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LH DC-10 Enroute FRA-BGR-LAX Real, Or Error?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:22 am

This afternoon while viewing the local traffic arriving into the area airports on flytecomm.com, I noticed LH 8252 enoute to BGR from FRA. The equipment listed is a DC-10. Can anybody tell me if this is an error, or indeed fact? I'm positive this type hasn't been an active part of the fleet for at least ten years now. Right now at 5:20pm EST time, this flight has departed BGR and enroute to LAX? My curiosity has gotten the best of me today. If anybody could tell me what this is about I would appreciate it!

Lufthansa Flight Number 8252
Departure City (Airport) Bangor, ME (BGR)
Departure Time 11/28/2004 02:11 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Los Angeles, CA (LAX)
Arrival Time 11/28/2004 06:36 PM
Remaining Flight Time 04:22
Aircraft Type McDonnell Douglas DC-10 (all series)
Current Altitude 35,000 feet
Current Groundspeed 407 mph
Flight Status In Flight

Airline Lufthansa
Flight Number 8252
Departure City (Airport) Frankfurt, Germany (EDDF)
Departure Time 11/28/2004 11:23 AM
Arrival City (Airport) Bangor, ME (BGR)
Arrival Time 11/28/2004 12:40 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type McDonnell Douglas DC-10 (all series)
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived
 
AAplatnumflier
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RE: LH DC-10 Enroute FRA-BGR-LAX Real, Or Error?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:25 am

If that is in fact true than I am going to go head out to LAX. Somebody please verify this!!

Thanks in AAdvance!!
 
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RE: LH DC-10 Enroute FRA-BGR-LAX Real, Or Error?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:27 am

The high number would suggest either a codeshare or a cargo flight? Perhaps LH Cargo have leased a DC10 in? I can't think of any other explanation.

The most far out description I can think of, is that it's an AMC charter, since World usually operates them & they tend to stop over in Bangor. I have no idea what a LH code would be doing on that flight.
 
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RE: LH DC-10 Enroute FRA-BGR-LAX Real, Or Error?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:31 am

If this is fact true, and I could have had this confirmed to me, I would have driven two and a half hours from PWM to BGR this afternoon to see it for myself. Earlier, while enroute to BGR, the continuation to LAX had not been posted. I just noticed it a while ago when I rechecked, half expecting to see the this flight either continuing to Victorville, or Goodyear... Or have been corrected to MD-11 cargo equipment..
 
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RE: LH DC-10 Enroute FRA-BGR-LAX Real, Or Error?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:34 am

Indeed, all Cargo flights start with 8xxx. This is leased equipment from Gemini Cargo.
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pwm2txlhopper
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RE: LH DC-10 Enroute FRA-BGR-LAX Real, Or Error?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:37 am

Aww, I knew it was too good to be true!
 
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RE: LH DC-10 Enroute FRA-BGR-LAX Real, Or Error?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:55 am

It might be a charter by World Airways. I think they are carrying cargo LH.
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RobK
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RE: LH DC-10 Enroute FRA-BGR-LAX Real, Or Error?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:13 pm

GCO DC10-30F.

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Vikingair
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RE: LH DC-10 Enroute FRA-BGR-LAX Real, Or Error?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:17 pm

Actually it's World Airways DC-10-30 reg N304WL....
 
PanAm747
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RE: LH DC-10 Enroute FRA-BGR-LAX Real, Or Error?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:21 pm

From a 1988 LH Timetable: There was one daily 747 non-stop FRa-LAX, and on Tuesdays, an LH DC-10 one-stop routed FRa-YUL-LAX (flight #452), and a Thursday LH DC-10 one-stop routed FRa-BOS-LAX (flight #456). Both return flights were non-stop LAX-FRa.

In subsequent editions, those two particular flights disappeared. I wonder if they had any 5th freedoms on the Montreal-Los Angeles route.
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RE: LH DC-10 Enroute FRA-BGR-LAX Real, Or Error?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:29 pm

Yes, it's a World DC-10F reg. N304WL (like already mentioned) operating for Lufthansa Cargo. Normally there is no flight FRA-LAX on Sunday.

There was a technical problem (not sure what) on one of the LH's own MD11 last week and FRA-LAX flight was cancelled - I believe this flight was leased to help to recover the cargo from the cancelled flight!


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KBGRbillT
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RE: LH DC-10 Enroute FRA-BGR-LAX Real, Or Error?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:20 pm

I was working the ramp @ BGR the night this flight arrived and actually fueled it (final fuel load of 138,000 lbs.) It was a World DC-10-30F N304WL flying cargo for LH on its way to LAX.
 
pwm2txlhopper
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RE: LH DC-10 Enroute FRA-BGR-LAX Real, Or Error?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:35 pm

That's a coincidence. World DC-10 N304WL operating for LH Cargo with an aircraft that started its life as a LH bird.


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