pilottj
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North Bay Regional Airport

Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:19 pm

Hey folks

A while back I heard talk here in the Bay Area of the need for a north bay regional airport. With Horizon possibly comming here to STS, that may be a start. If we extend rwy 14-32 by 500' we can bring in RJ service they say. Direct service to wine country would be a money maker I think. That would be great but I would really like to see somthing along the lines to compete with the big bay three...SFO, SJC, and OAK...you can count SMF too for the people who live in the north east bay.
So what about the possiblity of a north bay airport? Do you think the bay area needs or has the capacity to support another airport? The possible airports in the North bay would be STS(Santa Rosa), APC(Napa), or CCR(Concord). Another great idea someone had was to re-open old Hamilton Field and turn it into a regional airport. The runway is already there and would probably need some work done. However the noise-abatment nazis in Marin Co. would never stand for it, they would rather sit in traffic on US-101. Anyway if you are familiar with the area and it's politics, feel free to chime in.
Cheers
TJ
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UAXEMB120
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RE: North Bay Regional Airport

Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:31 pm

Famillar with the Bay area, and i love the idea. Santa Rosa has capabilites for RJ and EMB120 service to airports like PDX, SEA, LAS (alliegant??) and i am salvating over the thought of having one more alternative to Bay area travel, i mean the Wine Country would certainly attract people who would come for honeymoon travel. Anyways, where did you here that Horizon was interested in STS?

I am sure that people would love to see a terminal decorated with Peanuts cartoons and check in at a Festive Horizon ticket counter. I know i would.

PS: Would CIC count as "North Bay"? because they get UAX service...........i wouldnt count it, but some might....
 
pilottj
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RE: North Bay Regional Airport

Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:51 pm

UAXEMB120

I have heard rumors from flight instructors and other pilots that Horizon might spare a Q400 or two here. I know they have been in talks with city council and airport managment. Also they repainted the 'restricted' line around the terminal ramp the other day, which is a good sign. A fellow from the Eureka area indicated that if it is indeed Horizon, it would be STS-LAX service, similar to ACV. Other airlines have been talked about too but I think the Horizon deal is the closest to completion. I am sure you can remember pre-9/11 Skywest/UAEX 120s going to SFO and LAX and what a relief it was not to have to deal with 101 traffic. CIC is a great run for Chico State kids though I think it would be too far to be considered a bay area airport.

Cheers
Tj
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JoFMO
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RE: North Bay Regional Airport

Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:25 pm

On my old UA route map from 2000 there are flights from Santa Rosa to LAX and SFO. Does anybody know which frequency they offered pre 9/11?

And have I understood you right, that Santa Rosa lost all its commercia scheduled airtravel after 9/11?


I think it would be a good idea for UA to reinstate flights to Santa Rose. The next airport for people from North Bay seems to be Oakland. But how is traffic on highway 580? And it also shows that Richmond-San Rafel Bridge is a toll bridge. How much is one crossing?
 
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RE: North Bay Regional Airport

Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:32 pm

or just add a damn high speed rail link from the Bay Area to Sacto so I can avoid all three bay area airports completely.
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scutfarcus
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RE: North Bay Regional Airport

Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:38 pm

Hamilton Air Force Base would have been ideal for a limited service airport to relieve North Bay people from driving all the way to SFO/OAK... but not a chance with 1000s of wealthy neighbors opposing it (http://www.militarymuseum.org/HamiltonAFB.html)
 
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RE: North Bay Regional Airport

Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:05 pm

Here at CCR PSA briefly operated CCR-LAX-CCR.


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I feel that airlines won't be able to make prices low enough to keep the ticket prices low enough yet still make it a profitable route. I think that the rail system would benefit more people than just airline passengers. That would mean more job opportunity's for those who wish to work in/around the city. BART is here for a reason, they have the right idea just are a bit slow in their production rate. Coming from Orinda into SFO isn't that BIG of a pain. It's just the right times and timing what time you leave. But then again I'm more of an East Bay guy than North. But I can't imagine it's that much worse.

Thanks again.

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pilottj
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RE: North Bay Regional Airport

Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:22 pm

JoFMO,

When I travel, I usually go to OAK because fares are usually a few dollars cheaper. It is a little farther than SFO but not that much longer to drive with average traffic(crappy). The Richmond bridge is free going east bound, but $3 dollar toll going west. At least it isn't the G&G bridge charging 5 bucks to go to SF. The airporter bus costs about 25 bucks one way to either SFO or OAK, ironically it picks up passengers at STS. From what I remember, the old Skywest/UA Emb 120s were pretty frequent. I am sure UAEXEMB120 knows more about that. For a small airport, STS has pretty good facilities, Check in counter, a small beltway for bags, Cafe, more than one rental car company. Horizon would be a good start and if they are sucessful, others may join. Hopefully UA can find a good carrier to do the contract work, but I think it may be awhile for them with their financial troubles. I used to live in Napa, and that was almost an equal drive time from SFO, OAK, or SMF.

