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Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:21 am

Continental is planning a very substantial expansion at LAX for 2005, mostly tourist destinations in California, Colorado and Mexico. American said they will respond. Is UAL just going to sit idle while this takes place?
 
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:28 am

American needs to respond with a daily to RDU.. it's long overdue!
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:30 am

UA is having some problems with Express Carriers..I dont think the can do much about it.. There aren't any plans besides Montrose CO and 3 Mexico cities are there ???

FAT-IAH is rumored to be the next Coex dest. anyone know how BFL-IAH is doing ???
 
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:33 am

I think Cospn hit it right on the nose. They will probably respond with UAEX, just as the expansion from CO is all COEX at this time.
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:57 am

Montrose and 3 Mexican cities are official. Palm Springs is rumored. But there is no way in hell that the expansion is going to stop there.
 
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:01 am

I hate to be the person who asks but, are there any sources or are these expansion talks just rumors?
I've heard the FAT-IAH route but nothing else big about LAX.
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:24 am

The COEX expansion into MEX from LAX is a done deal. I helped build the routes, and I believe we are selling seats on them already.
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 9:43 am

Even with CO's expansion at LAX their total ops is quite a bit smaller than AA and certainly UA's.
However UA does happen to be adding additional Mexico flying from both SFO and LAX this winter.
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 10:13 am

"Montrose and 3 Mexican cities are official. Palm Springs is rumored. But there is no way in hell that the expansion is going to stop there."

There will probably be some more expansion, but it's highly unlikely that CO's old home will regain even focus city status - CO management is big on keeping the airline focused on its core strengths (IAH, EWR, and CLE), and will shutter the LAX services in a heartbeat if the alternative is a major bloodbath with another legacy carrier.
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 10:35 am

how is AA supposedly going to respond??

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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 10:51 am

I fail to see how these four new routes are anything United should be concerned about or need to counteract. Continental at LAX is pretty small, I believe number seven behind UA, WN, AA, DL, NW and AS. These routes are also not served by other carriers, so it's not like their declaring war on another major by going after established routes. The day you see CO going LAX-SFO/DEN/ORD, then UA will have something to respond to.
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:12 am

It may not be anything to worry about for UA at this point in terms of direct competition, but it's certainly a lost opportunity for UA not to capitalize on small markets in Mexico that have been proven very profitable for CO here in Houston...UA could definitely use it.

I still believe they will wise up and use UAEX to compete. After all they did say that they were going to focus on the international markets.
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:16 am

i agree with 737-990

there is not much to defend with CO going after these markets

in any event, if CO were to start flying LAX-SFO or LAX-LAS or LAX-MIA then I would definitely give them a shot...these are routes that i fly often, often, twice yearly respectively.
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:47 pm

Just because CO is adding a few P2P routes does not mean that they are "going after" LAX or attacking UA. LAX is a pretty broken up airport because of its location and O&D traffic (number 1 in the world), with lots of carriers competing. Given the nature of UA's ops vs. CO's, CO would have to completely restructure their ops to worry UA in the slightest. CO does not have flights to feed at LAX with their routes, except for HNL which is mostly O&D, with some funnel traffic from CLE, EWR and IAH, and already goes out full because of people traveling from to/from Guam.
In short, UA is not defending LAX because there is nothing to defend against
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:13 pm

It's rather interesting that Continental is adding more point to point flights to what used to be their main base of operations and World Headquarters...nice to see Continental returning to its routes. It's interesting to note however that Continental's original stronghold, a network of local roots between New Mexico, Colorado and the west of Texas, has been totally obliterated over time. Few airlines have shifted their geographical focal points around as much as Continental.

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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:14 pm

CoEx already serves PSP from IAH.
 
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:16 pm

The BFL-IAH and IAH-BFL flights are doing very well... Generally yielding at least an 85% load factor in each direction ( Some flights going out 95-100% too depending on certain dates and times )
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:38 pm

At this point and time, COs ops at LAX are not strong. But like I said, little by little, their presence is going to increase. This is going to happen quick.
 
