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Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:23 am

From the Chicago Tribune today:

One passenger on an American flight from San Francisco said there were no available gates when her plane arrived at O'Hare around 12:35 a.m. The passengers remained on the plane until 4:55 a.m., she said. While some passengers slept, the flight attendants showed the movie "A Cinderella Story" to keep people entertained.


When I was with United Express, I worked at O'Hare from 97-98 and I've NEVER seen all of AA's gates used overnight... this is a total crock. Why couldn't they just park in the alley, deboard via air-stairs and bus passengers in??? I mean AA has a massive fleet of employee shuttle busses that were probably sitting idle.. but come on! They could have at least opened up the cafeteria at K19 for these folks, rather than throwing pretzels and a movie at them for 4 hours...

although I bet they made the pax pay for headsets!

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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:29 am

Hope they enjoyed cindarela story LOL
cant they use remote stands/buses?
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:32 am

You mean no aircraft departed the whole of ORD for 4 hours ? Time to buy some truck-steps, AA.
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:32 am

"Why couldn't they just park in the alley, deboard via air-stairs and bus passengers in???"

During a blinding snowstorm with an icy mix of snow and slush on the ramp? That's quite a liability. Remember this isn't a standard RON aircraft arriving on a normal night. The entire operation was backed up by 4+ hours. While I don't know about ORD, I have on more than one occasion seen all of Delta's gates at ATL be occupied at midnight. Once they even put themselves on a second-tier groundstop due to gate congestion. So...it is possible.
 
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:35 am

Reports from friends who work at United World Headquarters said it wasn't a blinding snow storm at all.... said Ops were back to normal just after midnight....

maybe all the rampers went home! (very good possibility, considering that the shifts start at 5am @ ORD!)

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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:35 am

Yes, weather was horrid. Better showing a crappy movie then having pax's fall and sue.

I just wonder if the F/A's took a poll. Cinderella Story?

yuck!
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:44 am

The weather may have tapered off, but ops were definitely not back to normal. Ops didn't return to normal until Thanksgiving afternoon. Cancellations and delays due to equipment out of place or crew legality were widespread well into the next day.
 
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:21 am

They will likely get sued, if NW get's sued for that plane in Detroit, then i dont see any reason why AA would be an exception. NW couldnt return to the gate because the airport couldnt clear the snow fast enough, remember, the plane was in line for takeoff when the storm hit fully, and before anyone knew it, there was snow everywhere.

This slightly different, but none the less passengers trapped on an airplane.
 
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:31 am

Actually the cafeteria at K19 was closed after 9/11 due to lack of cash. I tried going there last winter when on break from International but got the bad news.
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:40 am

regardless of a snowstorm or not...........EGE has no jet-bridges.....they de-board via stairs only.....AA should be ashamed of themselves....someone in Operations should have taken initiative to find a way to get them off. Good customer service their AA...
 
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:31 am

CALMSP, what do you mean by EGE? If you mean Eagle, they have a lot of jetways at ORD. I don't believe there is one gate w/out a jetway.


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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:42 am

EGE, the airport near Vail, has no jetways, and snowy conditions for most of the season.

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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:27 pm

No excuse, AA falling down on the job. Tell ya what, I'd have been very pissed off to sit there for four hours, snow storn or otherwise. It's bullsh!t. IMO, AA has some explaining to do.
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:16 pm

If there is a bright side to this story...it was midnight-4, so, hopefully, most people were sleeping and if not, its not like they had an important meeting to get to!
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:40 pm

In looking out my living room window, the snow had pretty much stopped by 10 pm. Now, if the air stairs had become coated in snow and ice, which was the case with my driveway, then taking passengers off in the alley would have been a problem.

But I do find it difficult to believe that AA couldn't have towed a plane from a gate and parked it either by a maintenance hanger or a hard stand, so that another plane could put off passengers and cargo.

As for the cafeteria at K19, a friend of mine who works for AA told me that the cafeteria initially reduced hours, because of the many places to eat in Terminal 3, including the food court at the H-K split. Employees were finding more food choices, even though the prices in the cafeteria were cheap. Apparently, there are a lot of pilots and F/As from other crew bases who like
having extra time at ORD, because they can eat at Wolfgang Puck's spot in the terminal.

