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4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:47 am

Dear A.netters,

I'll be in USA during Christmas/New Year's time. On the way back to Singapore, I need to catch NW017 from JFK, which leaves at 11.45AM. The thing is the day before, I'll be still in Washington DC. I have booked (using my Evergreen Club miles) CO2582 which will arrive in EWR at 7.47AM on the same day.

The question is whether 4 hours is enough to transfer between EWR and JFK? Bearing in mind that I still have to check in again and go through the security check in JFK. And how will the weather be in January? Any significant chance on weather delay around Washington-New Jersey-New York area? And what will be the fastest way to transfer between EWR and JFK?

Thank you in advance,
Johannes A
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:59 am

Good luck! If it's a weekday, you will be lucky to get to JFK by 10am. On an average weekday, at that time, it takes anywhere from 1hr to 3hrs to drive direct to JFK. Then take into account baggage claim, check-in. Car rental time, or bus transer time etc.. I would not chance that short of a connection time. The only chance you might have is by taking NJTransit into the city and transferring to the subway system to transfer to Airtrain. A lot connections, but at that time it might be possible.
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:08 am

Good ole NYC area connections...Hope you make it, the LGA-JFK transfer is scary enough, trying to make a 2 hr connection. Not super familiar with EWR, only been there once for a layover to LIS. Good luck!  Smile

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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:09 am

Best bet would be to have a look at NJTransit and LIRR train service between EWR and JFK.

You can take any train Eastbound out of EWR to New York Penn Station, (15-20 mins), then the LIRR out of Penn to Jamaica (15-30 mins), then the Air Train (15 mins). The commute, including baggage time and check in should leave you two hours, and and an additional hour and a half of buffer time.

So, thats NJTransit from Newark -Penn
LIRR from Penn to Jamaica
Then Airtrain to Kenndy. Its MUCH cheaper than a cab and should cost you a total of $20.

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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:21 am

Actually, YES, you could do it no problem.

From Newark airport, take NJTransit train to New York Penn Station.
At Penn Station, get on the New York City Subway "A" Train (make sure it says "Far Rockaway" to JFK.

That's it!

Estimated total travel time: just under 2 hours.
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:35 am

That's not a huge amount of time, but it should be doable. Unless, of course, you're delayed coming into Newark, which happens a lot, or you hit traffic in the NYC area, which happens a lot, or the fact that you're arriving during "rush hour" car traffic, or there's a big line at security, which happens a lot. But, cross your fingers a bit and it should be doable.

Hopefully, you won't be waiting on checked bags. Go straight from the CO airplane to the taxi stand. That'll take about 15 minutes from the door of the airplane. Wait in line for taxi, another 15 minutes. Get in the taxi. It'll now be about 8:15am. You have 3.5 hours.

There are a couple of ways the taxi can go. One is the New Jersey turnpike to the Goethals bridge, across Staten Island to the Belt Parkway, to JFK. On this route, you'll be going in the opposite direction of commuter traffic on the Turnpike, but *with* the commuter traffic on Staten Island. Once you get to the Belt Parkway, it will be opposite to the commuter traffic, but the Belt is heavy in both directions a lot of the time. It will be at least 8:30 by the time you hit Staten Island, though, so it won't have too terribly long to go until the end of rush hour.

Another possibility would be to take the Turnpike to one of the Hudson River crossings (e.g. Lincoln Tunnel, Holland Tunnel, GW Bridge), go through Manhattan, and across Queens or Brooklyn from that direction. Problem with that is that you'd be going into Manhattan right at peak commuting time and you'd get hung up in Manhattan.

The cab will be very expensive.

