EZYman
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Career Prospects In The US

Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:40 am

I'm currently studying Aviation management at university in England, afterwards I am interested in coming to the US and starting a career in aviation there. My degree is aimed at going into the airline industry if you don't want to fly or be an engineer, so mainly planning, operations, strategy and general management. I currently work part time as a passenger service agent, this is good work experience for me to get into other positions here in the UK, I have also had work experience weeks in Easyjet and BA operations departments. With this experience and an Aviation Management degree behind me I would like to think I would be very employable here in the UK after I have graduated, would this be a similar case in the US?

Does anyone know what the recruitment is like at the moment, I know US, Delta and United are struggling at the moment, along with most airlines, but I assume there must still be some good career prospects in airlines? What is the best way to get into an airline, through passenger service like how I would be doing here? Also I know BAA(British airports authority) now own or have some share in some airports there, would this be a viable way into the industry? Also I'm sure there are some prospects in the business jet industry and the FAA?

I would be able to obtain a work visa so that would not be a problem. My main worry is with the state of the industry, would there be good career prospects, and what is the best way into the industry? If anyone has any tips I would be very thankful?

 
sevenair
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:54 am

Prospects may be goo, but u wil probably strugge to get a visa, especially saying as it is to do with aviation. And to America, if you are foreingn and looking at aviation, you are proably a terrorist, but good luck
 
EZYman
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:20 am

Please put the visa issue aside, I can get a visa. I would just like to know career what career prospects there would be, and how likely they are, and any tips for the best way to get started.

Thanks once again
 
efohdee
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:42 am

I am wondering the same myself, and I live here in the US. So much has changed in the last few years. I constantly hear about layoffs and bankruptcy with major airlines. The regional carriers might be better and the low cost airlines also, they might pay less though. I dont know. Good question.
 
Aither
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:45 am

Maybe the cargo aviation is doing better ?
Never trust the obvious
 
G550
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:15 am

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Dalmd88
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:57 pm

My I think you should runaway from aviation in the US as fast as you can. The entire industry is a mess for the foreseeable future. There may be some jobs but those few stable airlines could be in trouble next. Why get into a field where you are always wondering will I have this job tomorrow?
 
EZYman
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:12 am

Come on!!!!!

There must be someone out there who works in the industry that can give me some confidence or good advice, or is it all really that bad??????
 
phatfarmlines
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:43 am

Ezyman:

If US or other air carriers fold, there will be a larger pool of qualified candidates that have previous airline experience. Competition for jobs will get extremely tough in the United States. This is some food for thought.
 
ordflyer
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:03 pm

Ezyman, unfortunately I'll have to agree with the posts above that reccomend to stay away. Things are just so unstable right now that its impossible to say what jobs will or won't be available in the future. Since you're already over in Europe I would think that your job prospects are better there. There are so many different airlines in Europe, and the industry over there seems to be doing quite a bit better than here in the US.
That's my opinion, coming from someone who just recently changed majors from aviation to business (I'm still flying on the side though) because of the bleak job prospects.
 
MxCtrlr
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:10 pm

I've been in this industry for almost 30 years now. I've been in good times and bad and overall, I wouldn't change my career choice (although I kid about it all the time) for anything in the world. While there will always be layoffs and closings, and that makes it tough, sticking with this industry in the lean times, make the good times that much better.

If aviation is what you want to pursue, then keep those who try to discourage you at arms length. Advice is everywhere. Go with your heart and your gut and then push everything else aside to get your goal (the same as with meeting any other goal - identify it, prepare for it and go for it with everything you've got).

You'll meet a bunch of cynics in this industry. If US Aviation is truly what you want to do, then ignore the cynics and push for it with all your heart, soul and mind. If the first thing you think of when you wake up in the morning (or night, as the case may be  Smile) is aviation, then you are supposed to be in aviation.

Feel free to e-mail me directly with any questions or just to chat if you like. Always happy to help someone who loves aviation so deeply.