Then, it became cost prohibitive to have the cafeteria open during off hours, so the kitchen was closed, and vending machines were put in
 
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:29 pm

I certainly can't speak for AA, but I'm sure they did everything possible to gate all of there incoming flights as quickly as possible. It is quit possible that inbounds had to wait for extended periods due to gate congestion. Outbounds can quickly back up due to connecting crews stuck on other inbounds, unforseen deicing delays, malfunctioning deicing rigs, you name it, it can happen.
 
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:38 pm

Myself and coworkers would always hop in our tugs and go over to K19 for lunch until an AA manager got upset seeing so many UAL ground equipment pieces over on their ramp!

The UA cafeteria at C-Side just lost its luster... the salad/fruit bar was always good, but the canteloupe was iffy.. some days it was perfect, others it was like biting into "water"

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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 3:29 pm

I want to see this story in writing. I was at ORD that night waiting for a departing plane and all the planes went into their gate as the outbounds were just sitting out there waiting. I dont know about 12:30 as I left at about 11 but I dont see this as totally true. If she were on an outbound flight than I may have believed it but all of the inbounds were given a gate.
 
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:00 pm

Oh, so by the article you must think this only happened to AA...riiiiight. I work for United Express that feeds in to Chicago and we had more than half our flights canceled. When checking connections for the O'Hare passengers there were MANY 4-5 hour delays there, on United.

In fact, we had a 1:55pm departure that boarded at 3pm, they sat AT THE GATE with passengers in it for over 3 hours, and then had to cancel!

It just so happened they took the American Airlines flight as an example and now you think it only happened to them.

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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:07 pm

get real, this story is total fabrication, i was there that night and i doubt any AA flight was out on the runway later than 12 midnight, i want to see documentation. sounds like a load of horse poo slander to me. it was a crazy snow storm at ORD regardless of what the precious rampers say.

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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:23 pm

Ya, that night I was working In KROC. We had out 4:00pm Arrival still at the gate when I came into work at 8PM at night with PAX on it and cancel. I work the TKT counter and ramp. Luckly I was on the ramp that night. However our 6pm inbound cancel, our 8pm cancel, our 12am cancel (was a pre of 4am at one point beore canceling) O'Hare sucks and this proves it!!! That same night at KROC UA had their last one from ORD come in at 5:09AM(its a 11:37pm arrival) to make a 6AM turn how about that? Yes this all sucks but this is ORD we are talking about. They have problems becuase its too sunny out, and Segmentking you should know this if you worked with UA Express!!!!!!!! At ORD durring a snowstorm with so many CNXD flights where do you think the planes go? They sit at the gate. Ya the ramp crew could have pushed a plane off the gate for you, but do you think they were even there? Or care about you? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its ORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:12 pm

In 1997, ORD wasn't as much of a clusterfuck as it is now. This is back in the days when AWAC was down at B22 and had a few flights leaving the E Gates, again, this is prior to the massive "RJ" build-up that causes back-logs.

Atlantic Coast and Great Lakes Dispatchers would normally cancel a flight if it was to be delayed 2+ hours. Air Wisconsin would normally axe flights if they were "estimated" to depart after 1230AM due to union work rules. The absolute latest departure I can remember from ORD was one of our Sioux Falls, SD flights that normally leaves at 920PM and it departed a little after midnight... a good way to tell for us openers how bad it was the night before was to count the # of planes on our ramp.... we (ACA included) only had 4 planes on the average, and sometimes we came into work with a full ramp (28 planes), NO JOKE!

I believe that on this particular holiday there was a push to operate *every* flight, regardless. But in all honesty, in 2 years, I never remember an airline pushing back past midnight unless it was scheduled (Mexicana & Taesa come to mind). I do remember countless nights where our gates (F1 - F5) became hotels and my agents became "waitresses and waiters" offering pillows, blankets, water, and juice. We'd even open up commissary and pass out snacks and munchies to passengers with our tickets.

