ConcordeBoy
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VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:38 am

VS is due to start its proposed LHR-HKG-SYD route on 12/8/04.




IINM, they still haven't gotten final clearance, from all parties involved, to op this route...

...could they find themselves having to refund scores of international tickets days before offering a new flight, a la America West?



What gives?
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:47 am

They will get final clearance in time........don you worry, C-boy!

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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:52 am

I doubt it.

They know what they are doing and I would imagine somewhere down the line somebody has given them the nod. Now it's a matter of procedure before they commence flying the route.

I'm sure they'll be flying it next month.
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:55 am

Dont be so sure; it's really not that uncommon to see an airline barred from offering an international service at the [relative] last minute.

We've seen it recently with Air Canada and America West.




........lest we all forget that a decision on a foreign airline operating LHR-USA is somewhat tied to VS's final clearance as well.
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:56 am

What happened to America West? Did Costa Rica screw them?

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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:12 am

Y'know, everyone here has been quick to dismiss what C-boy is saying, but it does happen to airlines occasionally.

Case in point? Alaska Airlines - definitely a top-notch air carrier - began offering nonstop YVR-SNA service, and went full-tilt to market it. Flights were booked up months in advance, and loads were good.

Just one little problem - even though customers pre-cleared U.S. customs in YVR, laws still required the presence of a U.S. Customs and Immigration facility at SNA for the service to operate.

Oops.

End result? AS had to change the flight to a one-stop YVR-SEA-SNA flight to comply with the laws, losing tons of business in the process and refunding many tickets from disgruntled customers as well.

A big SNAFU happening at VS isn't as far-fetched as some people might think. Odds are things will be fine, but you never know!
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:19 am

Still, if VS does not get this clearance, then CX loses LHR-JFK.
And Fred, starting a lot of posts lately. That is a bit out of character. I thought the nasty surprise was going to be you spray painting over the 4 engines 4 long haul on the A340s with 2 engines 2 profitability. Big grin
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:39 am

I hear they are operating this flight as a daily charter as they do not have the ok. There are adds all over Hong Kong for this flight, including one in Admiralty station that has a A346 running all the way down one wall.... a good 100meters!! (A340-1000  Smile/happy/getting dizzy )
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:45 am

Uh, what a disappointment. I was looking forward at some more bitching about the magnificent A346!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:07 am

VS have more than enough business sense behind them to make sure they get the clearance in time. Nothing to worry about there!

Cheers,

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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:28 am

"VS have more than enough business sense behind them to make sure they get the clearance in time."

It has little to do with business sense per se - such "nasty" surprises have happened to the best of airlines.
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:34 am

It has little to do with business sense per se - such "nasty" surprises have happened to the best of airlines.

I think not. Take 9/11 for example, thats one very nasty surprise, but because of VS's business sense, yup, that's right, business sense, they saw what was happening, and dropped all their non profitable routes (ORD for example), and well well well, look what happened, they came out strong!

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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:02 pm

It could happen.
We have to see if they get the pax right of traffic between HKG-SYD-HKG, and not just the operational.
CX must be screaming up in the air here.


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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:47 pm

Well it wasnt al that long ago that a similar thing happened to Virgin Blue.

They went around proclaiming a certain start date and I believe also pre-sold tickets (can't be certain) that was until CASA advised that an AOC had not been granted.

Consequently for whatever reason (I believe CASA proving a point) did not issue an AOC for Virgin Blue before their claimed start-up date.

So I suppose case in point, It has happened to Virgin, involving Australian authorities so I wouldn't say it couldn't happen again.
 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:05 pm

Whose approval is still pending?
 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:17 pm

Let's not forget that VS has also this other application up in the air... Sales and marketing for the LHR-BOM flights are up and running, yet the airline is so far not guaranteed the frequencies to operate the service in a couple of months' time, although this case is purely U.K.-related and does not involve any foreign authorities.

 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:17 pm

VS11 - whilst not entirely conlusive there is no Foreign AOC for VS listed on the CASA website.

 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:21 pm

VS have more than enough business sense behind them to make sure they get the clearance in time.

There are airlines who've survived far longer, through far worse, with far more to deal with.... that have had such incidences happen to them. VS is certainly not immune.




In fact, I'll venture to say that not only is it possible, but probable in this particular case.
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:47 pm

Who hasn't approved the route? It was approved by the EU, HK and OZ authorities a long time ago. Where did the 'not approved yet' rumour start?
It was initially due to start in June of this year but was delayed waiting for final approval from the EU.