An alternative would be to take the Newark Airport monorail to the NJ transit station on the Northeast Corridor rail line, switch to whatever the first NJ transit train stops there, go one stop to Penn Station, Manhattran, walk downstairs to the Long Island Rail Road, get on the first train to Jamaica, Queens (all LIRR lines except the Port Washington Line stop at Jamaica), change at Jamaica to the JFK Airtrain. This should be cheaper than a cab, and not subject to the vicissitudes of traffic, but, let's see how long that would take. 15 minutes from door of plane to monorail, 15 minutes wait for monorail and getting NJ Transit ticket at monorail station through to Penn Station, 15 minutes to NJ Transit station, 20 min or less wait for train, 30 minutes on train to Penn Station, 15 minutes to change trains, 20 minutes to Jamaica, 5 minutes to change trains to Airtrain, 20 minutes to terminal. So, that looks like about 145 minutes, or two hours and 25 minutes to do it by train. Of course, with quicker transfers than I have allowed, it could be much faster. There's a thing at www.panynj.com (port authority) on how to take the Airtrain with transfers between the two airports. DON'T take the subway. Dangerous and slow.

This all assumes that you're traveling on a weekday. Weekends will be very different, both with regard to auto traffic and the frequency of rail service.

All the best,

Bill

 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:36 am

You should have no problem- as trains are pretty much immune to snow (a frequent occurence around here in January). You will have a total of 4 trains to take, So you will really get a chance to know the 'infrastructure' of New York. The goo thing for you is that you will literally get door-to-door service to/from each terminal. I would make sure you can carry all of your belongings comfortably 300 yards in one stretch as there is a wee bit of walking to be done at Penn Station.

A cab would be far more expensive and may be subject to weather/traffic delays. Go with the train unless you really can't carrry your bags.
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:38 am

Do NOT, repeat DO NOT, repeat DO NOT take the NYC subway, either the A train to Howard Beach (which goes through some very dangerous areas -- a PRIEST was slashed on the train in those areas a couple of years ago during the day) or the subway to Jamaica, which takes forever. Take the LIRR. It's much safer, it goes every few minutes, it's only 20 minutes to Jamaica, 5 minutes transfer to Airtrain and 15 minutes on Airtrain.
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:59 am

Definitely do NJ Transit from EWR to New York's Penn Station (don't get off in New Jersey's Penn Station) and then the LIRR to Jamaica to the JFK Airtrain.

Most trains (but not all so be careful) stop at Jamaica so there is good frequency out Penn Station.

Make sure you buy a ticket for both NJT and the LIRR before you get on the trains to save yourself a couple of bucks. The Airtrain ticket can be purchased once you get to the Airtrain terminal so no worries there.

If you hit it right it shouldn't take more than 2 to 3 hours total and JFK T4 isn't that crowded in the middle of the afternoon.

Good Luck...JH
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:30 am

The best thing about NJ Transit and the LIRR for this scenario is that, unlike the subway, they run on fixed timetables and are usually on time (or close enough). So, if you go to their websites, you can plan out the exact connections and see how much time you'll have.

Assuming your first flight is on time, though, and that you're comfortable navigating Penn Station fairly quickly, I don't think it will be too much of a problem. By the way, here's a tip: if you find yourself waiting on a long line to buy a ticket and your train (NJT or LIRR) is about to leave, just get on the train--you can buy your ticket onboard for a few extra dollars. Better that than missing your flight!

Good luck.
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:52 am

Do NOT, repeat DO NOT, repeat DO NOT take the NYC subway, either the A train to Howard Beach (which goes through some very dangerous areas -- a PRIEST was slashed on the train in those areas a couple of years ago during the day) or the subway to Jamaica, which takes forever. Take the LIRR. It's much safer, it goes every few minutes, it's only 20 minutes to Jamaica, 5 minutes transfer to Airtrain and 15 minutes on Airtrain.