Speaking of Rail, there was recently an intiative to put passenger service on existing tracks called SMART(Sonoma Marin Area Rapid Transit or somthing). It was to have run from San Rafael to Santa Rosa and then possibly up to Ukiah. Sonoma voted yes and Marin voted no...no doubt opposed by the same wealthy people who oppose Hamilton. Well when STS starts bringing in wine country tourists that bypass Marin county, they may start to think twice...who knows.

TJ
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N593HA
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RE: North Bay Regional Airport

Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:24 pm

Wow, I'm glad, that the people in the Bay Area finally realize that they need more rail service.
The my opinion the best way to serve San Rafael-Santa Rosa-Ukiah would be using tilting-technology trains. Those trains lean into a curve like a motorcycle. This really accelerates things up on winding lines.
The existing Amtrak California Capitol ((San Jose-Fremont-Hayward)-Oakland-Richmond-Martinez-Fairfield-Davis-Sacramento) and San Juaquin (Oakland-Richmond-Martinez-Fairfield-Stockton-Merced-Fresno-Bakersfield) services need to be upgraded to an at least hourly service each.
The Caltrain Service San Francisco-San Bruno-San Mateo-Palo Alto-Sunnyvale-San Jose-Morgan Hill-Gilroy needs to be upgraded to a 30 minute frequencies plus additional limited stop service.
(What about starting a threat on that topic on airliners.net?)

I think a Horizon STS-LAX service would be great. First to go by car to SFO or OAK is a pain in the bud as there almost a 100% guarantee did will sit in traffic somewhere along the way!

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UAXEMB120
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RE: North Bay Regional Airport

Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:35 am

Skywest/United Express used to fly STS-SFO and STS-LAX service on Embraer's, Previously, WestAir had offered only J31 service to SFO. The service was cut after 9/11 because it was not profitable, as you could imagine. Skywest is trying to preserve these small airports (CIC, MRY, VIS, RDD, ACV) and horizon is also making pushes for gates in these cities. I think it awsome that you can fly One stop from anywhere you want to go from these cities via SFO Or LAX.



 
pilottj
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RE: North Bay Regional Airport

Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:58 am

I seem to recall some kids movie a few years ago about some twins(kids, not airplanes)who were trying to reunite their divorced parents and had a shot of a Terminal at 'Napa Regional Airport' with a b1900 or somthing. I think that was the only part of the movie that really made me laugh. If someone knows more, please enlighten us  Big grin
TJ
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UAXEMB120
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RE: North Bay Regional Airport

Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:44 am

thats the remake of parent trap with lindsey lohan circa Late 90's........
 
BlatantEcho
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RE: North Bay Regional Airport

Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:07 am

Lol, Hamilton airfield........

Got busted years ago for 4x4 with friends on the airfield. They burried a load of semi-bad stuff, and are flooding it for wetlands.

All the hangers were converted into business building years ago, and the homes are probably all done by now.

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This country needs rail between corridors very much, SEA-PDX, etc. And on a smaller scall like we discuss here. Will it happen? Doubt it, has the government ever funded projects like these? Not for a while........

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pilottj
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RE: North Bay Regional Airport

Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:09 pm

Too bad, Hamilton was in a good location, I do like the 40s hacienda style architecture found on many old bases like Hamilton or March AFB.
I too would like to see development of the rail system here. I think you used to be able to catch a train from Willits or Ukiah and take it up to the Eureka area. But I think with the Auto industry's influence in goverment, rail development will always be held back.
Oh well lets hope that STS is sucessful in bringing commercial traffic. I have been on STS ground freq. and heard more than one biz jet recieving clearence to SNA or VNY. Plenty of winos with biz jets here and at APC.

TJ
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RE: North Bay Regional Airport

Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:17 am

CCR is currently under study to be closed and redeveloped into over 6,000 housing units, shops, schools, and parks. It will be interesting to see what the FAA will have to say.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/11/16/BAGK19S3A41.DTL
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pilottj
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RE: North Bay Regional Airport

Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:03 am

Thats sad to hear about CCR, I hope AOPA will put up a fight. If the city of Concord has recieved federal funding from the govt for the airport then they aren't supposed to be able to close it. If they do close CCR, most of that traffic would probably go to Hayward, Napa, or Livermoore probably. Napa already does have the JAL flight school.
TJ
God was my copilot, but we crashed in the mountains and I had to eat him...

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