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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JetSOUTHEAST
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:14 pm

Don't bother coming over here for jobs, our industry sucks. Yeah, you probaly will be accused of being a terrorist, heck, I get looked at as a terrorist when I want to take airplane photos. Our country has gone down, royally. It is sad when President Bush cant speak to the Canada House of Commons because they despise him. I dont blame them, and I am embarassed to say I am an American (I was embarassed in Mexico). Stay where you are, try to get into the industry there.
 
nonrevman
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:25 pm

Aviation is getting to be less desirable for a career choice here in the US. Many people here, including myself, thought it would be desirable at first. With job positions and wages both going down to meet the cost of operating an airline, I think this is going to be a job for someone trying to go to school or maybe a part time thing to make a little extra money. At least for the near future, it is a miserable prospect for a career choice. Having your wages drop while you work harder and constantly wondering if you will have a job or not in the next few months is what most of us look forward to. Alas, I will go on furlough soon with thousands of other people. Many of those people will look to other carriers for jobs, so needless to say, the job market will be saturated with aviation qualified people.

If aviation is really your dream, then dont let the situation stop you from trying. However, consider yourself warned.
 
Av8trxx
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:47 am

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Danny
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:55 am

"Please put the visa issue aside, I can get a visa."

I wonder how. It sounds like you don't have required experience so you don't qualify for H1B (the annual cap of 65000 is over anyway).

Student visa J is not an option for work in aviation. You would have to study in US and work part time which I bet is not your intention.

So unless you win a green card in lottery you have no chance of legal employment in US. Especially in aviation.
 
EZYman
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:33 am

Thanks for your help everyone, I'm not going to be put down just yet!!!!
 
efohdee
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:21 am

Mxctrlr: I agree totally with what you said, you made my respected list. This industry has a way of weeding out those who dont fit. If you love it you'll make it just hang in there.
 
netdhaka
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:05 am

So unless you win a green card in lottery you have no chance of legal employment in US. Especially in aviation

Citizens of UK do not qualify for DV lottery.

For DV-2006, natives of the following countries are not eligible to apply because they sent a total of more than 50,000 immigrants to the U.S. in the previous five years:
CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, EL SALVADOR, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PHILIPPINES, RUSSIA, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and VIETNAM. Persons born in Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR and Taiwan are eligible.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants_types_diversity3.html

 
avek00
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:12 am

Your best bet for an aviation career with excellent opportunities for advancement and opportunity lies not in America, but in the Middle and Far East. I'd strongly trying to get onboard with the likes of an Emirates, Singapore Airlines, or Cathay Pacific versus struggling to get your foot in the door at a troubled US airline, which will be doubly difficult, since most US carriers will absolutely not consider sponsoring visas for entry-level managerial positions.
Live life to the fullest.
 
JetMechMD80
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:34 am

"Don't bother coming over here for jobs, our industry sucks. Yeah, you probaly will be accused of being a terrorist, heck, I get looked at as a terrorist when I want to take airplane photos. Our country has gone down, royally. It is sad when President Bush cant speak to the Canada House of Commons because they despise him. I dont blame them, and I am embarassed to say I am an American (I was embarassed in Mexico). Stay where you are, try to get into the industry there."


While I am not going to debate politics with you, I would suggest that if you are as "embarrassed" to be an American, as you claim. Perhaps you should look into relocating to a country that you could be proud off. This country may not be perfect, and we may make some mistakes, (show me one country which doesn't), but I am not ashamed to call myself an American, and I am getting a little tried of those people who say they are. Leave. The United States of America has nothing to be ashamed off. This country has a history of coming to the aid of people all over the world. BTW: How much many countries came to our aid after the hurricane's wiped out half of the state of Florida this year? People, especially people who live here, tend to forget the good this country does.
"I get along great with nobody"~ Billy Idol
 
dl1011
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RE: Career Prospects In The US

Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:05 am

"Don't bother coming over here for jobs, our industry sucks. Yeah, you probaly will be accused of being a terrorist, heck, I get looked at as a terrorist when I want to take airplane photos. Our country has gone down, royally. It is sad when President Bush cant speak to the Canada House of Commons because they despise him. I dont blame them, and I am embarassed to say I am an American (I was embarassed in Mexico). Stay where you are, try to get into the industry there."

Since you are so embarassed, let me know what country you would like to live in and I'll BUY you a one way ticket.