Absoulte B.S.. Ignore this comment about the A-train. Sure, it's a looong ride and can be delayed at times but it is not VERY DANGEROUS. I'm on the A-train 5 days a week, 1.25 hours each way per day and what do you know, I've never been slashed, bothered, raped or mugged. The A-train is so busy (crowded) most of the time, even late into the night it's rare that you'd be bothered at all as long as you have common sense and an ounce of street smarts. And yes, I even take the A-train late at night sometimes and have done so for 10+ years...I'm still kickin'

Your chances of getting slashed on the A is about the same as your Airtrain car falling off the rail.  Big grin

However, with that said, there are quicker (but more $) ways of doing the NYC to JFK commute that I would recommend since you're on limited time.

Mike


[Edited 2004-11-22 20:57:20]
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:00 am

I complete agree with Mikephotos... It's nonsense that because there was a killing two years ago that no one should ride the A Train anymore... especially frustrating to read someone directing scare tactics towards foreigners. I too have ridden the A Train to/from JFK several times, including in the middle of the night... it's very safe. Wjcandee sounds like an old woman.
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:09 am

I can vouch for the A trains safety as well! Not sure where that came from. Maybe 10 years ago, but it is safe now.
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:12 am

I did VS from LHR-JFK, then LGA-DFW on AA. I had no problem transferring to my next flight. I think I had about 3 hours. Plus, you aren't going to have the hassle of customs, so you should have plenty of time. I came back from LHR to JFK and had to go through customs, and I still made it to LGA in plenty of time for my AA flight to DFW.

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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:13 am

I just got off the A train less than 2 hours ago. I ride it 4x per week for work, and have never had a problem in over 7 years.
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:51 am

90% of the people who are afraid of the A-train probably have never been on it. Flyguy1...with you going 4x a week and me 5x I'm sure we've been in the same car at one time or another...I'll have to start wearing a "Airliners.net" hat  Smile

On the way back to Singapore, I need to catch NW017 from JFK, which leaves at 11.45AM..

Johannes, let me know what day you are doing NW017 JFK-NRT and if possible I'll try to get a shot of your departure. Here's a shot of NW017 taken a few weeks ago:


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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:00 am

here is a link:

http://www.panynj.gov/aviation/connfram.HTM

gives all the info:

From EWR to JFK

Service Approximate Frequency & Travel Time
Airporter (Princeton Airporter-www.goairporter.com)
1-800-385-4000 or (609) 587-6600
$24 Frequent service
7:00 AM to 5:00 PM
75 - 90 minutes

AirTrain Newark to NJ Transit or Amtrak to 34th St/NY Penn Station. Connect to NYC Subway A Train to Howard Beach. Connect to AirTrain JFK to terminals.
Newark Airport Express to Park Avenue and 120 E 41st Street near Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan. Connect to New York Airport Service Express Bus for JFK.
Newark Airport Express Bus: (212) 964-6233 or (908) 354-3330
New York Airport Service Express Bus: (718) 875-8200
Newark Airport Express Bus: $12
New York Airport Service Express Bus: $13 AirTrain: 6 AM to 11 PM - Every 4-8 minutes; 11 PM to 6 AM - Every 12 minutes

Newark Airport Express Bus: 4:00 AM to 11:00 PM
30 - 60 minutes

New York Airport Service Express Bus: 5:00 AM to 10:00 PM
45 - 65 minutes

Newark Airport Express to Port Authority Bus Terminal 42nd Street and 8th Avenue in Manhattan. Connect to New York Airport Service Express Bus for JFK.
Newark Airport Express: (212) 964-6233 or (908) 354-3330
New York Airport Service Express Bus: (718) 875-8200
Newark Airport Express Bus: $12
New York Airport Service Express Bus: $13
Newark Airport Express: 30 - 45 minutes
New York Airport Service Express Bus: 5:20 AM to 8:40 PM
65 - 85 minutes

Taxi (Flat Rate)
Go to Uniformed Taxi Dispatcher
$60.00 plus tolls On demand
75 - 90 minutes
Private Limousine/Van Service
Go to Ground Transportation Information Counter in Airport Baggage Claim Area
Prices vary On demand
75 - 90 minutes
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:12 am

"At Penn Station, get on the New York City Subway "A" Train (make sure it says "Far Rockaway" to JFK."

