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Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:02 am

Okay, you have to read my points before you answer.

The Delta a/c in the lower left is a ______? I know, you're thinking, "That's easy, a DC-8." But wait! It doesn't exactly look like a DC-8, I posted another DL DC-8 at the closest angle possible so that you can compare. It isn't a Convair, because it doesn't have the distinctive black nose cone. To me, it sorta looks like a 707, but did DL operate a one-off, or something like that. . .I am unaware of such an event.

Points:

1. It looks like a Boeing nose.

2. The silver belly ends to far short of the nose (where a DL DC-8 silver belly would be normally).

3. The emergency door behind the cockpit is to close to the glass to be a DC-8.

Thoughts?
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Phot

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:06 am

hmmm.... it COULD be a CV-880, they were retired well before 1980 though... very hard to say... but my gut says its a DC-8, maybe 50 series..
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:07 am

Looks like a CV-880.

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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:09 am

I guess they're both DC8's.

The nose has those distinctive DC8 inlets
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:10 am

Boeing 720

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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:10 am

I'm a bit confused here. Both the photos show DC-8's. Are you talking about a different picture?

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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:11 am

The Fin/Rudder outline tells me its a Convair.
 
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:14 am



It sure looks like a 720 or 707 to me...although I don't believe DL ever operated the type (no hits in photo db)
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:16 am


The Fin/Rudder outline tells me its a Convair.

In December of 1980? Sounds a bit late for it being a Convair.
 
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:16 am

I'd agree, the nose does look a little unusual, but it's no doubt a DC-8. I don't "get" points 2 and 3, but obviously some work was done to add the forward cargo door.

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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:16 am

Trent,

He's talking about the Flying Tigers DC-8 picture. But the aircraft in
question is the Delta DCBoeing-720880 ( Smile) stored? in the background.

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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:16 am

I think he's talking about the jet in the lower left hand corner of the flying tigers photo.....
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:17 am

Both are DC8-51s ,you can just make out the air inlets near the nose
 
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:18 am

Sorry, its me being stupid again.. LOL

The aircraft in the background looks like a convair. The fin is the tell tail sign I think.

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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:20 am

Some replies to some clarifications:



Did Delta have 720s? I can't recall.

And the CV-880. . .well, it just doesn't look that way to me, and it looks like it has eyelid windows, the 880 didn't:
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And, Trent900: If you enlarge the first photo, you will see the a/c in question in the lower left.

Again, I might just looking too hard.
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:20 am

[Sorry - ignore this; I was referring to the Flying Tigers aircraft (also in my prior post). The nose does look a little atypical on *that* one, however]


Wow, a bunch of you jumped in on this!

Folks, it's a DC-8. Look at the following:

-Engines
-Windows
-Tail profile
-Tail-strike device


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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:30 am

Looking at the picture more closely it is a DC-8. The air inlets are just visible at the nose. I think the larger fin is due to the blurred background as the camera's focused the the landing tiger.

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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:40 am

I think it is a DC-8. I don't believe it is a Convair. Besides the fact that they were no longer in the DL fleet by 1980, if you look at the pic below, you will see that the DL Convairs had much more black paint on the nose than the DC-8s do. The nose of the plane in the Flying Tigers photograph is painted like a DC-8.


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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:42 am

My apologies for not reading carefully - I get it now. Look at these for comparison:


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The rudder, plus the dihedral in the horizontal stabilizer are tell-tale indicators. Also, I think you are mistaking the widget for the door.
 
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:46 am

Rest assured that they are DC8s. Look at the eyebrow windows. Standard Douglas Eyebrows. The engines are JT3Ds
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:48 am

A/C in the lower left hand of your top photo looks like a Boeing 720 I'd bet. Maybe some differences in paint scheme, but cockpit windshields, wing, engines, tail - they all say Boeing 720.
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:48 am

Didn't know they painted the Convair's nose that all that black. Sorry folks
 
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:51 am

About the silver and the nose - Delta picked up a few birds from Pan Am, so possibly a minimal repainting was performed in some cases.


