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The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:07 pm

(Also posted on FlyerTalk)

Maybe I'm preaching to the choir when I say that I feel if you're in Y, you should use the Y bathroom. Tonights first class cabin, EWR to SLC, was overrun by Y passengers not wanting to walk to the back of the plane. Our FA in first did her best to "shoo" the intruders from first, she even attached the rope in effort to keep them at bay.

After about 5 min somebody's kid came crashing through the rope like it was the rope at the finish line, and that action caused the rope to whip the man in 4B in the face as the boy flew by. The boy set a precedent for the rest of the flight, and our FA gave up trying to keep them out. We had people lining up around 4B & C wating for the bathroom, as our FA wouldn't let them wait in the forward galley. As I was seated in 4C, i became even more annoyed as people bumped into my seat as I was trying to eat dinner. So much for a quiet, exclusive first class cabin.

There are two issures at hand here. Issue #1, am I being too picky to not want those in Y camping out in the first class cabin and using the first class bathroom? Issue #2, how does Delta balance the needs of those in first class (by sending the intruders to the rear of the plane) without sounding snooty and pissing people off that are in coach? (I realize they need to be as nice to everyone as possible, as they need every customer they can get.)

Any remarks, ideas, discussion points?
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:12 pm

No I don't think that you are being picky.... you paid for F; they didn't. So they don't get to use the F toilet, eat your food or sit in your seat.

Not sure what the answer is to the second question though, other than just being firm and saying 'no' (easier said than done I appreciate, especially with someone's bratty kid!)
 
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:14 pm

F lavs are for F pax. There is no argument.

As for the little rugrat crashing thru the rope and smacking the guy in the face - better be damn glad it wasn't me sitting there in 4B. That little monster and I and his parents would have had a conversation . . . you can bet that.

No excuse, absolutely no excuse for letting a kid run wild like that . . . on a plane, bus, train, where ever.

I can see the nasty letter from the gent in 4B going to DL already. Righteously so.

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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:22 pm

This has been discussed, in very heated terms in the past. I feel you are, but you aren't being too picky. The lav is the lav. People gotta go. If I was a Y pax sitting directly behind first class, I would want to be able to use the closest bathroom possible. I feel it's a right people payed to have. Now. I have been the First Class passenger on a 757 when the front lav was not in use, while the aft one was full with a line. It was right after the movie, and to top it off, a middle school band was on the flight as well. I generally did not mind them using the front lav, but a line by your seat is anoying. Especially if you are trying to work on private materials on your laptop, etc. I personally don't like people reading over my shoulder and such. As a first class pax, I wouldn't mind at all of Y pax used the lav up front, as long as a line didn't form. That is the rule anyways. You aren't allowed to form a line near the cockpit anyways. So not only would it be helping increase comfort of the F pax, it would also be following the law. I know there are others that feel strongly that Y pax not use the "first class" lav, but I mean...come on. Are we getting spoiled now? It's a bathroom folks, not the seat itself. Are you really going to deny someone with an emergancy when the aft lavs are in use? Are you going to tell that 8 year old to just hold it while the 3 or 4 people in front of him go? That's a little harsh...
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:25 pm

Your discussion matter is well received by me.FC is for FC all airlines make PA's stating the forward lav is for FC we as FA's try to enforce this but at times the pax overrun us and I try to avoid conflict (because people will be people)How ever if a line starts I will intervene..I hope this helps your ? Hope you have wonderful FC experience in the future! And we do appreciate you as our passenger! The DL flight I can not speak for. Happy Flying!
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:30 pm

S12PPL "Are you going to tell that 8 year old to just hold it while the 3 or 4 people in front of him go? That's a little harsh..."

If the little 8 year old can act like a proper person and not run through the aircraft then it's a different story. The example in the original post does not conform to my definition of proper person, period. Harsh as it may seem, that's just too bad. Adults tend to 'look the other way' or simply excuse the actions of a child because that person is a child. I would not. And before anyone asks, yes, I have children, yes they fly with me in F, yes they know how to act in public places. They know there is a time and place to act like an animal and visa versa.

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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:34 pm

It can be very difficult, as a FA, to manage that forward lav. If I keep Y paxs from coming up, no matter how polite I am, I get scolded. Accused of being a stuck up, no good, snooty, FA. Of course I'm following company policy, but that does not matter.