Do not take the A train from Manhattan to JFK, take the LIRR from PENN station. The A train will take over an hour (75 Minutes) and it's not easy with luggage.

Take NJ Transit from EWR to NY Penn, at NY Penn find the LIRR concourse and board any LIRR train for "Jamaica". Transfer there to JFK Airtrain.

Should take you a little less than two hours.
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NY Penn To JFK

Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:48 am

If you do take the trains, you can decide how to get from NY Penn (Manhattan) to JFK just as well as anyone else can. The choices are LIRR to Jamaica ($4.75, maybe 22 minutes) or the E train to Jamaica Center (the same place, just underground; $2, maybe 45 minutes) or the A train to Howard Beach ($2, 50-55 minutes). Then $5 more (from any of those) for the Airtrain to JFK. My guess is there's no advantage to the A train instead of the E-- Jamaica is several kilometers from the terminals, but the Airtrain does maybe 90 km/hr above the Van Wyck and gets to terminal 4 in maybe 13-14 minutes? from Jamaica.

(on the other hand, the A train does part of its run above ground, which is a minor plus.)
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:55 am

Don't take the Subway to JFK, take LIRR, it's so much faster. If you took a cab, it would be about 1hr 30min, you would go across the Goethels Bridge, then the Verazzano Bridge to the Belt Parkway, then direct to JFK. That ride on the belt is quick, but about 15 miles and always slows around Sheepshead Bay. There is usually traffic on the Goethels, but the Verazzano is generally fine.

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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:01 am

To GARUDA: I presume that your NW ticket originated from SIN to JFK and that you're now using the return sector to fly back to Singapore? But you're going to be in Washington DC right? I think the EASIEST way is to reissue your NW ticket so that you will now depart from Washington DC (instead of JFK) to Singapore.

SIN-JFK and return from WAS to SIN should be the same fare. If you still haven't left for the US yet, I suggest trying this option. Don't bother with transits - especially at NY airports.

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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:48 pm

Absoulte B.S.. Ignore this comment about the A-train. Sure, it's a looong ride and can be delayed at times but it is not VERY DANGEROUS. I'm on the A-train 5 days a week, 1.25 hours each way per day and what do you know, I've never been slashed, bothered, raped or mugged

I completely, completely agree. I have done the A train to JFK many times and the biggest problem I ever had was a three hour delay due to a breakdown! (This was back in the early 1980's when the system was at its worst.) The A is no different than any other line and there are always a ton of other people on it.

Statistically, the subway is even a bit safer than the street these days. But both the subway and the streets are safe. I don't know who this person is trying to scare people on this forum - he says he's from NYC, but I don't see how anyone from NYC could really be scared of the A train. Maybe he's new to these parts? (NYC I mean.)

There are better reasons not to take the A train, though, the biggest just being that it's a long, annoying ride with a whole lot of stops, and then you've still gotta transfer to the bus at the end of it. Take the LIRR and then the AirTrain.

If I'm gonna add my own "DO NOT, repeat DO NOT" to this discussion, it'll be to say DO NOT attempt to take a cab or a bus. You are getting in to EWR just before rush hour, and you will likely get out of the airport right during rush hour, in the middle of winter, with potentially a whole bunch of snow on the ground (and potentially more falling), and you'll be travelling at least part way in the same direction as everybody else. None of this is conducive to a desirable traffic situation. Honestly, under most circumstances 4 hours is plenty of time to transfer between airports by any method, but at rush hour during the dead of winter you are definitely taking a much bigger chance by driving. Take the train - NJ Transit to Penn Station, LIRR to Jamaica and then the AirTrain. Yes, it's annoying that there's no train going direct from EWR to JFK, but this is New York - practically everything about this city is annoying in some way or other.
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:27 pm

I still say that it's easier and cheaper to reroute his ticket to originate from Washington DC to SIN!
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:29 pm

Thank you all for the replies...  Smile

To answer some of the questions:

- Mikephotos, my flight on NW017 will be on 4 January 2005

- GuyBetsy1, yes I did try to re-issue my ticket via Washington, but unfortunately all flights from IAD and DCA to SIN are closed, I couldn't even get into the waiting list  Sad

From the replies above, I reckon my best bet is to take NJ Transit from EWR to NY Penn, connect to LIRR for "Jamaica". Then transfer there to JFK Airtrain.

