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Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:59 am

Did Delta Air Lines ever operate the A300 as stated in this picture?


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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:01 am

All Delta Airbuses ever operated were inherited from the Eastern and Pan Am purchases of the early 90's. Most were in horrible shape and operated for only a few years, if even that.
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:03 am

It's actually an A310, and Delta did operate them a long time ago. Anyone who can fill in on the details?


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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:03 am

I thought I had read where DL had purchased some factory fresh as well!!!!
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:04 am

I know that DL got most of their 310's from PA, but if I am not mistaken a couple came from PA orders direct form Airbus to DL.

Also, I don't believe any came from EA, and they were only 310's.
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:04 am

The picture is of an A310-300,not an A300.

Delta did operate x Pan Am A310-200/300's and went on to order new build A310-300's before replacing the entire fleet with additional 767-300's.

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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:05 am

EA only operated the A300.
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:26 am

The above posters are correct.

DL never operated any EA Airbus equipment. The EA equipment went to CO.

DL did operate several A310-300 and A310-200 that came from PA

DL also leased new build A310-300s

The Pan Am A310s were not in "horrible" condition as the poster above states. The Eastern A300s however that went to CO were in horrible condition.

Both CO and DL ended up dumping the A300 and A310s respectively for B767 series aircraft.

I think there is some confusion with the two transactions.
 
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:30 am

What's the difference between a A300 and A310?
 
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:33 am

Quickmover:

Take a look at the airliners.net homepage. There you will find a link to aircraft data, which will answer your question.
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:35 am

Did Delta Air Lines ever operate the A300 as stated in this picture?

A quick search of the data base would have shown you 63 'hits.'

In a post a few months ago on this same subject, someone stated that Delta when they took on the x-Pan Am aircraft, also excepted the outstanding aircraft on order. I think the previous poster said DAL only took on 3-4 'new' airframes.
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:38 am

CO didn't dump the A300 for B767. The A 300 were gone 5+ years before the 767 showed up. CO got used DC-10 to replace them.
 
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:43 am

In 1991 when Pan Am shut down, Delta got Pan Am's JFK worldport and either most, or all of their A310s. Delta NEVER operated any EA A300s nor ever operated an A300 (although Pan Am DID have some.) Most of the A310s that went to Delta were supposedly in fine condition, having only been around 5-7 years give or take. Most of these A310s operated from the JFK hub to Europe.
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:44 am

In short--the A310 carries fewer passengers than the A300.
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:55 am

My recollection is that the word around Delta was that the A310s were not sufficiently reliable and were responsible for more delays than the airline was comfortable with. This is of course unscientific, but I recall several trips through Atlanta on DL where we pulled in next to an A310, and each time we disembarked into a group of peeved travellers whose flight was delayed by a mechanical. I also recall a lot of anecdotes (which, as we know, are probably overstated) to the effect that Delta's mechanics were shocked when they went across the Pond to inspect the mechanical condition of PanAm's fleet of European-based 727s, and DL passed on a lot of them. Again, this is just pilot and mechanic talk, but I suspect that there's some degree of truth to it.

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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:08 am

Pan Am operated the A300 and A310 - when DL took over Pan Am's European routes, they also acquired the A310s (a mix of A310-200 and A310-300) models but did not take on the A300s. The A300s went on to other carriers worldwide over time including Carnival Airlines (PanAm used the A300s mainly on caribbean and latin american routes).

DL operated the ex-Pan Am A310s for serveral years and also acquired (via a leasing deal I think) 7 additional factory new A310-300s. The A310-300s operated routes mainly from JFK to Europe, but the A310s also operated transcon services from JFK to LAX and SFO, an odd flight from JFK to domestic destinations such as ATL and CVG, and possibily for a short time a couple of transatlantic flights out of CVG. Pan Am, and then Delta, even used the A310-200 on some transatlantic services (usually Brussels and Amsterdam) which was really pushing the range of the type.

By the mid 1990s, DL cut many of the ex-Pan AM services out of JFK in order to save costs - huge losses were being incurred. At the same time, a decision was made to eliminate the A310 from the fleet to standardize on the 763ER for most transatlantic services - management decided that it was not effecient to fly the 763 and A313 side by side so the A310s went - the A310-200s are with FedEx and the A310-300s went to airlines worldwide.
 
