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Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:13 pm

EL AL will start installing an Israeli-developed anti-missle system on its aircraft in December "beginning with one Boeing jet, " according to Tel Aviv daily Haartez.

If the experiment proves sucessful, six other aircraft will be fitted with the system. Reportedly, EL AL plans to ultimately equip all its aircraft with the devices.

Scary stuff!
 
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RE: Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:22 pm

This story seems to resurface every three months...
 
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RE: Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:35 pm

I thought their planes already had this stuff...
 
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RE: Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:46 pm

The existing system consists of infrared choppers that "confuse" the heat-seaking missiles.

From NLC-dailynewsletter>

El Al will start installing an Israeli-developed antimissile system on its aircraft in Dec. "beginning with one Boeing jet," according to Tel Aviv daily Haaretz.

If the experiment proves successful, six other aircraft will be fitted with the system, the newspaper said in an unsourced report in its online edition Wednesday. Reportedly, El Al ultimately plans to equip its entire fleet with the devices.
The antimissile system is called Flight Guard and costs about $1 million per aircraft to install. It was developed by Israel Military Industries together with Elta Systems, a subsidiary of Israel Aircraft Industries. It is unclear whether the Israeli government will chip in to help cover the heady cost of refitting the El Al aircraft. The state no longer holds a stake in the privatized airline.

Flight Guard is designed to respond automatically to an approaching heat-seeking missile, firing flares that act as decoys and divert the missile. Israeli military aircraft have been using the system for years for flights under threat from heat-seeking antiaircraft and air-to-air missiles.

IMI has been working to increase the capability of the Flight Guard flare system and adjust it for use by civilian aircraft. Unlike those used on military aircraft, its flares cannot be discerned by the human eye when fired. This was an essential feature to avoid panic among passengers if they saw flares being fired
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RE: Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:50 pm

Apparently Arkia already has those installed on their fleet :

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This is the aircraft that miraculously evaded 2 ground-to-air missiles in Kenya, prompting speculation of such equipment.

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RE: Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:53 pm

I believe that U.S. manufacturers or airlines or government should take this step, however costly, it sure would rule-out a large number of threats against the industry and all those damn reports out on fox and cnn about possible ways to attack us.
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RE: Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:15 pm

Singapore has actively investigated the use of Anti-missile countermeasures for SQ and other national airlines, but it's all hush-hush (for good reason) so no idea on when the entire SQ fleet has them
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RE: Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:46 pm

I believe that U.S. manufacturers or airlines or government should take this step, however costly

The price tag is $1M for a mid-sized jet as B757.
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RE: Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Fri Nov 26, 2004 8:37 am

Personnaly I would like to see El-Al not only put an anti-missile system, but some missiles of their own, to fight back with. Can you imagine a 747 coming in on a bombing raid?? Scary...
 
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RE: Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:38 am

Any truth in the rumour that BA have fitted similar systems to some of their planes? When they cancelled flights to Nairobi back in 2003 (for about 5 months?) rumour was when they resumed service that some of the 744's had been fitted with anti-missile protection, in response to threats to bring down a British airliner on approach to Nairobi Keyatta....

Anyone know more about this?
 
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RE: Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:51 am

>>>Anyone know more about this?

No, but I don't think they'd be making any announcements either. Any installed IRCM systems should be easily discernable...
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RE: Anti-missile System On Aircraft

Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:55 am

This might sound silly but who would want to shoot down an airliner with 100s of innocent people aboard sounds like a step to far in my books but certain incidents involving missiles has made me think no mentioning any airline or country involved in these incidents.
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RE: Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:17 pm

I believe that U.S. manufacturers or airlines or government should take this step, however costly, it sure would rule-out a large number of threats against the industry and all those damn reports out on fox and cnn about possible ways to attack us.


The problem is our goverment is not really interested in totally protecing us, especially when it is not economically viable. They roll the dice with us and see what they get away with, until something tragic happens, and they have to make a change.
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RE: Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:54 pm

A very good decision irrespective of the cost,considering the Environment where Israel is located.
But what would be the Weight penalty involved.
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RE: Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:25 pm

There is a system already installed and being installed on two us carriers that I am aware of, but these aircraft are flown on intl routes. I do know they were not installed in the U.S. There is about a 8 inch red paint line indicating for ramp ops to stay clear. I havent seen this, but i am told there is no way this can discharge while on a ramp or runway and is not yet even serviceable by the a/l themselves. You know rumors but the cost was about 500,000 per aircraft. There are only 6 so far that have retrofitted and they are not boeings...
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RE: Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:30 pm

Well, like I felt about Air Marshalls after 9/11, I feel regardless of cost our goverment should be spending whatever to protect the it's citizens and all the good people who work in the air.
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RE: Anti-Missle System On Aircraft

Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:00 pm

the experiment proves sucessful, six other aircraft will be fitted with the system. Reportedly, EL AL plans to ultimately equip all its aircraft with the devices

how are they going to test it? Shoot some SA-14 or Stinger while landing?


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