Another question, I'm thinking of forking out an extra $60 for a IAD-JFK flight, but the earliest possible will arrive at 9.44AM at T7. So will 2 hours connection (Domestic to International) between T7 and T4 at JFK is possible as well?

Thanks in advance
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:33 pm

I did this once - and only once - and I had 5 hours. What a goat rope. I don't envy you at all. I flew in to EWR on CO and had to depart JFK on LH. Barely enough time, really. I took an airport limo from EWR to JFK.

I wish you luck. You'll need it unless you have a Star-Trekish Transporter in your pocket that can beam you form one airport to the other, you'll need every minute.
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:50 pm

Personally, I'd take a 2-hour domestic-to-international connection at JFK over a 4-hour EWR-to-JFK connection any day. Fewer variables = fewer things that can go wrong! Unless it falls below the minimum connecting time, but you can check that easily enough on Expedia.

Especially now with the Airtrain running between terminals, this seems like a no-brainer. Unless you're looking for a tour of the NYC transit system...  Smile

However, I would point out that you could also take the 6 a.m. flight out of DCA on Eagle, or the 7 a.m. flight out of IAD on Independence Air, which get into JFK at 7:05 and 8:17 respectively. Either of those would seem like a better option...in fact, I-Air even uses T-4, same as NW! Are there no seats available, or is it very expensive on the date you're traveling?
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:12 am

- Mikephotos, my flight on NW017 will be on 4 January 2005

Or darn, that's a weekday and I'm back to work that day...can't do it..sorry. Maybe one of the other guys will get a shot of the departure for you.

Mike
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:28 am

Yeah, I'd hit the domestic transfer. Much less hassel <3
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:41 am

See if you can get a refund of your miles then purchase a one way on Independence Air or UA to JFK.

If you fly Indy Air you will arrive in T4 which is where the NW flight departs from.

If you fly UA you'll arrive T7 and need to take the AirTrain back to T4.

The alternative is to take the train/subway/airtrain combo or take the Train to Penn Station then the Airport Express bus out to JFK.

If you have a lot of luggage then just do a cab it's a lot easier. It should take about 60-90 minutes in a cab depending on traffic, and it's a flat rate so you don't have to worry about the meter running up if you hit traffic.

Either way 4 hours should be enough. The worst part of the journey is going to be from the Goethals Bridge to the Belt Parkway.
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:04 am

Gee, I thought personal insults were off limits on this board...

Regarding my comments about the A train, here's my thinking, as a virtually lifelong New Yorker. It's one thing to use the subway to commute, wearing clothes that don't make you a mark, carrying nothing that makes you a mark, having no questions and knowing where you're going. In other words, it's no big deal where you look -- more or less -- like everyone else. I ride the subway all the time under these conditions.

It's something else entirely to board the subway with suitcases, not being sure where one is going, staring repeatedly at the map, counting the number of stops, maybe even asking questions about whether one is on the right train, and obviously being a foreign traveller, presumably with money, credit cards, and other valuables, in other words, a "mark". I see freckle-faced Midwestern kids and their clueless tourist parents on the subway all the time in Manhattan on weekends, something you wouldn't see 10 years ago. That's swell, but I wouldn't recommend that they take the subway into East New York, for example, and maybe take a touristy walk on the street. There are plenty of wonderful folks who live in East New York, but one has to admit that it's not as safe an area as others. That's just life.