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:01 am

Has Co thought about the following:

IAH-BUR-IAH, either mainline or express, would do extremely well, even EWR?.

Or a point to point like LAX-PHL-LAX or is out of the question with the closeness of EWR to PHL? Was thinking someone might want to start thinking about that line with the uncertantity of US.
 
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:47 am

What is united going to say?

"don't you DARE enter LAX to Oxnard or we'll... we'll... we'll"

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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:12 am

Anyone have any flight and aircraft info on expanded CO flights?
 
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:58 am

I think that UA and CO are starting to compete heavily out of LAX to Mexican Destinations. I think ultimately that both of them will take the rites to LAX-ACA and that UA will up its service from LAX-ZIH from once a week to 3 times then 5 times then 7 times. I then think that CO and UA will be good competitors out of LAX to Mexican Destinations but I still think that AS will be at the top. By the way does anybody know who has the rights to LAX-ACA if anybody does??

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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:11 am

Delta has rights to LAX-ACA. Left over from Western days. DL operated the route until a few years ago.
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:16 am

Western, then Delta, flew LAX-ACA into the mid 1990s.

Maybe I am missing something here, but I do not see a huge competition developing at LAX on the Mexican routes......Alaska is the dominant US player, AM and MX serve the markets as well, America West has opened some routes with super-sized regional jets, and now CO is looking at some niche markets and UA will add limited service here and there mainly as weekend operations. I do not foresee CO jumping into the mainline competition to the Mexican resort cities......instead they will utilize regional jets on certain routes (where there is no competition and some business traffic) where there is lots of money to be made due to good yeilds.

As mentioned above, aside from a unqiue niche opportunities, CO is not looking to expand point to point services and will continue to focus on its EWR, IAH and CLE hubs......I do not think that a major build up of services out of LAX is in CO's plans.
 
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:42 am

Doesanyone in here it might just be a springboard for the return of a CO hub in LA? Ahhh...memories of the pre-Lorenzo days....*sigh*
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:49 am

Seems to me UA has nothing to defend against...at the moment. Unless the information regarding expansion is publicly known, how is UA to respond to a 'rumored' competitive incursion?
The CO/COEX LAX additions are not aimed at what would be considered primary markets of UA. MTJ is not an alternative to DEN (much less the fact that MTJ is a seasonal flight.), the Mexico service is to areas that UA has not had a prescence. Also, the Mexico routes are not oriented strongly to either business or resort/leisure travel.
If CO does expand at LAX, perhaps we'll see LAX-GUM, maybe LAX-SAT or LAX-MSY.
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:33 am

If CO does offer service from LAX to Mexico, I can see them being offered at times/days that complement the large existing AS service to/from Mexico from LAX, offered as AS/CO codeshare flights.

CO will try and expand at the least amount of cost possible, as they know it's only a matter of time before they're looking at a fire sale over at US, and would love to get their hands on many of the pricey DCA slots that could potentially hit the market.
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:35 am

For anyone not familiar, on 12/16/2004 COEX will begin service between LAX and AGU, BJX, and MLM.
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:41 am

UA is not defending LAX against CO because CO poses no real threat to their operations at LAX. It's gonna take a lot more than a few regional-operated flights to Mexico for CO to even come close to having a operation there the size of UA's. UA's not worried. AA seems to try to defend territory that's not even there's, they always have. They're gonna learn that they need to defend their turf at DFW, ORD, MIA, JFK, BOS, LGA, and maybe LAX, and leave everyone alone. AA has lost quite a few battles against other carriers recently, FLL being a prime example.

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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:39 pm

HP will be starting mainline service from LAX to ACA on Saturdays only beginning Dec.18. It's already selling great..the first day it's full. Does DL still own the other slot?
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RE: Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:12 pm

Would you happen to know which aircraft that is being operated by??

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