It's a good choice to limit traffic up front, mainly from a safety point, but also if a pax pays for first (thru $$, or upgraded -- hey -- you've earned it!) they also deserve a quiet cabin.

On international flights it's a different matter, it's US law that paxs cannot move forward AT ALL. On my last flight I had a pax screaming at me in first coming back from Mexico. THAT was fun! When you try to explain why (lav next to flight deck--US law--get arrested) they just don't care. I love my job, and all jobs have their downsides...this is it for me!

Funny thing is...those very same passengers who get upset about being denied usage of the forward lav probably would get irate if they were sitting in first class and had people constantly moving forward to use it. Ahhh...human nature!

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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:36 pm

Jpdx-Isn't it an FAA Regulation that passengers must use the lavatory in their own cabin?
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:40 pm

Only on international inbound flights -- at AS it's company policy only on domestic. And I think we're getting sued for it on the domestic side...
 
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:42 pm

jpdx, I do not envy your position. You lose or you lose.

SHUPirate1, if there is an FAA rule, I've never heard of it. Airline policy I'm sure. I recall, pre 9/11 when the F/A would pull a curtain between F and Y there was a polite but obvious sign (on CO or US, I forget) that read simply: Premium Cabin Passengers Only . . .something like that. Between the sign and the drawn curtain, it eliminated the issue nearly completely.

Not any more . . . no curtain, no sign . . . I believe the smaller, single aisle aircraft suffer this problem more prevelently then a wide body with the F and J/Y cabins separated by a couple of lavs, galley, doors, etc.

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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:44 pm

I believe the FAA rule is that people cannot 'congretate' anywhere other than their assigned seat. Which would include a line to the lav, front or rear.

I'd take the kid aside and give a few words of wisdom in a calm quiet manner(enough to scare the crap out of him and go back to mommy crying).

What's more disturbing, is I've never seen a line like that for a lav on a full DL 738 (assuming a/c type here). Maybe the food for sale was stale or something?
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:45 pm

Jpdx I totally agree w you thank you for your post.
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:46 pm

On my flights, the Captain always mentions F lavs for F passengers and Y lavs for Y passengers....and too bad for the Y passenger needing to go to the restroom up front (I tend to travel cattle class most of the time, so i'm in that Y group).............

if a passenger wants to be treated as an "equal", fly an LCC like WN....that way there will be no "classes" present.....

an emergency, i can understand, but premium passengers deserve premium service....end of story....

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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:50 pm

Jacobin777: "the Captain always mentions F lavs for F passengers and Y lavs for Y passengers"

The captian??? or the cabin crew / flight attendants ??>
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:59 pm

People...we're losing something in the translation. It's a toilet. It's not exactly a first class meal or anything. It's a toilet. People relieve themselves in there....That's all. It is a toilet. I don't quite understand how it's a big deal. Now, if it was some exlusive service provided to first class passengers, then I could understand. On most domestic US flights, they don't put anything special in the lav to make it a special "First Class S**tter". If we can't get past the fact that it's just a damn toilet, I think we are getting a wee bit stuck up here. If I'm "paying" lots of money to use the toilet, I might as well stick to coach. Hell, at least that way I'm only paying about $140 to use the crapper. Let's also not forget that most people don't "pay" for first class. They use miles, or executive privilages to bump up from a cheap fare. So before we get all snooty, and yes...if you care who uses the damn toilet, we are being snooty, let's also remember some people payed the same price as you for that seat you are in, you may have only used your miles to upgrade. So, if I found out you used miles to upgrade from that same $140 internet special fare, and you're whining at me for using "your" lav, we'd be having a discussion.

C'mon guys...let's get beyond this...Remember, we use the thing maybe once on an hour and a half flight...4-5 times max on a JFK-SFO/LAX flight. Am I right?
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:38 pm

Every flight I've been on with AA, they have clearly stated that F and Y class passengers should use their respected lavatories. I have never had a problem using the restroom in F class when I'm seated there. no one ever barges past the galleys to come up front.

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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:48 pm

It's a toilet. Just that.
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:51 pm

See Post #2 and Post #5 and Post #9. Nuf Said . . . .
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:58 pm

Yes, it's a toilet. But C/F passengers also respect the quieter cabin etc. F/C class facilities are for F/C passengers no matter if you paid with miles or money. Try using the premium class lav on an Asian airline... First there is a curtain that has a big "FIRST CLASS PASSENGERS ONLY" sign, if that doesn't work the F/A will be escorting you back in no time. The way it should work.
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 7:36 pm

B4Real..you stated...

