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EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:50 am

Heard rumours that easyJet have applied for slots to operate NCL-MAN 2 x daily, with a new base at MAN opening?
Any truth?
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:54 pm

I heard that they applied for the following MAN slots for 2005:

3x Amsterdam
1x Basle
1x Dortmund
1x Rimini
1x Palma
1x Malaga
1x Alicante
2x Newcastle
3x Belfast
1x Nice
1x Madrid
1x Bilbao

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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:33 pm

Newcastle!! Thats gotta be the shortest domestic hop in England by the 737 or 319? However where have you heard this? The U2 MAN rumours have been around for a little while now.
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:24 pm

Would be good if they could do at MAN-STN or MAN-LGW route, could go into direct competition with Jet2.
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:14 pm

Well it's bye, bye, Baby at MAN if easyJet do start all those services listed by RJ100.

MAN-NCL, what an amazingly short flight that would be!

I agree that MAN could really benefit from a low-cost service between MAN and STN to give access to the vast low-cost network there, though a STN link may fit better into FR's plans given their larger presence there.
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gkirk
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:15 pm

Read it on Pprune. Apparently a morning service and an evening service using a MAN based a.c
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:18 pm

Intra EU Slot destinations are not usually the destinations that the airline chooses to fly!

They choose random slots to confuse the competition.

With no dominant low cost carrier at Manchester, the airport is still Easy's for the taking.

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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:28 pm

NCL-MAN would just be a positioning flight which is upgraded to sell seats, like the old LPL-LTN service.

Sold for buttons as the aircraft was doing that route anyway.

BestWestern, MAN now has Air Berlin and Jet2 with reasonable service levels (Jet2 is already posting notices for increased flying, their latest is to take on BA on MAN-LGW). Easyjet is going to find problems with MAN when it comes to gate availability, as there is only a limited amount of suitable space. Pier B on T1 is the ideal location for lowcosts as the inner bays are 737/319 capable and don't require an airbridge to be attached.

Manchester to Newcastle might appeal to those who haven't got time to ride the rails or sit on the high level car park we call the M62, but it will be a tough route for a genuine service. If it's a positioning flight for NCL based crews then that's a scheduling issue, but I would have expected Easyjet to run the proposed MAN flights as an extension of the LPL operation (at first anyway).

BMIBaby is still hammering away with advertising in the MAN catchment area, which is one plus in their favour. But then again so are Easyjet (for LPL) and Jet2....and Easyjet is a MUCH more high-profile brand.
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:36 pm

Whitehatter... i think its fair to say that both Jet and Baby havent yet managed to dominate the Manchester LCC market (in a similar way to easy dominating LPL and LGW)

This is probably easyJets last chance to get into Manchester and build up a base. They have been looking at Manchester for about five years now BTW.
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:38 pm

Ryanair are expected to announce a LPL base tomorrow
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:50 pm

Jet2 are only just getting started at MAN, but I think they will do pretty well. They have clearly defined targets and a couple of unique routes, as well as a strategy of advertising BEFORE the planes start arriving.

EZY wanted into MAN before they eventually settled on Liverpool. It was the higher airport charges that turned them off. Now they can see the benefits and market gap, so it's the right time to try it if gate space can be found.

There are routes such as those which Monarch Scheduled fly, which can be cherry picked too. I tried booking people on their TFS service (for example) a few times this year and Monarch were flying full. MAN also has budget travellers who might provide a potential userbase, namely people coming off longhaul flights who have used the Internet to make their own travel arrangements. Getting off a DL, MH, SQ or AA flight and arriving into an EZY base might attract the independent travellers who are increasing in number and recognise the EZY brand.
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 8:08 pm

If easyJet open a MAN base where does this leave LPL?

Can easyJet profitably run two seperate hubs with 25miles of each other going to similar destinations?

As easyJet is reliant upon a large number of passengers from the Manchester region to fill these flights. A few years back easyJet had to commission a direct bus service to Liverpool Airport from Manchester City Centre due to the lack of connections between the airport and Manchester.
 
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 8:18 pm

No reason why not. LPL might lose a few flights, but that region alone has a catchment which would find LPL easier to get to then MAN.

Liverpool and Manchester aren't really that much different than Edinburgh and Glasgow when it comes to distance between them. LPL also has other benefits such as cheaper parking for travellers and the local traffic to Ireland.
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 8:39 pm

Why did easyJet cease selling seats on LPL-LTN? If it was essentially a positioning flight then it wouldn't matter if the yields were low and I understood loads were quite good.
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:32 pm

BMIBaby won't last if this happens. They'll slowly disappear as they are at LGW in Jan 2005
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:34 pm

Capital146, the LPL-LTN wasnt a positioning flight. Loads were good but yields were not, or they could make more money on another route or something like that
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:51 pm

Of course EZY can succeed with two bases within a close proximity to each other, just look at LTN and STN, and to some extent LGW, three major bases all located reasonably close to each other. I would love to see EZY at MAN in the near future. I do think that the NCL service would be a none starter, surely there isnt enough demand for this kind of service.

When i was doing my dissertation on MAN, i was told that there was a certain number of new airlines the management wanted to attract to MAN, and i think they are still a few short of reaching their target. Having EZY at MAN would do wonders for the airport.

