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Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:18 am

German newspapers report Iberia to be in talks with Airbus and Boeing about a replacement of the MD-87/88 fleet. Both have already made offers. No timeframe for selection was mentioned.
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:22 am

Perhaps with the 4 over wing exit A319 in preparation for single class no frills services?
 
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:46 am

They're talking to Boeing??? That must be a joke or a typo. I hope Boeing isn't stupid to waste T&E budgeting on a new sales campaign with IB. It'd be nice to see Airbus win one at full catalog prices.
 
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:49 am

Wingman

Any airframe manufacturer winning one at full catalogue price would be nice!
 
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:52 am

The question is how fast can Airbus make production line allocation available for IB to buy probably 15-20 A319's.
 
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:02 am

Is the A319 production line getting close to its maximum output rate of aircraft then?

Perhaps a B717/MD-95 may suit?
 
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:03 am

well its almost certain they will go for Airbus, since they have a big fleet of A320's and still receiving A321's as an 757 replacement. Although there is a chance they will go for boeing, they proved that they won't go for an All airbus fleet since they just leased 2 747-400's...


 
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:12 am

I think this news is a rumour. The oldest MD-87 is from 1990 (14 years old) and I don't think IB can replace it in a short time. MD-88's from the former Aviaco were, more or less, delivered on same time. (1989-90)

But if IB changes it, for sure will be replaced by other A-319/20/21. Another thing is Iberia-Regional (Air Nostrum) which maybe MIGHT? see a B-717 or A-318 like a "candidate" for some routes.
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:14 am

Here are some more details:

By Thomas Mulier
Nov. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Iberia Lineas Aereas de Espana SA,
Spain's largest airline, is considering replacing its mid-range
fleet after 2005, once the upgrade of its long-range aircraft is
finished.
Airplane makers have made presentations to Iberia, Jaime
Perez, Iberia's spokesman said in a phone interview today.
Formal talks haven't begun, he added.
El Mundo newspaper reported that Iberia received offers
from Boeing Co. and Airbus SAS to replace the fleet. The order
might be worth 1 billion euros ($1.3 billion), the newspaper
said, citing unidentified industry sources.
``This is an ongoing process, it's normal that they make
presentations,'' Perez said. ``We don't yet have any date fixed
to start negotiations.''


So no decision until after upgrade of longe range fleet. That said, it should not prevent an order early next year to secure delivery slots. The timing works well in that it coincides with A32X Production Increase and the Manufacturers have already made initial presentations. I'd be interested to see how Boeing approached this after the A346/B773ER Competition and with the large number of A32X already in service with IB surely Commonality works in Airbus' favour for this order.

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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:37 am

Hey

Thank god!! Those mad dogs make so much noise when flying over Madrid :LOL:

no no, just kidding. I love those mad-dogs, and would hate to see them go.


Maybe they should just put there MDs into there new "Express" airline which has yet to start.
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:11 am


Given that they have a lot of Airbus A32X already I suspect that they will stay with Airbus.

If Boeing decide not to bid, it can only increase the likelihood.

Will Embraer be bidding.
 
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:33 am

IF they go for boeing,what plane would they get?
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:36 am

After Boeing came out after the A346 loss and said what they did about Iberia, I would be surprised if Iberia even visited Chicago at all this time around.
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:43 am

Good news indeed!

I flew and IB M87 & M88 last week,both were very tatty and well worn machines.

The interiors of both really needed a good refurb.
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:52 am

At a certain point there were rumours that Iberia would "donate" part of the MD87 fleet to Air Nostrum, but I don´t think ANS would be to keen to take them over and prefers to get new CRJ700´s or Q400´s from Canada instead.
 
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:34 am

I agree with others in that I'd like to see Boeing refuse to make an offer to IB. I think Iberia management has already shown in the past that their only purpose in asking for an offer from Boeing is to try to get Airbus to come down on price, despite public statements that they don't intend to rely on a single supplier. Then again, it would be amusing to see them low-ball an offer to Iberia to try to stick it to Airbus' on its profit margin for the order. Iberia ordering Boeing narrowbodies is about as likely as Southwest ordering 250 A320's.
 
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:57 am

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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:02 am

Then again, it would be amusing to see them low-ball an offer to Iberia to try to stick it to Airbus' on its profit margin for the order. Iberia ordering Boeing narrowbodies is about as likely as Southwest ordering 250 A320's.

And AerBerlin ordered 60 A320 when they were an established 737NG customer... Boeing might be in the mood to reciprocate to Airbus.... especially with all the 737 orders they've been losing....
 
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:42 pm

I agree with others in that I'd like to see Boeing refuse to make an offer to IB.

ScottB:

I gotta go with AA737-823 on this one.
After Boeing came out after the A346 loss and said what they did about Iberia, I would be surprised if Iberia even visited Chicago at all this time around.

I think it was very unprofessional for Boeing to do something like that. In the world of business, negotiating deals is a big part and in ANY aspect of negotiating deal, you will always try to get a deal that is economically viable. That means going back and forth between vendors and getting a price that is good for you.

Boeing loses business to Airbus and vice-versa everyday. For Boeing to go and make this deal public was very distasteful. They are just sour because they lost a potentially large business deal. Its unfortunate, but it happens.



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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:08 pm

i think iberia would look awesome in some 737-600 and -700 paint jobs, perhaps the -800 too would work for them, it would be a mixed fleet and i know it's not going to happen, which is why i wrote it  Smile
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:19 pm

I agree with others in that I'd like to see Boeing refuse to make an offer to IB.

I understand you are not intending to work for a private enterprise? Otherwise I would strongly suggest you reconsider your statement. False pride has often led to the downfall of seemingly dominant companies.

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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Wed Nov 24, 2004 10:18 am

Well in fact i don't think that boeing would lose and oportunity to sell their planes, anyway it's almost sure that in this case IB will go Airbus.


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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:13 am

The only product that Boeing would have to offer would be the 717-200 as it proves to be the best in its class (100 seaters). The 737-600/700 clash too much with their established fleet of A32X, but I really don't see IB going Boeing, they just wanna try to get some competition going so that they can get some more Airbus at a cheaper, more competitive price.
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:32 pm

"I understand you are not intending to work for a private enterprise?"

Thanks, but I already work for a profitable private enterprise. Certain customers simply aren't worth having, as you well should know if you work for a private enterprise. To some degree, they'd have to look at Iberia's RFP and see how much it was stacked in Airbus' favor; if they're looking for something similar in capacity to the A32X fleet there's really no point in wasting the resources of your sales team on a bid when it is virtually certain that Airbus will get the order. If you'd have to sell at an extremely low price and do something uneconomical like buy out their Airbus fleet, it's a big money-loser.

For Boeing to have issued a press release like the one they did, they must have felt that Iberia had not been negotiating in good faith. And it is indeed sometimes better to tell a customer that you're not interested in their business.
 
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:35 pm


I agree with ScottB, the customer is not always correct. IB in this case used Boeing and why should Boeing fall for the same trapt...in the end, yes, they are out to make a profit but Boeing shouldn't steep down to the low depths of being used by a carrier if they don't feel like it and according to their press release about the 773ER, well...apparently their interest in making business with IB a solid reality isn't that important.
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RE: Iberia To Replace MD-87/88

Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:37 pm

In fact if Boeing enters on the contest they won't be spening too much about them and has said before is surely IB would use Boeing to keep Airbus planes cheap, surely Boeing woulnd't take this business too seriously.

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