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Eastern/TWA Deal

Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:23 am

I learned recently that at one time Eastern and TWA had virtually joined their FF programs in the mid 80. This makes sense from one regard- Eastern concentrated Florida and Latin America routes did not compete with TWA's midwestern and European routes. But didn't both airlines at one time compete on routes out of MCI, STL and ORD? Perhaps this was before the tie up. What were the deatils of the tie up?
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RE: Eastern/TWA Deal

Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:30 am

Hmm Twa served Florida,ive got some Mia pics.Youve asked a good question, ive got hundreds of old a/l timetables from the 60,s and 70s,,,youve got my curiousity up
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RE: Eastern/TWA Deal

Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:49 am

Circa 1980, TW started to develop its dual STL and MCI hubs. Roughly concurrently, EA launched transcon service and also established a presence at MCI.

Sketchy, I know. Perhaps someone can fill-in the details.
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RE: Eastern/TWA Deal

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:27 am

EA and TWA did not merge their FF programs, what they did was if you were a member of either programs, you could have the mileage credited to one or the other.

I was a member of TWA's FF program and one time in the 1980's flew down to FLL on EA but got the mileage credit on my TWA account.
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RE: Eastern/TWA Deal

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:49 am

Eastern had a focus city in STL. Also, EA operated a mini-hub in MCI. That is probably why they tried to hook up in some ways.

I do remember seeing an EA A-300 in STL using TWA's Gate #49 (old gate # before concourse letter came out)

[Edited 2004-11-23 02:51:12]
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RE: Eastern/TWA Deal

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:06 am

At one time in the 1970's, EA and TW tried sharing their L-1011's.

Because TW's peak traffic was in the summer for international and trans con service and EA's peak was in the winter for northeast to Florida traffic, they tried for about 2 years leasing airplanes to each other for their peak seasons. For some reason it did not work out and was dropped.
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RE: Eastern/TWA Deal

Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:42 pm

Probably that reason, Jetstar, for the ending of the Eastern/TWA L-1011 sharing, was that TWA's L-1011s were equipped to fly transatlantically, while Eastern's were not, so eventually leasing Eastern's L-1011-1 Tristars probably became a waste of money and time. TWA upgraded many of their L-1011-1's to -50s to fly transatlantically, and several more were upgraded to -100s. Eastern continued to focus domestically and never bothered to convert their L-1011s for international use. That was one of the reasons that they later acquired the DC-10-30...they were capable of the long reach their L-1011s lacked when Eastern finally decided to try to push for more international service.
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