Btw, I don't hate AA... and I do believe the Chicago Tribune over other media sources, I just think this is profound. At least when planes divert they can sometimes pull up to the gate and deplane their passengers; I did this once flying PHL-FLL on US once... due to tornados we circled for an hour then landed @ PBI and I got the hell off... this was at 430PM... the plane finally landed in FLL at 10pm that night.


Link to the story:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0411260109nov26,1,7229395.story?coll=chi-news-hed

Story:

O'Hare tries to get back up to speed
Storm left many sleeping at airport


By Virginia Groark
Tribune staff reporter
Published November 26, 2004

The winter storm that hit the region Wednesday wreaked havoc on air travelers, forcing hundreds to sleep at O'Hare International Airport and leaving scores more stranded in airplanes for hours after they had landed.

About 300 people spent the night at O'Hare, according to Annette Martinez, spokeswoman for the Chicago Department of Aviation. Even Thursday, after the storm had cleared, O'Hare was experiencing up to 30-minute delays as the airport tried to resume normal operations, she added.

The storm hit on one of the busiest travel days of the year. It was bigger and lasted longer than expected, complicating matters for some of the airlines, officials said.

American Airlines spokeswoman Mary Frances Fagan said the storm's icy nature and problems with the airline's de-icing trucks added to the delays. Nine American flights departed between midnight and 5 a.m. Normally, the airline operations finish around 10 p.m., she said.

"We didn't cancel deeply because we had heavy loads," she said. "So we were trying to run everything and not cancel flights because it would have been an even bigger mess today."

One passenger on an American flight from San Francisco said there were no available gates when her plane arrived at O'Hare around 12:35 a.m. The passengers remained on the plane until 4:55 a.m., she said. While some passengers slept, the flight attendants showed the movie "A Cinderella Story" to keep people entertained.

Meanwhile, some American employees who were supposed to leave at 10 p.m. were still working at 5:30 a.m. Thursday to help fix the situation, Fagan said.

"We were doing the best we could with the conditions we faced with the type of storm we had," she added. "Mother Nature just wasn't cooperating yesterday."

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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:39 pm

That is absolutely scandelous!

Who ever is liable - I would sue them for false imprisonment or Being Held Against Your Will! (Im Kidding!)

I complained after having to wait 10mins when US Airways had to queue for a gate to become free at LGW. (I was tired and restless after an 8hr flight).

Surely the authorities could have parked the aircraft up at another gat even if it was at a different terminal.
 
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sat Nov 27, 2004 9:51 pm

Well at least the PAX got their moneys worth, of the seat I mean.

When I worked for United we had to wait and hour and a half for a gate and another time we diverted to an airport where they did not have steps high enough to reach the aircraft!

It happens to the best of airlines (and in UAL's case, the worst).

What’s going on with LHR at the moment, when I was there a few weeks back loads of Virgin Atlantic aircraft & UAL aircraft where parked at outer stands, I guess it must have something to do with BAA's refurbishment of T3?

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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:03 am

To be honest the story does not surprise me. I have sat on AA's 777 at JFK for two hours waiting for a gate; sometimes an hour. Apparently, according to an FA only Gates 8, 9 and 10 are equipped for 777 aircraft. During peak hours (6-9pm) if there are delays etc. inbound aircraft have to wait. Which begs the question why couldn't they park at a remote stand and bus us in. I would guess there are Customs issues, etc.

But this four hour wait . . . unacceptable. I would have written a letter to Customer CAAre and requested the equivalent of the mileage back to SFO since 4 hours is approximately how long it would have taken. Thing is . . . they'd probably give it to you.
 
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:15 am

Yes you may think this story is bad but i was at that airport from 4p.m. to about 11 or so and then we had to wait for the deicing and then we had to wait for this UA plane to takeoff because of weather where it was heading,supposedly. It was just bad. It was just a mess with every airline there. AA should not be picked on as UA was just as bad.
 
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:59 am

Since the newspaper did not seem to take the time to get a comment or verify this delay with AA and since passengers tend to tweak facts, I dont take much truth to the entire story until some more facts such as the offical on and in time of this flight are presented.

 
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:08 pm

Until AA depeaked ORD, it was very common for flights that landed early to either take a long route from the runway to the gate or to sit in the penalty box waiting for the gate to open.