"The captian??? or the cabin crew / flight attendants ??>"....nopes, the captain!! I might even have the captain mentioning it somewhere on my camcorder (AA738 SFO-ORD), I would have to look for it.....I'm flying again on Friday, so I will pay attention to it..
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 7:47 pm

If I was a full fare paying pax sitting in F (and I assume you mean on US domestic services?) and people were disturbing me persistently, I too would be pissed off. When you pay for an F class seat you expect some exclusivity, privacy even.

Pe@rson's comment that it is just a toilet. Does that mean he would offer his bathroom at home to any passing tramp should they need a number 2?

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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 7:56 pm

I don't agree with some the people here because you should only use what you have paid for. Simple as that. If anyone have ever noticed, F/C class toilets are ever so slightly different to Y class toilets. Having such difference already suggests that people in first/business have paid for the privileges in having such luxury, no matter how small the difference is.

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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:31 pm

I guess SQ for example would love the Y class folks using all the Bvlgari cologne in the F lavs... Big grin
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:14 am

S12PPL:

You're right, it is just a toilet. The thing that bothers me was the congregation around first class. The constant disruption of people walking past and bumping into me or waiting next to my seat.

I may have not paid a first class fare but I did originally pay a mid-level fare on DL (as did my travel companion who was also upgraded), I was changed from an ealier connecting flight to the later non-stop flight getting in much later than I had wanted, and you may not understand the value of a frequent flyer to an airline, but DL does when they award their medallion flyers with those seats. It's a nice way of saying thanks for the $$Thousands I pay DL each year.

I agree the 757 is much better because it has two forward lavs, one behind first and one in front of first. This keeps the intrusions to a minimum.

One other thing that is annoying, medallion members that don't get the upgrade will often use the first class facilities like they are their own. If I don't get my upgrade, I respect the status/fare paid of those that did get an upagrade, and I use the toilets in the back like the rest of Y. Besides, it's often fun to wait at the back and talk with the FAs on their frustrations.
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:16 am

My 2 pee worth. Y cabin should use the toilets in the Y cabin.

Hhhmmmmmm perhaps the airlines should start making Y pax pay for the use of F/C toilets on board. Boy oh boy, I can see it now. $10.00 a pop for the lou
 
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:17 am

I'm surprised Ryanair doesn't sell paper by the sheet on their trolley, to be honest Big grin
 
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:18 am

You could use my toilet, 7LBAC, so I guess I would offer it to tramps.  Laugh out loud
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:21 am

This must be becoming an issue as of late, I flew DFW-BHM in F class on AA a few days ago and twice the pilot stated the lav "protocol" for the Y pax. Until then I had never heard of this. Does not bother me, since I'm not a frequent visitor to F/C, but I can see how this can be an issue to some....
 
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:32 am

hey please dont bash me, not a good day, but basically if someone paid more for a ticket, they sit up front...and yeah they get their F service and all ( i mean first class service, not F'in service lol)

but one time i had to go one way from DAB-ATL and the only ticket left the night before was 466.66 cents, a first class ticket is usually less on that flight and i did find out from a friend who worked at DL in daytona, so...in a rare case, because of timing, i paid more money than some first class pax did to sit in Y...so should i be able to use the front bathroom? probably not...

then again, how often do 10s of ppl need to use the lav at the same time that sit near the front of Y, not often unless they hung out at Taco Bell before take off...

sorry im just being humurous, it's almost friday....sigh...
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:33 am

If I pay an F-class fare, or EARN an F-class upgrade, there are some things I expect. Amongst them are, a better seat, more leg room, a better meal, complimentary drinks, a quieter calmer cabin, AND shorter lines for the lavs. The ratio of passengers to lavs is lower in F-class, and that amongst all the other stuff is a privelege you're getting into with F-class travel which the y-class passengers don't have a right to take away.