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gkirk
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:54 pm

Apparently no a/c based at MAN. All operating in from other bases on "w" flights
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:02 pm

GKirk - the rumours I've read do indicate a/c at MAN - 5 of them. Whether this is true or not remains to be seen.

the NCL route could potentially be succesful - the two cities are quite far apart to drive, with a journey time of 3 hours plus, so perhaps there is a niche there. Whether that niche is big enough for a 737/A319 is probably the biggest concern!
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:13 pm

Mhodgson, just rumours that I've read on other sites  Big grin
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:17 pm

Air Kilore (spelling?) using to operate MAN-NCL a few times daily using J31s or J41s. Then T3 did. Neither operated for long, mind. I'm not sure whether that was down to too higher prices, easy train rides, badly-timed flights, or what.
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:19 pm

Pe@rson, yuor thinking of MAN-MME  Big grin
Gill Airways(Short 360s) and European Airways (J31s) Are the most recent operators on NCL-MAN
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:22 pm

I don't recall flights from MAN to Teesside!
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:25 pm

MME-MAN was definately Air Kilroe.

T3 haven't operated MAN-NCL in the past, it is as GKirk has stated.
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:26 pm


Air Kilroe 's MME service was tied into an ICI agreement; at one stage in the late 1980s, they were flying no less than 5 times per day using Be200s. However, they did also get some other passengers, including a particular person who lived in the Manchester area whose job was in and around the Teesside area.

What we must also remember that this could be a red herring route i.e. another service may use the slots reserved e.g. BD's slot requests a few years ago which materialised into bmibaby slots in reality!

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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:02 am

I hope those who scorned this news over 6 months ago will now eat humble pie.....  Yeah sure

Rick767 and I mentioned all this ages ago.

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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:37 am

I did see MAN-NCL a couple of years ago on sundays with BA, but I don't know if it was scheduled or not. I saw this flight for quite a few weeks. NCL-MAN would be a great idea, a lot of people travel to MAN and LGE/LHR for international flights that NCL just don't have.
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 3:48 am

Manchester - Newcastle has been tried on a number of occasions in the past by various airlines. Mercury, Dan-Air, Eastern, but these carriers had always charged a premium fare. Unfortunately the majority of companies that I have had dealings with were not prepared to pay the price and so travellers went by road.

Maybe, IF easyJet do start the route they will be able to stimulate a market that definately exists.

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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 4:39 am

Alcregular...ah yes forgot about that...the old Sunday BA CitiExpress MAN-NCL-OSL-NCL-MAN route. ON weekdays it operated MAN-OSL-NCL-OSL-MAN.

David_itl...I knew I Recognised you on another site  Big grin

BlueShamu330s...good luck with the 346s  Big grin
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 4:57 am

Have fun on the 346 Shamu you lucky g*t!

A few more years P1ing it on the 319 and I might just try and join you!

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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 4:58 am

Rick, if you get back into BY rumours are you may get into the 332  Big grin
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:04 am

What if they won't have me back?!  Laugh out loud
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:08 am

Ah yes...forgot about the incident about you and the sheep in Samos  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:16 am

Sounds like a great idea to me. Let's see some nice prices, and I'll be off to MAN each time I visit NCL...  Big thumbs up

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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:18 am

Nah that was nothing, replacing the Captain's seat upholstery after I floated that 752 to abeam the viewing park on MAN 24R was far more costly for the company.  Big grin
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:01 am

no way, its only just under 3 hours direct city centre to city centre on the train MAN-NCL. If it is a repositioning flight then it could sure bring in soem extra money, but as a stand alone service, i doubt it. By the time i board the flight to MAN, I could be half way accross the Pennines!Plus the trains are regular, and in my experience have been reliable
 
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:39 pm

I agree, if EasyJet have hopes of the flight becoming a success, they'll have to lower the ticket price to compete with the train service.

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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:43 pm

Another thing is MEGABUS, you can get tickets from £1 (plus 50p booking fee), althought slower than both plane and train, its sure is mega cheap!
 
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:47 pm

A saver return ticket Manchester - Newcastle purchased on the day of travel costs 49.60 GBP and the journey usually takes between 2:40h to 3:10h.
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:55 pm

The National Express bus is from £15 return but it takes 6 hours from Sunderland to Manchester Airport. I've been on that bus and it's a bloody nightmare. A lot of people I know would like to fly down to MAN but have to take the bus or train.
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:13 pm

6 hours? No chance of a daytrip...  Smile

Wouldn't travel through Sunderland in any case...  Big grin

Anyway, about the trains, what's with the one that goes from manchester to Necastle via Leeds, Druham, York (couple more there), Midlesbrough, Sunderland, Scotland, Tahiti, and (if lucky) end up in Newcastle...

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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:18 pm

Glad to hear U2 might start up at MAN - I hope MAN-NCE is more that one daily (that means the schedules will suck, a la BRS service).
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RE: EasyJet NCL-MAN?!?!

Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:24 pm

JPG - U2 flies BRS-NCL thrice-daily Mon-Fri + Sun and twice-daily on Sat. Hardly bad!
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:26 pm

Pe@rson, NCE = Nice. Newcastle = NCL  Big grin

Indeed NCL-BRS is 3 dailY, as now is NCL-BFS.

MAN-NCE would be a daily service
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:31 pm

LOL. Yes, I realise NCE = Nice. I just quickly glossed over the post and assumed it was NCL, as that is what has been discussed (and MME).
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