As a friend of mine who flies 757s and 767s for AA used to say, "Landing 10 minutes early means 20 minutes late into the gate."
 
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:15 pm

BTW, I should ask, which American flight was this? I'm guessing AA554, but obviously, I'm not sure.
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:34 pm

I guess its best to book through a southern hub during the winter. It was 65 degrees in Dallas on thanksgiving.
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:37 pm

Ejmmsu-actually, the irony about this is, last time I flew during the winter and experienced a delay (other than on United Express/Atlantic Coast Airlines' we're cutting our ties to United so we don't really care if our planes are eight hours late, we're going to fix this inoperable seat even though the flight is half empty campaign), was on United from ORD-IAH, and I got out of ORD with no problem, the issue was congestion going into IAH (this was last 12/27, BTW), which made us get into IAH an hour late.
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sun Nov 28, 2004 4:16 pm

And as bad as the wait for a gate was on that SFO flight 554/24November, there was an LAX flight that:

Flight 1002/24November. 737-800
Skd to depart LAX at 17:25 PST
Departed 83 minutes late at 19:02 PST
Took off at 19:02 PST
Landed ORD at 00:43 CST
Got to gate L4 at 05:09 CST
That's a 4 hour 26 minute wait for a gate.

But they got there! Same day service too! For a snow storm, that's good.
 
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:21 pm

I flew flight 554 from SFO-ORD.....fortunately it was on the 26th (couple of days ago).....man, talk about deserted airports..I thought SFO was some small county airport is was so deserted....... and 1/2 the gates at ORD were empty!!!!
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sun Nov 28, 2004 6:00 pm

Until AA depeaked ORD, it was very common for flights that landed early to either take a long route from the runway to the gate or to sit in the penalty box waiting for the gate to open.

As a friend of mine who flies 757s and 767s for AA used to say, "Landing 10 minutes early means 20 minutes late into the gate."


From what I hear, AA has some weird contractual stuff going on with their rampers and their Union. If their planes come in early, technically (according to their contract) it is cutting into their break time and they do not have to go out and meet the plane until the scheduled arrival time. Aircraft will sit on the ramp half-way to the gate, engines running and all, until the scheduled time.

I'm not familiar with ORD at all, so I'm not sure how their shifts work...but seeing the time frame we are talking about, I'd take a wild guess that it's possible there is some fine print somewhere in their contract that deals with who's responsibility it is to work a flight under those circumstances, or what is to be done given the situation (like remoting the plane and using stairs, etc.)

I'm sorry if I'm presenting AA in very poor light here, but the things I have learned about their operations have shocked me. And right now, I'd say due to the airline's current situation, employees are becoming very bitter and will not go out of their way to do any favors for the airline. You might say, well it's their job to do whatever it takes to get those people off that plane under the circumstances, but...right now, if any kind of fine print does exist that states they don't necessarily have to, then they wont.
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:47 pm

Why doesn't someone check the AA flight arrivals from SFO-ORD on the said date and put and end to the speculation once and for all.
 
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:22 am

Had a similar thing happen the other day where we landed on the runway rigth next to the K Concourse, then kept going making a complete loop around the airport before coming back to K and parking at our gate.

I don't see why this AA plane in question couldnt have gone to the international terminal.
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:45 am

I flew flight 554 from SFO-ORD.....fortunately it was on the 26th (couple of days ago).....man, talk about deserted airports..I thought SFO was some small county airport is was so deserted....... and 1/2 the gates at ORD were empty!!!!

that's exactly why I posted this thread... there should have been no reason, with exceptions that the 830PM bank were still at all of their gates (at 1230AM!), for this plane to not have an available jetway. ORD is a ghost town at nights, and I believe United only has 20 RONS, as does AA, leaving at least 20 to 30 gates open for each individual airline.

I guess that's why this story sounded wierd to me, as the only time ORD's ramp is closed is due to lightning within 3 miles or so of the airport.

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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:31 am

It happened to me when I flew from SLC-ORD. We had to wait two hours, and I missed my connection to LGA. I was transferred over to the next flight.
 
