JFK And SEA

Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:16 am

It started with a 747-400 and was downgraded to a 777 before being dropped just before 9/11/01.

I don't think United ever operated the 777 (nor could theirs make it) on JFK-HKG.....For a while their JFK-NRT flight continued on to HKG.
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