Indeed, one of the folks who flamed me mentioned that a person should have no problem as long as he exercises some "street smarts". My point exactly. Why would you assume that an international traveller who is not from New York would have any semblance of "street smarts", or even know what you are talking about? It's very easy to sit behind some anonymous screen name and advise people what to do; are you willing to be the *insurer* of this person's safety? Probably not.

Moreover, nobody can dispute that all of our subway lines run through both very-safe and very-dangerous neighborhoods, and that the same train can be very safe on one part of its run and not-so-safe on another. That other people are around is not of itself a deterrent. People stand by and watch others get hurt all the time. Accordingly, I think it's a fair comment, regardless of the experience of you airport workers who commute by subway, that a foreign passenger with luggage, money and valuables would be substantially safer taking the Airtrain. The perceived lack of safety is one reason that most people didn't even consider there to be a viable public-transit route to JFK from Manhattan until Aitrain was built.

All the best,

Bill
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:16 am

Hi Johannes "GARUDA" : You said " Another question, I'm thinking of forking out an extra $60 for a IAD-JFK flight, but the earliest possible will arrive at 9.44AM at T7. So will 2 hours connection (Domestic to International) between T7 and T4 at JFK is possible as well?"

Actually this may be the best idea yet. Please do spend the extra $60 and forget about the transits etc. It is going to be so much of a hassle lugging all your luggage around, worrying if you'll make your connection if anything happens along the way, fighting with rush hour subway crowds.

As someone who travels over 100 K miles a year and having gone through all the transits, traffic and connections..... just spend the 60 bucks and fly into JFK. Yes 2 hours connection between T7 and T4 is sufficient. You may through check your luggage from IAD to SIN as long as you show BOTH tickets to the gate agent. Then all you have to do is to transfer yourself and your carry-on on the AIRTRAIN which is free to use for inter-JFK terminal transfers.
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:40 am

Garuda,
Just looked at www.flyi.com and you can book a flight for $53 on a 7am flight IAD-JFK that will get you there by 8:17am. THIS is the way to go. The cost (when you factor the transfer costs) is about the same and you will be far less stressed out. Early morning like that should be a breeze for air traffic too.

Do that- ignore what we all said above.
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:45 am

Bill, no one said to get off in East New York. Taking the A and walking the streets of East New York at 3am is comparing two different things.

Indeed, one of the folks who flamed me mentioned that a person should have no problem as long as he exercises some "street smarts".

It was not a flame, just pointing out that your post was incorrect and more personal opinion than fact. My reply was regarding the "comments" not a personal attack.

Why would you assume that an international traveller who is not from New York would have any semblance of "street smarts", or even know what you are talking about?

Because generally speaking, all tourist are not idiots. At least I don't think of them that way, maybe you do. You know, there are "bad areas" in other parts of the world not just NY so a lot of people have been preexposed to these situtations.

It's very easy to sit behind some anonymous screen name and advise people what to do; are you willing to be the *insurer* of this person's safety? Probably not.

Anonymous? Check my profile. Also most people know who I am on these forums...I've been here a looooong time buddy. I can't insure anyone's safety but I will say I see a lot of tourist on the A going to JFK and in the last ummm 10 years or so haven't seen any problems. So, can you insure anyones safety on LIRR? What about the shooting a few years back...should everyone now avoid LIRR because of one or two incidents? I didn't think so...

You speak of the subways as if there are killings everyday. It's not that bad. There's a reason why everyone agrees with me. We've made it to 2004, things are a bit different nowadays.