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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:13 am

There is no way it could be a Boeing 720:


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The ventral fin of a 720 has a radio antenna. VERY distinctive feature - this is how I learned at an early age to distinguish a DC-8 from a 707/720.

In comparing the size of the fuselage of the picture, there is no comparison:


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The lengths, engine size, and ventral fin are completely different.
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:15 am

"Rest assured that they are DC8s. Look at the eyebrow windows. Standard Douglas Eyebrows. The engines are JT3Ds."

The JT3Ds were not unique to only the DC-8. The 720 also had these engines. But, I agree on a different point, noting that the a/c in question looks as though it is equipped with JT3Ds.
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:26 am

Aircraft is a DC-8. Look at the air inlets under the nose, a classic feature of all DC-8s.
 
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:39 am

"The ventral fin of a 720 has a radio antenna. VERY distinctive feature - this is how I learned at an early age to distinguish a DC-8 from a 707/720."


PanAm747:

What you learned about how to tell the 720 apart from the DC-8 is a common mistake for spotters when they are starting in this hobby. Not all 720s had an antennae on the tail.
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Also, in terms of your "fuselage" comparison statement. . .are you comparing the Flying Tigers DC-8, or the DL a/c in the background? Just verifying.
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:53 am

From a guy who is old enough to remember DC8's when they still flew for alot of regularly scheduled airlines........................they ARE DC8's!! Looks like a -51 and a -61 per photo captions.

Odd.................alot of so called "experts" here seemed to be stumped and not sure of themselves! This is non-typical A.Net.........LOL

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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:07 am

Can't be a 707 or 720. We never operated them. Convairs were long gone by 1980 so it must be a DC-8.
 
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Phot

Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:25 am

****NOTE****

Just to clarify - the mystery aircraft is NOT the central aircraft in the photo.

The poster is refering to blurry aircraft in the BOTTOM LEFT CORNER.

I just had to clarify that as 28 replies into the post, some people are still not reading correctly!

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My 2 cents is that it's a DC-8 with the rudder deflected, making the tail look bigger, a la CV 880. If you look closlely, the angle of the black part of the widget on the tail changes, further proving the rudder is deflected.
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:31 am

This is an amusing thread. Starting with the less than precise first message...

He's talking about the aircraft in the lower left background of the flying tigers DC-8 photo.

It's a early 707 or 720. Most likely a 720. Question is, assuming the date on the photo is correct, what is a 720 doing in a Delta scheme in 1980? Movie or TV role? Delta training aircraft? Is this to late to be a Western 720 repainted?
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:38 am

I agree that the Delta jet must be a DC-8, but some of the so-called recognition features are weird. "The ventral fin....has a radio antenna" Absolute nonsense. Anyway, you can't even see a ventral fin on the Delta plane. What looks like a ventral fin on the Tigers DC-8 is actually a tail bumper I think. As to comparison of fuselage size, I see no difference between the Delta and the ones shown for comparison.

I think that even after 28 replies some people are still looking at the Flying Tigers DC-8 instead of the Delta plane, despite many reminders. Some people evidently don't know what a ventral fin is.
 
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:46 am

The Delta DC8-51 in the lower left hand corner is a Delta DC8-51....

I think we have been seeing too many twin jets to know the difference!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could tell it was a DC8 at first glance.....Why is everyone having so much trouble???

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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:52 am

Why is everyone having so much trouble???

Because the original message was poorly worded and has folks looking at the wrong aircraft....
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:59 am

IS THIS POST A JOKE!!?? PLEASE tell me you people are not seriously debating what type of aircraft this is!

IT IS A FREAKIN' DC8 PURE AND SIMPLE!

I mean there is not a SINGLE thing that should make someone wonder otherwise.

And anyone who said "looks like a 720", unless your profile says your in the 13-16 age group, you need to have your eyes checked and do some aircraft recognition review courses, PRONTO...