It's all ready to go from LHR on December 6. There is even a new HKG Clubhouse opening for it.
 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:14 pm

The condition is if VS gets the rights to operate LHR-HKG-SYD and back, CX must be given the permission to operate HKG-LHR-JFK.

Since CX has not been given the deal, VS will not get the deal too.
 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:29 pm

The CX LHR JFK deal is subject to EU approval.

BMI have complained that a non EU carrier has got preference on departure rights ex Heathrow to JFK.
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:34 pm

YEp CX has not being given the LHR-JFK right yet. (Due to EU restrictions).

I am surprised VS did get the go ahead.
 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:35 pm

Better happen or my December roster will be buggered up, I'm rostered a LHR-HKG-SYD-HKG-LHR from 11-19th December!

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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:36 pm

Virgin will commence HKG-SYD on 7 Dec, it has been approved by all authorities. Who do you think hasn't approved the route license? As an airline, I think we should know before we set off! Especially as I am scheduled to fly one next month!

It is not operating as a charter flight but as an extension of the scheduled service VS200 from LHR to HKG.

I guess that seeing a VS -600 in SYD will prove one of us wrong.



 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:35 am

Isn't VS starting 2nd daily to HKG from LHR and that flight continues to SYD? If so are both daily flight VS 200/201?

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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:49 am

Cool!

Can't wait to see those A346's in SYD, and who knows... maybe fly on one of those there too!

Go Virgin Atlantic!!  Big thumbs up

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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:07 am

It's one flight a day LHR-HKG-SYD as an extension of the existing VS200. The idea wasn't to capture UK-OZ traffic but the OneWorld duopoly HKG-SYD route. It allowed expansion without the need of a slot at LHR.



 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 1:14 pm

It hasn't been approved by the EU yet, but HK and Australia may give it approval on a charter basis until EU approval arrives.

 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:02 pm

The launch was delayed from June to December awaiting EU approval, do you know of a further EU approval that is now required?
 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:33 am

So does any one know if the UK to India slots have been allocated as yet. Can't seem to find anything on whether or not the decision has been made. Have heard thought that BD is going to get some to operate MAN/DElhi
 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:35 am


Did the original VS flight to HKG sit on the ground for ages and thus they can add the flight to OZ now? If so does that change flight plans for people who fly VS HKG-LHR? With the flight to OZ and then back I imagine that VS must have to have planes all over the place to keep the original VS schedule ex HKG=LHR flight or does this change things drastically for them? I imagine that QF having already started their QF SYD-HKG-LHR and have a head start against VS and also imagine that CX is promoting schedule/frequency advantages against VS?

Will VS to OZ make money? We shall see!!!!!!

One question with VS operating A340 to OZ are they not planning on takinga big market share compared to operating a 747-400?
 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:29 pm

The A340-600 has the largest Upper Class suite capacity in the VS fleet, the target for HKG-SYD and the reason for operating it against the 747-400.

And yes, they have planes going all over the place to maintain the current LHR-HKG-LHR, effectively doubling the size of the operation on the route.

They have enough problems trying to run simple routes so it should be entertaining to watch!




 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:46 pm

EU ruling on the approval was expected a couple of weeks ago, but has now been delayed till after the new year. As others have mentionned, HKG and Australia have agreed for VS to launch the flight on a charter basis only, pending EU approval.
 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Thu Nov 25, 2004 7:31 pm

Hey

still about VS, does anyone know when they will comence the LHR-DXB??

Want to fly them, there in Feb.
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:09 pm

Cx flyboy,

Interesting news. What is the source? We haven't heard anything about it at Virgin.

 
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RE: VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?

Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:23 am

I'm curious about your two posts. See below. The one to CXfly boy would indicate that you work for VS> The first however, would indicate you do not and if you do it smacks of disloyalty. Ever heard of not airing your dirty laundry in public?


A340Driver wrote " The A340-600 has the largest Upper Class suite capacity in the VS fleet, the target for HKG-SYD and the reason for operating it against the 747-400.

And yes, they have planes going all over the place to maintain the current LHR-HKG-LHR, effectively doubling the size of the operation on the route.

They have enough problems trying to run simple routes so it should be entertaining to watch"

A340Driver wrote "Cx flyboy,

Interesting news. What is the source? We haven't heard anything about it at Virgin."

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