Mike




 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:46 am

Yes, Petazulu is right--this is definitely the way to go! As I mentioned above, you won't even need to change terminals. You can just relax in the comfort of T4, the newest and nicest terminal at JFK, get a bite to eat and watch planes as you wait for your flight to NRT. And if the fare is only $53 o/w, that should clinch it for you. You'd easily spend that much on transportation between airports. Enjoy your trip!
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:13 am

Accordingly, I think it's a fair comment, regardless of the experience of you airport workers who commute by subway, that a foreign passenger with luggage, money and valuables would be substantially safer taking the Airtrain

Just to add:

Why do you assume we are all "airport workers". Are you implying something by that comment? As if an airport worker is of lower grade than say a city worker? A fair comment would be that a foreign passengers is about as safe on the streets of nyc, riding on the LIRR to Airtrain or taking a cab ride from Manhattan to JFK as he/she is would be on the A-train. Fact is, probably safer on the A with all the NYPD presence now on mass transit. It's rare on my daily commute home to not see a handful of officers.

So, to keep this on topic...I would have no problem with recommending the A for someone that had plenty of time. However, due to minimal savings (now $7.00 to JFK from NYC on the A/Airtrain) and long sometimes unpredictable ride (delays) I would suggest other excellent options as listed by others above.

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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 7:52 am

Moreover, nobody can dispute that all of our subway lines run through both very-safe and very-dangerous neighborhoods, and that the same train can be very safe on one part of its run and not-so-safe on another.

I dispute that. The subway is by definition a moving train. If it's running through one neighborhood it's going to pick some people off and drop other people off. It does the same thing in the next neighborhood, and the one after that, and the one after that. The end result being that the subway does a good job of "averaging out" the relative safety while you're on it.

But regardless, the point is both the subway and the streets are safe. I'd have no more of a problem walking down the streets of East New York these days as I would the Upper East Side (which doesn't mean I'd walk through either one at 4 AM without staying alert, but during the daytime is no problem). Crime can happen anywhere in this city (partly due to people being able to get around so easily on the subway), and we're not in the 1970's or 1980's anymore - crime's down around 80% since those days, and you're no more likely to get attacked on an A train than you are on an AirTrain, quite honestly. I'd take riding around with people on their way to work over riding around with a bunch of disgruntled air travel passengers any day of the week.

As I said, I've taken the A train many times to JFK and I've done it with lots of luggage. Every time I do it I see plenty of other people doing the exact same thing (well, maybe not so much these days, now that AirTrain exists). The rest of the people I see are going to or coming home from work, school, or whatever. I mean they're regular people. I really have to wonder where your comments are coming from.

The perceived lack of safety is one reason that most people didn't even consider there to be a viable public-transit route to JFK from Manhattan until Aitrain was built.

No, it had nothing to do with any perceived lack of safety, even though it is true that the subways were less safe 20 years ago (when the "Train to the Plane" campaign was still in effect, and specially marked express trains ran on the A line to JFK). It had to do with the fact that there was no direct link to JFK even if you did take the subway, and that wasn't remedied until AirTrain started operating (some would say AirTrain still isn't a solution, since it still requires a transfer). The subway stops close to JFK, but you still need to take a free shuttle bus to get there and spend another half an hour driving around the terminals.

But even 20 years ago, when the subways were less safe than they are now, plenty of people took the A train to JFK - enough that the MTA created special trains and an ad campaign just for that purpose. It ended up being not enough people to support having special trains just for the JFK run, but there were still plenty of people who did it.

It's a moot point because the AirTrain is a better option for this guy, but since you're persisting in putting forth this idea that the subways are scary and dangerous in further replies, I feel like I've gotta respond.
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:00 am

Mike and Space:

Sigh.

We obviously just disagree and it's not worth further debate, as I guess I can't convince you that a tourist with luggage and money would be safer on the Airtrain. Or that some parts of our subway system are more dangerous than others. Fine.

But I do think I have to be crystal clear about "airport workers". I assumed that if one is commuting 1.25 hours to Howard Beach on the A every day, they were likely working at the airport. There was no condescension towards folks who work at the airport; I'm friends with quite a few. And even if I was some sort of snob, which I'm not, there is no common denominator among folks who work at the airport other than that they work there; there are all kinds of jobs there and all kinds of pay grades there, including some that are probably significantly higher than mine.

