irishjohn
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Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:36 pm



Ryanair will announce changes to it's Italian network tomorrow at a news conference in Milan, scheduled for 2pm!! Maybe a quick fix domestic network to replace Volare??

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BestWestern
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:28 pm

Italian domestic routes are on the cards!

Finally!
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:03 am

Milan North(Lugano) - Rome South (Palermo) anyone ?
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:08 am

JPGH! I'm putting my neck on the line on domestic italian routes.... Why else is he in Milan... But then I had to eat my Ryanair hat yesterday.... two hats in a week is too much.

BGY - CIA x 8 daily anyone?
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:10 am

I'm not doubting it for a second - it's a sound move, if Volare have gone bung and with AZ teetering on the brink, why not ? I think he'd be better off trying to get slots at LIN for CIA/FCO service - BGY is not business friendly, particularly.
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:13 am

For city centre milan BGY isnt favourable, but for Eastern Milan its a great location.

More and more carriers are moving from MXP to BGY.

Easy should go after the LIN FCO market.

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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:16 am

MXP is actually only about 2 or so miles further from central Milan than BGY, so on that basis there isn't much of a problem. However, MXP is connected to central Milan by train (plus coach), which takes, I assume, 30 or so minutes (the coach takes about an hour, if I remember correctly). In contrast, there is only a coach service to and from BGY, which takes an hour. Evidently, there isn't an awful lot in it, really. Naturally LIN is much closer to the centre.
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:22 am

I know there's not a lot to choose between MXP and BGY in terms of getting there from town, but the real money in MIL-ROM is business travel. LIN is MUCH better suited for business traffic than either MXP or BGY - the winner will be the airline best able to tap this market, whoever they happen to be. Also to be born in mind is that soon you'll be competing against high-speed trains city-centre to city-centre. Being stuck out at BGY is not going to help any.
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:28 am

What about domestic flights to/from Genoa to CIA or PSA?
 
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:30 am

Of course! I completely agree with you.

But you have to realise, though, that FR does attract an awful lot of businesspeople on its DUB-UK routes, as they're generally more centre-to-centre orientated. You go on an early morning STN-DUB or MAN-DUB flight, and you'll be very shocked! And I presume that if a businessperson had to go from, say, London to Palermo, a route on which FR has a monopoly, it'd choose FR for convenice than, say, AZ and via FCO. So I'd certainly say FR's DUB-UK routes are generally businessperson-orientated, as are its UK-European mainland/inter-European mainland routes on which it has a monopoly.
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:33 am

BestWestern, easyJet fly into Ciampino, not FCO.
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:36 am

Some AZ fares LHR-CTA/PMO via FCO are cheaper than their own LHR-FCO fares on the same flights, due to the FR and Air Malta competition, I presume.
 
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:45 am

Pe@rson - you are right about FR's DUB routes - and you know why ? Because DUB is Dublin Airport - it's not Dublin South (Waterford). It is therefore convenient for business people to use the route. Similiarly STN-PMO actually goes to PMO not Palermo South (Lampedusa). LIN has tremendous customer-loyalty because it has to be one of the most convenient city airports in Europe to get to, it will take a lot to persuade Italian business travellers to drag themselves to BGY or MXP to fly to Rome. CIA is enough of a gamble, as transport links to the city centre of Rome are better from FCO. Don't compound the issue by making the Milan end tricky as well.
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:48 am

LOL. You'll fly PMO is the actual 'main' airport, like an awful lot of those FR flies to, if you bother to look.  Smile Over half of the airports it serves are the main ones.
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:52 am

Gkirk - Duh.. i know that! They should move to FCO and operate LIN FCO...

" it will take a lot to persuade Italian business travellers to drag themselves to BGY or MXP to fly to Rome"

Will probably take €9.99 fares!
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:55 am

Only half - there's the problem. Half is a LOT ! Beauvais is NOT Paris, Hahn is NOT Frankfurt, Norkopping is NOT Stockholm, Torp is NOT Oslo. Wishing don't make it so. Surely FR must be learning that GBP99.00 business travel is good money, and beats the hell out of luring stag-parties with 99p seats. That is how you develop and grow a route, and sustain your business. Paying higher landing fees at proper airports is just a price you pay for that business.
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:57 am

LOL. It's a business. It exists to earn profit. It does what does and it does it extremely well. That is why it is so profitable compared to virtually every other airline in the world.
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 1:01 am

Nobody actually pays to fly from MXP to FCO or vice-versa, so I can't imagine anybody dragging themselves out to BGY to catch a flight down to CIA, no matter the cost. I flew AZ a couple weeks ago from FCO-MXP and the flight had pretty much only nonrevving AZ pilots and FAs in uniform. The FCO-LIN flights on the other hand were a different story....

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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 1:05 am

Some of the new destinations are main airports, GRX, OPO, VLC, SVQ for example, so the airstrips miles from anywhere isn't always true.
 
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:11 am

hello guys, do you remember Ryanair's logojet "Arrivederci Alitalia" (translate: "Goodbye Aliatlia")?!? Now hopefully FR is doing the long awaited step, jumping into Italian domestic market, FINALLY!!
I agree the moment is perfect, with Volareweb just gone.
As for the possible routes I would say too that LIN would fit much better than BGY for a Milan-Rome flight. Maybe also TFS-CIA and VBS-CIA are possibilities.
However I'm really happy about that, I really hope tomorrow FR will do that!!

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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:28 am

Any new routes to the UK? I can hardly think of any airport in Italy they don't serve. On main land Italy I can only think of two places they could try:Reggio di Calabria and Florence but can an 737-800 land there? I've heard that Reggio has a most difficult and beautiful approach. We'll see, Ryanair have done wonders to aviation in Italy.
 
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:56 am

Some of the new destinations are main airports, GRX, OPO, VLC, SVQ for example, so the airstrips miles from anywhere isn't always true."

There's an awful lot of "main airports" (it would be unfair to say that the people flying into, say, GRO or PIK are only going to Barcelona and Glasgow respectively, for there is the real chance that they'd be going elsewhere (the town of GRO, for example, is a good place in its own right, as is Ayrshire in Scotland. However, for the purpose of this I will not include those airports next to a 'main' airport, unless they are busy with flights from other airlines too, like STN and LTN).

Dublin
Derry
Knock
Cork
Shannon
Newquay
Bournemouth
Bristol
Cardiff
Gatwick
Luton
Stansted
Birmingham
East Midlands
Manchester
Blackpool
Liverpool
Leeds
Teesside
Newcastle
Edinburgh
Aberdeen
Haugesund
Malmo
Aarhus
Esbjerg
Eindhoven
Dinard
Poitiers
Tours
Limoges
Bergerac
Rodez
Nimes
Montpellier
Perpignan
Pau
Biarritz
Santander
Porto
Faro
Jerez
Seville
Granada
Malaga
Almeria
Murcia
Valencia
Zaragoza
Turin
Genoa
Alghero
Pisa
Trieste
Ancona
Pescara
Bari
Brindisi
Palermo
Klagenfurt
Salzburg
Linz
Graz
Wroclaw
Erfurt
Friedrichshafen
Riga

I have probably missed some off as I'm doing it off the top of my head. As you will appreciate, FR flies to considerably more 'main' airports than non-main airports. But you must remember that some of these main airports aren't necessarily large airports, like Ancona or Pau.
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RE: Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow

Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:37 am

'TFS-CIA' is along route, I think you mean't TSF-CIA, VivaGunners