futureb6capt
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Starting An Airline

Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:04 am

Alright, theoretically speaking, what would you need in order to start a FAA part 121 scheduled carrier. What are the steps and certifications and such? Can the FAA deny one if that someone doesn't seemed experience or well suitable for the job, but has the cash?

Just curious!
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RE: Starting An Airline

Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:44 am

I think you would need a trustee who would do the paperwork requirements for FAA & DOT certification procedures. Aircraft maintenance & flight crew would be the MOST difficult part to start up an airline, IMO. Legal (airtrustworthy and financial issues) is next, again in IMO. Just my .02 cents.
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RE: Starting An Airline

Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:48 am

The FAA can deny you if they don't like what you are wearing that day. You need cash and a familiar face. After that come all the troubles.
 
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RE: Starting An Airline

Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:04 pm

The FAA can deny you if they don't like what you are wearing that day. You need cash and a familiar face. After that come all the troubles.

Correct. Was it the FAA or DOT that wouldn't let Frank Lorenzo run an airline again?
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RE: Starting An Airline

Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:09 pm

By the time Lorenzo was well into his "killing spree" he was well known and taking over existing airlines. He didn't have to start them up in order to run them into the ground.
 
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RE: Starting An Airline

Sun Nov 21, 2004 1:17 pm

To start an airline in the US you need two things. First you need to obtain a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity. This is issued by the DOT. Second you need to meet the technical requirements in Part 121. This is known as OP SPECS and is issued by the FAA.

Many things are considered in the Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity. You must show that the airline is fit, willing, and able to provide the service. On the financial side, you must show that you can operate for the first 90 days without any revenue. You must also show enough capital for five years of operations. You must show that your management team is qualified and capable, and that your aircraft choice and routes are compatible with your plans. Finally, you must show that the airline's owners meet the citizenship requirements.

For OP SPECS you need to put together a comprehensive Operating Manual, Training Manual, and Maintenance Manual. After these are approved by the FAA, the qualifications of the airline's senior technical staff will be examined. The FAA will check aircraft histories and look at individual maintenance programs. If you outsource maintenance, the maintenance provider must be FAA certified for the types of aircraft you operate. Finally, you crews must be current, or training to be current in the aircraft types you plan to operate.

I hope this helps answer some of your questions.
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futureb6capt
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RE: Starting An Airline

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:07 am

Cool, one question though. So how did Neeleman get the money he needed to start Morris Air...he's a college dropout with little indsutry experience...has ADD. Where did he get that money!? Is it because he was President and the CEO raised it. I don't know, any thoughts? I mean, Neeleman wasn't a fimiliar face and/or have lots of cash!


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RE: Starting An Airline

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:46 am

FutureB6Capt:

June Morris, who was actually the founder of Morris Air, might have a word or three to say about that.

Sadly, she is dead, and can't answer your question.

So it is that the legend lives that Mr. Neeleman "started" Morris Air.

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