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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:04 am

Vanguard737,

Read all the posts before making attacks......
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Phot

Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:24 am

It is definately something of the DC-8 series. Delta never had the 707 or 720, they flew the DC-8s and 9s. As a previous post mentioned, all of the Convairs were gone by 1980 (actually they only lasted a few years in servvice from what I know).
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:43 am

It's a early 707 or 720. Most likely a 720. Question is, assuming the date on the photo is correct, what is a 720 doing in a Delta scheme in 1980? Movie or TV role? Delta training aircraft? Is this to late to be a Western 720 repainted?

None of the above. In fact Western's 3 720s were N720V, N720W and N708 which were later registered as N301AS, N302AS and N303AS. Two of them were out of the fleet at the time of this picture (DEC80) and the third (N720V) left the fleet in 1984 well before their merger with DL.

If one simply sees that picture in large size, the tell tale DC-8 nostrils are clearly visible as also the typically DC-8 fin. No scope of confusion whatsoever. As of date we'd in fact call it a Boeing DC-8 Big grin

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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:57 am

I worked for a fueling company directly behind that shot,and access to the ramp took you right by Delta's hangar,its definitely a DC-8,trust me,as i was there 1972-1979. Two of Deltas old CV-880's went to Lanica (Nicauragua) which I also fueled every morning at 0800.


 
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:32 am

The Delta jet in the BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER is definitely a Delta DC-8, there is no question, just look at the thing, it's a DC-8, not a 707 or Convair, sorry, but a DC-8! Like gee I wonder about the people who don't take the time to read and think we are all guessing at the Flying Tigers DC-8F that is the subject of the photograph! READ THE POST CAREFULLY NEXT TIME!
The little blurry aircraft is a DC-8 there is nothing in there that leads me to believe otherwise, it friggin LOOKS like a DC-8!

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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:04 am

Damn Vanguard737, go take some Ritalin or something! Everyone's entitled to an opinion!
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:14 am

I cropped it down and enlarged it a bit. If someone has a site than can host I'll send it to ya to post.
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:21 am

Vanguard737 summed it up correctly. Any veteran spotter can easily identify it as a DC-8. A novice youngster might not, however.
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:29 am

"Because the original message was poorly worded and has folks looking at the wrong aircraft...."

In no way did I intend for the original post to be "poorly worded" but I can see now that I could have given a more detailed description of what I'm looking at. Sorry about that. . .I should have clarified.

As for all the "...it's a freakin' DC-8.." statements and "And anyone who said "looks like a 720", unless your profile says your in the 13-16 age group, you need to have your eyes checked and do some aircraft recognition review courses, PRONTO..."

Well, first of all, sir, take a breath and relax. This topic isn't here so you can call out anyone that sees something odd or interesting. . .part of why it's fun to see what everyone else sees besides yourself.

As for my eyes? They are usually fine, thanks for your abundant concern. I'm definately not in the 13-16 age group, but I'll take that one as a compliment.





As for everyone else, thanks for your guesses, info, and bits of history. . .exactly why I am a poster on A.net.

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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:32 am

Delta had two different models of the 8. All the cvr 880,s were retired by that...Dl had the strectched 8 as well
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:52 am

Now, more to the point, can anyone verify the c/s differance? A PanAm or even a UA acft quickly painted to DL would explain it, possibly a lease. Before you flame me I admit I do not know what happened to the PA DC8s nor the time frame. I'm just looking for a reason for that front end scheme.
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:52 am

DIA,

A good mystery you found for us to solve! Thanks!
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Phot

Sun Nov 21, 2004 8:18 am

Notice the air intakes under the cockpit. Thats means its a DC 8, pure and simple.That is a major characteristic of the eight.
The 880's were a smaller four engine plane with the scoops.
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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 8:26 am

I'd also have to say that it's a DC8-51 in the same c/s as the second photo. I blew the 2nd shot up and compared it after making the first smaller. Perhaps pixilation in the digital file photo results in any perceived widening of the tail.


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RE: Identify This Older Delta Jet A/c In This Photo...

Sun Nov 21, 2004 8:39 am

I noticed on the cvr 880 by bob gerad there is a long fairing on top of the 880 what was that ive never seen that
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