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US 321's: Is A Reconfiguration In Order?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:19 am

Presently, US Airways has their Airbus A-321's configured J26, Y143. Is there any reason why US Airways has a plane that does a fair number of leisure runs (a PIT-FLL flight, in addition to several CLT/PHL-Florida and CLT/PHL-Caribbean flights) configured with 26 first class seats, when, for those runs, less first-class seats and, as a result, more coach seats, would probably be more beneficial.
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RE: US 321's: Is A Reconfiguration In Order?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:24 am

Well I suppose if they can't fill the first class seats but they can fill economy seats then it would seem to make sense. However, could they afford to be reconfiguring aircraft at the present time?
 
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RE: US 321's: Is A Reconfiguration In Order?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:33 am

I believe that initially the 321s were going to be used on transcons, where there is more first class demand, and the 757s were supposed to shift to Florida routes exclusively. The 757s were reconfigured.
 
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RE: US 321's: Is A Reconfiguration In Order?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:37 am

Werent those aircraft initially meant to do transcontinental runs?


Hence the large number of premium seats..
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RE: US 321's: Is A Reconfiguration In Order?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:59 am

Just to continue with the posts above, the intent was that the A321s would fly transcons and other high-yeild high demand flights while the 752s, which now have much smaller F class cabins (I think that the US 752s only have 8 seats upfront), would fly lower yeilding routes such as flights to Florida.

As pointed out, some A321s have remained on lower-yeilding routes to Florida and possibly the Caribbean....the allocation system is not perfect. This is one of the problems of an airline having different strategies for different markets and then trying to tailor specific aircraft to certain types of markets, the wrong aircraft with the wrong type of configuration will at times end up flying the wrong route....the situation is similiar to when AA eliminated MRTC on its 757s and A300s, when a 757 would due a BOS-LAX flight (for example), business pax were treated to the less comfortable aircraft.
 
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RE: US 321's: Is A Reconfiguration In Order?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 9:19 am

The A321's still do the trans con flights.

Whenever I have connected in PHL or CLT from/to my European flight I have always flown on an A321 to LAX, SFO and LAS.

I understand the A319's operate the Seattle and San Diego flights.

First Class has always been full and economy has been pritty much as full too. It was a diifferent story when I took a US code shared flight operated by UA from PHL-LAX there was 26 passengers on the whole flight.
 
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RE: US 321's: Is A Reconfiguration In Order?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 10:25 am

I think it was a STUPID decision to downgrade the first class section on the 757 fleet to just 8 seats...I don't know what the frigg they were thinking at the time, but rumor has it they realized that it was obviously a big mistake and will probably increase the 757 f/c seating back to at least a respectable 16 seats. Remember, it used to be 24 seats. As far as the A321 goes, I always thought the 26 seat f/c cabin on that plane was a bit too large. I think a maximum of 20 f/c seats would suffice for the US A321 aircraft and the routes they use them for.
 
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RE: US 321's: Is A Reconfiguration In Order?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 10:33 am

I understand the A319's operate the Seattle and San Diego flights.

I flew RDU-CLT-SAN and SAN-PIT-RDU.. both the CLT-SAN and SAN-PIT flights were A321.
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RE: US 321's: Is A Reconfiguration In Order?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:09 pm

MSY will see scheduled A321 service as of 2/7. One daily CLT roundtrip. The only routes which see consistent F-class demand from here are to places like IAH, ATL, DFW, DCA, and LAX, all the big business markets. MSY-CLT is not a big business market, so I don't think we'll see all of those 26 F seats get filled up. Then again, maybe they know something I don't.
 
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RE: US 321's: Is A Reconfiguration In Order?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:17 pm

"Then again, maybe they know something I don't. "

...US knows that it's about to become (at least temporarily) the largest operator @ MSY in terms of daily frequencies, leapfrogging against Delta (who will continue to offer the most capacity by far).
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RE: US 321's: Is A Reconfiguration In Order?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:53 pm

those F seats will most certainly get filled out of MSY.... with non-revs!! :P :P :P

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RE: US 321's: Is A Reconfiguration In Order?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:10 pm

>..US knows that it's about to become (at least temporarily) the largest operator @ MSY in terms of daily frequencies, leapfrogging against Delta (who will continue to offer the most capacity by far).<

When did Southwest pull out of MSY?
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RE: US 321's: Is A Reconfiguration In Order?

Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:37 pm

Actually every time I've tried to non-rev out of Orlando on US (which is mainly the 757s) it's always been full and i've had to hop on another carrier.

So I think at least in the case of Orlando, the reconfiguration of the 757s for short hauls (CLT-MCO) was actually a bright idea. The yeilds may not be high but now with more customers it's a better chance of making money.

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