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:21 am

I think CO replaced the A300s with the then new 757fleet not DC10s. Also, CO operated the ex EA A300s for a number of years (I think from about '87 to '94).
 
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:38 am

What's the difference between a A300 and A310?.

Compared to the A300 (pre A300-600), the A310:
- Is shorter.
- Has longer range.
- Has a redesigned wing.
- Has a new stabilizer.
- Has fly by wire outboard spoilers. The first use of FBW in an Airbus.
- Has an EFIS flight deck.


Many of these changes were incorporated in the A300-600
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:39 am


That is correct, Delta did receive a few A310's directly from Airbus, but they were inherited orders from PANAM following their dismissal. Actually I believe 3 of Aerolineas Argentinas A310's are former DL operated.
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:55 am

CO and AA both seem to not like the airbus planes. Especially AA i am always hearing about how bat they are. due to the fact that most of the planes inherited by CO were in bad condition is that why Co retired them and never got more? is it possible that Co got a bad first impression of airbus and does not want any more. the reason that i ask this is because european carriers generally love airbus and american carriers generally dispise airbus (or at least that is the way it seems to me) (with CO expanding to many new routes will they get any airbusses?) also why did DL retire the airbus so quickly?

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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:40 am

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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:16 am

I seem to remember reading somewhere that when DL decided they did not want to keep the Airbus aircraft they went to JM... anyone know if the aircraft orders were transfered to JM?

I did a little research and found out that in at least more than one case DL did turn some of their A310s over to JM!


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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:58 am


COAmiG29,

From what relevant source have you heard that AA doesn't like the A300's? Yes, they had the crash, but the A300 is a real cash-cow for AA.
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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:18 am

Delta operated a total of 21 A310-200/-300s which were obtained from Pan Am, plus another 8 aircraft which Dela took delivery of directly from Airbus.

These were not inherited Pan Am orders though, all of Pan Am's 18 ordered A310s were delivered before they ceased operations.

A few of the aircraft Delta took delivery of straight from Airbus had been built for other airlines, but not taken up and placed into storage, however the rest of the aircraft appear to be from a direct order placed with Airbus via Wilmington Trust

Details of the aircraft delivered by Airbus as follows;

N835AB - built for Tarom (ntu)
N836AB - built for Aerocancun (ntu)
N837AB - built for TEA (ntu)
N838AB
N839AB - built for TEA (ntu)
N840AB
N841AB
N842AB

Delta never took delivery of N843AB as ordered - it was cancelled before rollout and delivered to PIA as AP-BEU

As a little aside, the 3 Pan Am A310s not delivered new from Airbus were originally built for Kuwait Airways in 1984, but appear to have been traded in to Boeing (for 767s?) before delivery - and it was from Boeing that Pan Am obtained these aircraft in 1986. If anyone knows any more about these aircraft, I'd be interested...

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RE: Delta A300

Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:11 pm

I had the pleasure of flying a Delta A310 from JFK to PDX in November of 1993 (or 1994 or 1995, can't remember). We departed and arrived on time, no delays. The aircraft was comfortable and clean.
This was my only (to date) A310 flight, and it was right before Thanksgiving (and my first trip to NYC). The plane had one of those "nifty" inflight progress screens that would show you the position on the map, airspeed, etc.
I'm sure Delta just wanted to standardize their fleet, and lease end dates were probably coming up.
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RE: Delta A300

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:25 am

What was wong with the Eastern A300 fleet? Maint problems or were they just dirty?
 
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RE: Delta A300

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:40 am

I can't speak to the mechanical details of the aircraft when they came to DL from PA, but I can tell you that on the inside, they were a mess. Interiors were dirty and worn, VERY smoke damaged, and the lavs weren't any better. I never experienced any kind of delay or cancellation on the plane. However, there was no real J class galley to serve from, just a place to stow carts and hotplates. Meals were served from the F galley, which meant a lot of traffic in the FC cabin.

The new build planes that DL were much better, had proper galleys for each cabin. New interiors in DL colors, carts that worked right, etc. I liked the 310 better than the 767ER, both riding and working.