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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:28 am

Pilot - humerous but u are right. I think it is another one of those entitlement crap that is currently making the rounds. You know the type - I didn't pay for F/C, but yet I am entitled to use the bathroom whenever I want. etc etc
 
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:51 am

If you paid for the ticket, then I believe you have a right to be upset. However, if you are non-revving/all expenses paid trip or free upgrade then I think its best to keep quiet, those people have the same right as you to be using the lavatory and even moreso, as their hard earn graft is what has got them onto the flight (unless they are freeloaders too  Big grin).
 
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 5:58 am

aerofan i agree with ya about that stuff.... maybe it's me, i am from a third world country and ive grown up in 3rd world countries, ive never been able to get used to being a rightful customer at least about smaller things, so i have trouble fighting for my rights sometimes because in my country, a lot of luck and inside ppl are needed to get certain things done on time...so i dont think i would ever complain that Y pax are using F toilets...to me it's just a toilet... after about 4 hours trans atlantic, all of them are just as filthy with nasty stuff all over the place.

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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:04 am

I think Y class pax could use the F class lav, however they should not be able to line up for it and with only minimal disturbance of the first class cabin. If the Y pax get to rowdy they should be dismissed from the first class cabin (i.e. that young boy who doesn't seem to know his manners)
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:08 am

If I was a FA. I would not allow any Y pax to use the F or J cabin toilet.
 
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:11 am

What's next? hmm I don't like how my seat recline, I'm going to rest in a J cabin seat for a bit.... or I definitely don't like the food that you are serving me this evening in Y, go and bring me something from J or F.

You pay for Y cabin - you should stay there and use the pissoirs assigned to that area
 
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:26 am

QUOTE : People...we're losing something in the translation. It's a toilet. It's not exactly a first class meal or anything. It's a toilet. People relieve themselves in there....That's all. It is a toilet.


You're missing the point matey!!!! We're not saying that the toilet is super-special or anything, it's just that passengers have paid many thousands of £££s/$$$s to sit in a premium cabin, enjoy peace and quiet during their flight and be pretty much assured that when they choose to go to the bathroom, they won't have to queue.

It's a benefit of the product these people have shelled out for.

If you're a Y passenger, you STAY IN Y. If you're a J passenger, you STAY IN J or Y and if you're an F passenger, go where you want. The fact is that if it was suddenly allowed for the (on a BA 777) 162 passengers in Traveller and Traveller Plus to pass through Club, the Club cabin would lose it's exclusivity and would become economy with a bigger seat and better food.

A MASSIVE part of any premium product is the peace and quiet you get from being sat in a smaller more intimate cabin.
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:50 am

"If you're a Y passenger, you STAY IN Y. If you're a J passenger, you STAY IN J or Y and if you're an F passenger, go where you want."


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I had a good chuckle reading this as a few years ago I was in J class on USAir to Charlotte from Gatwick and I decided to have a look at the rest of the plane (as this was a new A330) You wouldn't believe the stares I got when I walked back through the Y Cabin. Their eyes seemed to be saying, "What the heck are you doing back here?!? Go back to your own cabin..." lol.
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:59 am

Fanoftristars, cheers for the reply!

Of course, there's no issue for a F pax touring the rest of the plane or a J pax going in to Y for a walk around, but really, why would you want to?!?!?!

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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:00 am

Does no one read what I type??

I have said at least twice now that as an F passenger, I do not mind Y passengers using the special "first class crapper". I DO mind a line forming up front. At no point have I said "Let them line up". What I AM saying is, when you gotta go, you gotta go. And personally...I have NEVER been shoowed out of the first class cabin using the "first class toilet" by a F/A. Ever. Period. I respect the first class cabin, and don't form a line. I quietly slip in, and quietly slip out. I have never been given the stink eye, either, by anyone. So as far as I'm concerned...Those on this board that think it's such a huge hassle to let Y pax use the damn toilet once in a while that they think is their own by right, are stuck up and spoiled. That simple. Again...It is a toilet. If you wanna guard it with your life and whine to the nearest F/A when some low life Y pax comes to relieve him/herself, be my guest. But as long as I'm sitting near the front in coach, and I have to use the restroom...I am going to use the F toilet if someone isn't in it. Hell, I havn't been turned away yet.
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:01 am

What about the reverse? Flying LHR-BCN on 767 a couple of weeks back CE only covered a few rows and so I had to venture behind the curtain with the ruffians to venture the loo.

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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:05 am

QUOTE : Does no one read what I type??

