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Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:44 pm

I did a search, couldnt find anything regarding the topic. I used to visit MCI all the time when TWA was there. Since TWA has left, what has become of the facility they had there? Does AA use it now?

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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:16 pm

I only know a little bit but, I will ask my grandfather for more info. He was w/ TW mx in LGA and JFK.
They used to have their hub there but moved to St. Louis in the 80s-i think 80s. Anyway, they had a state of the art mx facility there and quite a few flights even though it wasn't a "hub". They did a lot of overhaul work at MCI. I think that they had simulators too.
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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:28 pm

Last time I flew to MCI was on Braniff International. I bet you could spot tumble weeds quicker than airplanes nowadays.
 
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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:46 am

That great big hanger and complex across the field toward the east of the C terminal building(NW, CO) was the TWA maintenance center. Its now AA but bets are AA will pedal it off within the next three or four years. The state of Missouri gave AA some great incentives to keep it open but does AA NEED it is another topic.

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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:21 am

Don't forget there's also the former TWA Administration Building on the east side of I-29 right across from the overhaul base--called KCAC (Kansas City Adminsitrative Center) that housed employee benefits, telemail (tickets by mail), and who knows what else. The last time I drove by it was up for sale. About 500,000 square feet of office space...any takers?  Smile
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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:26 am

Did TWA still have that F/A training center (Breen?) off Nall in Mission KS, or did they get rid of it? I remember when they were building the thing back in 1969 or so...
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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:53 am

Yeah they did, OPNLguy. Lamar and old US 50 or 63street.
It was opened in the 60's and I believe closed in the eighties sometime.
The buildings are still there but not linked to any airline. I don't know what it is now.
ALSO only a quarter mile away across the four-lane to the north was offices for Vanguard although not at the same time TWA had their complex.
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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:49 pm

Was there a pilot training facility in KC? I believe it was named for former TWA president Jack Frye.

Does anyone know what happened to it?
 
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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:30 am

I remember sitting in the C terminal waiting for my MCI-MSP flight in 1996 ...........looking across the field over towards the TWA hangar......a couple of 747's and a bunch of DC9's sitting there!

For some reason I never took a pic (probably due to distance)......sure wish I would have!! I like others thought the airline would be around forever.

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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:54 am

I found this after doing a search..

http://www.gaco.com/02aps_06pfr_ch1.html
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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:43 pm

As a semiannual visitor to KC, and as someone who for some reason always land next to that base, it's now AA. Usually you'll see some 757's and MD-80's, and if you're lucky, bigger stuff Big grin
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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:01 am

Having lived in KC for a number of years, I kept track of the events involving the merger and such. Still have the articles from the KC Star in a box somewhere... AMR Corp did inherit the base, which was at the time to be used for heavy maintence purposes(D checks I assume) for anything from their F100s up to the 772s. I did see a few silver birds over on the ramp, one of which was a 772 in the bay, however that was back in the early 2000s. Since then economics have changes quite a bit, so owning anything is expensive. The KC maintence base has been on the chopping block before, as was the STL hub several times, as was the hundreds of ex TWA workers that were axed a few months after the merger completed.

Honestly, AMR should have kept TWA around as a wholy owned seasonal/charter subsidary. As for the maintence base, contracting out to other airlines will help out for a bit.

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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:11 pm

AA just announced they're laying off a ton of mechanics at MCI and STL effective 12/3. I recall it's about 150 here at STL and around 400 at MCI. All are ex-TWA.

The last I heard, they were upgrading the old MD-80s with new EFIS systems at STL and MCI. I guess they're finished with that or they canned the program again. It's been an on and off thing for about 2 years.
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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:50 am

TWA reduced its presence in Kansas City around 1983. I was wondering if they made some sort of deal with Eastern? Eastern began their KC hub in late 1983, abondoned St Louis as a connecting city completely leaving it to TWA and Ozark, and at about the same time TWA and EA linked up their FF programs for a while? WAs this all just coincidence?
 
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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:33 pm

I interviewed with TWA at the KCAC back in early 1981. They came to my junior college (Mt SAC in Walnut, CA) to recruit reservationists. We did the interview testing and physicals at the KCAC. TWA gave us passes to fly LAX-MCI for the interview. The eastbound portion was on a 707 (a rather empty flight), my only ride on a 707.

Was one of the three of us (out of fifteen in my group) who got hired. Couldn't complete the training due to college commitments.


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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:41 pm

Very, very sad indeed! One of my favorite airlines!

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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:27 pm

"AA just announced they're laying off a ton of mechanics at MCI and STL effective 12/3. I recall it's about 150 here at STL and around 400 at MCI. All are ex-TWA."

Looks like they're getting rid of ALL the ex TWA staff  Sad A few more years of layoffs, and there will be noone left from TWA. Pretty disgraceful to have killed such a passionate Airline in such a way. Whats worse is how they repeatedly promised to keep them as part of the "family," Only to be backstabbed right after things were all said, done, and set in stone. Forget USAir, Hawaiian, and United workers protesting, Ex TWA members need to protest and get their airline back!

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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:31 pm

Did TWA still have that F/A training center (Breen?) off Nall in Mission KS, or did they get rid of it? I remember when they were building the thing back in 1969 or so...

It's not TWA anymore - the complex is used by Waddell and Reed investments.
 
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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:44 pm

Last time I flew to MCI was on Braniff International. I bet you could spot tumble weeds quicker than airplanes nowadays.

We don't get tumbleweeds in Missouri. And you'd be surprised how busy the airport is, even now that NJ is gone...

Don't forget there's also the former TWA Administration Building on the east side of I-29 right across from the overhaul base--called KCAC (Kansas City Adminsitrative Center) that housed employee benefits, telemail (tickets by mail), and who knows what else. The last time I drove by it was up for sale. About 500,000 square feet of office space...any takers?

Last time I drove by (almost a year ago) there were people inside. Perhaps the last vestiges of the TW crew there, perhaps new tenants...?

Did TWA still have that F/A training center (Breen?) off Nall in Mission KS, or did they get rid of it? I remember when they were building the thing back in 1969 or so...

That was replaced with a facility on airport grounds which later became HQ for Vanguard, and is now the TSA offices. Last time I drove by, there was still some NJ equipment parked outside. Again, that was a year ago...



As for the facility, if I recall AA only wanted to keep it open because it could handle doing a D-check of a 777 (or MD-11, if they'd still had them) from inside the facility, something that their Tulsa facility wasn't constructed to do.

I also remember one of their PR people "promising" that they wouldn't change the old TWA logo on the face of the building. That lasted...

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RE: Former TWA Center In Kansas City

Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:15 am

I am saddened to hear they (AA) are laying off more ex-TWA people.

AA entered into a (IIRC) 25 year lease with the state of MO and Kansas City for the maintenance base at MCI. AA has three bases, DFW, TUL, and MCI (former TWA). It was obvious to all which one would be shut down as AA kept saying they only needed two.

The state of Missouri pretty much paid AA to keep the MCI base open, and they agreed to it. And now they are laying off many of the workers there. What a suprise?

It kind of pisses me off that my home state has paid so much money to a company to keep operating there and then they take the money and run. No wonder Gov. Holden (who I despise greatly) turned down a subsidy deal with AA that would have kept the STL hub largely intact.

STL maintenance base was only around to move the TWA MD83 cockpits over to the AA super 80 standard; supposedly TWA had the switches the opposite way.

Good luck to all of you at MCI & STL.

Moman

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