My point was that the folks that do something every day blend in because they look like they are used to being there; they've done it a million times; they're part of the furniture; they know the moves and they recognize something that's out of place. Our billionaire Mayor takes the subway every day to work. He did it for years before everybody knew who he was and he didn't have bodyguards with him. And nobody probably even noticed him because he blended in. Nothin' against folks who work at the airport -- I just assumed from the comments about commuting to the airport that the folks worked there. Nothing more, nothing less.

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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:12 am

Garuda, I would simply change my flight and catch a flight into LGA or JFK. You have just about enough time to commute between those two airports on a normal day. Since you are taking an international flight out of JFK, you must at least have about an hour and a half ( Despite what NWA will tell you ). That gives you roughly about 2 hours to get your bags, find a way to travel and the travel itself. You will be crossing some bridges ( tunnel may be ) which are usually backed up in the morning. Eventhough most portion of your commute is not towrads the morning rush commute but there WILL be some places where you will find a lot of traffic.

Now the bad part ; since you are traveling in late December/early January, weather might be a factor. Just to remind you, in bad weather scenario, both LGA and EWR usually have huge arrival delays ( up to 3/4 hours) where JFK pretty much stays on schedule even in bad weather. I can see you not making the connecting flight in case of rain or snow. I wish you the best but I wouldn't take that chance unless I could take the NW flight the next day without paying a heavy surcharge.
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:46 am

Bill

Point taken and lets just agree that we disagree  Smile

BTW my 1.25 hr commute is from several stops before Howard Beach to the city and back each night. I don't get on/off at the JFK stop. In the (subway) car home tonight, there were 4 different people with large bags that got off at JFK so it does seem like people still use the A to HB and then Airtrain from there.

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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:22 pm

Thx all!!

I think Independence Air is the best option now, and I like to try new airlines as well  Smile

Anyone can tell me what's the plane they use on IAD-JFK route?

Thx,
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 1:38 pm

Garuda:

You can look at www.flyi.com for information, but the timetable suggests that the A319s will be used to the Southwest and West, so that leaves the 50- seat Canadair RJ.

All the best,

Bill
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 1:44 pm

Mike:

That sounds fair to me. I'm also embarrassed that I didn't pick up that you were commuting to and from the City rather than to and from the airport. It also occurred to me that the A probably still provides airport transportation to folks with suitcases going to JFK from Brooklyn or Queens, for whom it wouldn't be necessarily convenient to go to the LIRR. Anyway, we have certainly ventilated the public transit issue for anyone looking for information about how best to get to the NYC airports!

Best,

Bill
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:27 pm

Anyway, we have certainly ventilated the public transit issue for anyone looking for information about how best to get to the NYC airports!

Now that I agree on!

Oh, and as Bill mentioned it's all CRJ's (for now) to JFK on Indy. (Please, please, please sub the A319 when I'm out there shooting one day)

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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:56 am

Do NOT, repeat DO NOT, repeat DO NOT take the NYC subway, either the A train to Howard Beach (which goes through some very dangerous areas -- a PRIEST was slashed on the train in those areas a couple of years ago during the day) or the subway to Jamaica, which takes forever..."

What do you mean by this do not!!!!!!! SHAME ON YOU! SHAME ON YOU! I REPAT SHAME ON YOU! We live in a city of 8million people. Unfortunate things are bound to happen. THe slashing occured well over 10 years ago if memory serves correctly. You can be killed in a cab or on a train derailment as well you know. I take the subway to JFK every morning to work and every evening back home. It is perfectly fine, not to mention cheap.

If money is an issue. And the E does not take forever BTW. From midtown it takes 35mins to get to Jamaica station. I know. I take it 5 sometimes 6 days per week
 
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RE: 4 Hrs Transfer Between EWR And JFK: Possible?

Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:01 am

I have ot agree...anything can happen anywhere...I live in Indianapolis and people get hurt/killed..it is just a part of life. You just have to act like you know what you are doing and not like a "tourist."
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