Nope!



QUOTE : Hell, I havn't been turned away yet.

You haven't been on one of my flights then, mate.

[Edited 2004-11-25 23:07:26]
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:20 am

I sometimes allow passengers from coach into business and business into first if there is a wait for the bathroom, but I make a point of escorting them. I will normally do this if the seat belt sign has either just gone on and they have been waiting for ages or if I know the signs are about to go on...

As for pax going to the rear of the aircraft (first to business to coach) its up to them, the walk in flight can be good for you. I must admit though if you get in the crews way, well, those trolleys don't stop for anyone! hehe

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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:04 am

"Those on this board that think it's such a huge hassle to let Y pax use the damn toilet once in a while"

I don't think it's a problem, once in a while. In fact, I had an emergency once and was trying to get to the back of a single isle plane to use the restroom just as the drink cart was making its way forward. The FAs asked me if I would use the lav up front, and I had no problem walking up. On my most recent flight, however, the first class lav was abused. It ran out of hand towels because of the use so I used tissue paper. Then it ran out of tissues and my friend said she had to use a toilet seat cover to dry her hands. There was trash everywhere. That's not once in a while, and on a 5hr and 10 min flight there's plenty of time where the isle is not blocked by a drink cart, and the rear lavs are easily accessible.
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:23 am

This was much less of a problem before the curtains were taken out as deviders between cabins. Now people in Y just assume they can go to the nearest one and no, it is not "just a toilet"... There is a huge difference between an F class toilet, shared by 12 people on a 10 hour flight, as opposed to one shared by 220.
 
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:29 am

There have been times when because of trolleys being in the way, FA's in Y class have told passengers to use the FC loo as getting to the rear of the plane would be too cumbersome.

On one occasion when I was in steerage, I was told to use the FC toilet by a FA. As I made my way to the loo, the FA in FC informed me that it was for First Class passengers ONLY. I brushed her aside telling her to "Take the matter up with your coworker who advised me otherwise." No, I didn't have the attitude that I somehow had the right to use the facilities in FC, but rather since I had been given permission, I wasn't about to allow some pompous twit mow me down. Normally, I would use the lavatory in the part of the plane for which I purchased my ticket.

I've travelled in FC many times, and it's never bothered me if someone from behind the "curtain" wishes/needs to use the FC toilet. Then again, it was all done very orderly and without disturbing anyone greatly. Should the FC toilet be for FC passengers? Yes, that IS how it's set up. But, there are times when bodily functions will need to take precedence over the price paid for one's airline ticket.

The idea of an ill-mannered 8 year old running loose about the plane is another matter not exclusively related to having to choose the right lavatory. Any child who cannot behave themselves unattended should be accompanied by an adult. And any adult who cannot make their reasonably grown children behave on public transport might wish to take some parenting classes.

I would not blame the child fitself or causing a disturbance. But, I would support the idea of banning the parents from flying the airline in the future. If an adult creates a bad situation on an aircraft, they can be barred. If an adult chooses to inflict a bad situation in miniature by bringing aboard a poorly behaved minor, I see no difference.

Having read some responses on the topic of FC vs. Economy lavatories, I cannot help get the impression that many of the greatest gripers who jealously guard their FC rights and priviledges are more bothered by the notion that urine from the common folk might be mixing with their more exalted urine in the FC loo.
 
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:32 am

soz for the stupid Q but why can't they have a curtain dividing the classes?
 
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:53 am

ok...everyone go before the flight and we'll solve this  Smile

legend: i dont think people assume it, or think it's their right...they need to go to the bathroom, they get up and find the one closest...

as for the toilets...all of them are dirty man...being an F pax doesnt make people cleaner, and being Y doesn't make them dirtier, most ppl pee everywhere because they dont have to clean it up...some people dont even friggin flush.... and still ppl go to the toilets with their socks on and no shoes...amazing...

anyways
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:06 pm

I always thought, F class lavs should be for just F class pax. I hate it, not to discriminate, when kids and elderly pax try to use the F class bathroom and refuse to leave.
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RE: The Use Of The F Bathroom By Y Passengers

Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:25 pm

It is not right to use an F lav while sitting in coach unless u GOTTA GO BAD because then just explain the issue to an F/A and im sure things will be fine but otherwise NO Y PAX IN F CLASS TOILETS.

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