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:02 am

AA must of had the biffys serviced when sitting on the deck waiting for that gate. At DTW a few January's back, the biffys were overflowing because of no service trucks available(not manned because the storm keep most the afternoon shift from arriving and many of the day crew had slid on home as best they could.
Also on some of those NW planes, the F.A.s were real dinks not letting the people get up and walk around or even use the john. The F.A.s told the pax if they got up, they would be"interfering with a flight crew, a felony". Now admitted those Gestapo tactics were used only a few on many NW planes waiting for gates that were buried in snow thanks to the Wayne County snow crew that pushed ramp snow toward the gates. That will not happen again.
DTW now has new procedures to move the snow around the terminal area.
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:10 am

I called dispatch one night to find out when our last inbound would depart ORD and he explained to me that the rampers got off at 900pm so the planes were sitting there waiting to be pushed. Luckily, two crew chiefs stayed and went down the line pushing planes until the next crew arrived.

I purposely booked through ORD Dec. 19. I want to see the winter weather up there, and I know a hot little gate agent working up there. Big grin

Yeah, I'm gonna need some proof of that 4hr wait. Gives me a reason to talk to that hot little gate agent! Big grin

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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:01 am

I purposely booked through ORD Dec. 19. I want to see the winter weather up there
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:48 pm

Here are the details for AA and AE at ORD on November 24 from 2:00pm CST on... (Can you tell what the arrival rate into ORD was set to by the FAA?)
Between 2 and 3pm, 29 flights out of 31 operated on average 2:04 late with 30 minute taxi in time. Flight 3903 from MLI ran 6:00 late.
Between 3 and 4pm, 27 flights out of 30 operated on average 2:37 late with 37 minute taxi in time. Flight 4198 from GRB ran 6:31 late.
Between 4 and 5pm, 27 flights out of 33 operated on average 3:38 late with 70 minute taxi in time. Flight 4194 from GRR ran 8:34 late.
Between 5 and 6pm, 27 flights out of 37 operated on average 4:02 late with 81 minute taxi in time. Flight 4127 from SYR ran 7:09 late.
Between 6 and 7pm, 27 flights out of 35 operated on average 5:23 late with 119 minute taxi in time. Flight 1054 from STL ran 7:02 late.
Between 7 and 8pm, 17 flights out of 37 operated on average 5:07 late with 130 minute taxi in time. Flight 2082 from ATL ran 7:56 late.
Between 8 and 9pm, 17 flights our of 35 operated on average 6:02 late with 170 minute taxi in time. Flight 1496 from IAH ran 7:57 late.
Between 9 and the last flight at 11:10pm, 15 out of 19 flights operated on average 6:29 late with 168 minute taxi in time. Flight 1754 from TUL ran 8:26 late.

And that SFO flight 554 on November 24....
Scheduled at 4:40pm PST, Left gate at 6:14pm (94 minutes late)
OFF SFO at 6:53pm PST
Landed ORD at 12:37am CST. Arrived at gate H10 at 4:56am (4:19 taxi in)
 
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:10 pm

Don't be bitching about 2 hour waits... could have been a lot worse had a lot of UA Express flights cancelled that would have come in. Easily you could have seen 6-8 hour delays where you saw only 4. Quit your whining. Is everybody gonna bitch about how bad DFW is if they get a ton of T-STORMS this coming summer. There is nothing that can be done about that bad of weather that ORD had on Wednesday night.
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:45 pm

Between 8 and 9pm, 17 flights our of 35 operated on average 6:02 late with 170 minute taxi in time. Flight 1496 from IAH ran 7:57 late.

Average 3 hr taxi time! Average Six hour delay! 50% of flights cancelled!

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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:31 am

Don't forget FLG Flagstaff has snow and no jet ways.
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RE: Fly AA And Wait... 4 Hours For A Gate

Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:56 pm

I talked to a UA captain on the ORD employee shuttle one day who told me that back when he flew the DC-10, one day they taxied out in a snowstorm, couldn't get off, then returned to the gate and cancelled over *10 hours* after they had originally left the gate, due to gate congestion and the snowstorm. That's a gate hold!
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