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Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:07 am

ALASKA AIRLINES ANNOUNCES EXPANDED SERVICE FROM
VANCOUVER, BC TO WEST COAST HOT SPOTS

SEATTLE—Alaska Airlines announced today that it will begin new nonstop service between Vancouver, Canada and San Diego on February 13 with an introductory fare of $74 each way. Additionally, Alaska will bolster its existing service between Vancouver and Las Vegas and Palm Springs.
The flights will feature both coach and first class seating, along with Alaska’s award-winning customer service.
The introductory fare of $74 each way, or $148 roundtrip, is valid on new nonstop flights from Vancouver to San Diego, Palm Springs and Las Vegas. Just purchase tickets by December 10 and travel between February 13 and April 30, 2005.
“This is a natural expansion of our West Coast network and it reflects our commitment to Vancouver as we add strategic routes and new cities to meet customer demand,” said Gregg Saretsky, Alaska’s executive vice president of marketing and planning. Saretsky noted that Alaska has successfully grown its presence in British Columbia to 12 daily flights from Vancouver, with additional service from Kamloops, Kelowna and Victoria via sister carrier Horizon Air.
In February, Alaska and Horizon Air together will offer more than twice the number of daily transborder flights between British Columbia and the U.S. than any other airline. The carrier is also launching a new Visa Platinum Card in Canada this month, which offers cardholders the opportunity to earn miles for credit card charges and a host of other benefits including a $50 (USD) companion ticket and first class upgrades.
In summary, the new flights include:

· Daily service between Vancouver and San Diego. Southbound flight will depart Vancouver at 7:10 a.m. arriving in San Diego at 10:06 a.m. Northbound flight will depart San Diego at 10:46 a.m. arriving in Vancouver at 1:47 p.m. Including connecting service, Alaska will now offer 26 daily flights between Vancouver and San Diego.

· Seasonal service between Vancouver and Palm Springs. Flight will depart daily, except Sundays and Thursdays, from Vancouver at 2:27 p.m. arriving in Palm Springs at 5:18 p.m. From Palm Springs, the flight will depart at 5:58 p.m. arriving in Vancouver at 9:02 p.m.

· Two additional flights per week, for a total of nine weekly nonstops, between Vancouver and Las Vegas. Flights will be added on Thursdays and Sundays departing Vancouver at 2:27 p.m. arriving in Las Vegas at 5:04 p.m. From Las Vegas, the flight will depart at 5:44 p.m. arriving in Vancouver at 8:35 p.m. The new flights supplement Alaska’s existing daily roundtrip service in the market.

For the introductory fare, the following fare rules apply:
Fare is valid on nonstop flights only. Fare is not valid for travel 3/18/05 through 3/20/05 or 4/7/05 through 4/10/05. Seats are limited and may not be available on all flights. Not included in the fares shown: GST of up to $8, NAVCAN surcharge of $7.50, U.S. transportation tax of $34, Vancouver airport improvement fee of $15, Canadian security fee of $10, U.S. immigration fee of $10, U.S. security fee of up to $4, and U.S. airport fees of up to $7. Fares are nonrefundable and other restrictions apply. See alaskaair.com for complete details.
Travelers looking for a vacation getaway can take advantage of Alaska Airlines Vacations, with airfare, choice of hotels, airport transfers and optional tours or rental car all included in one affordable package, available online at www.alaskaair.com.
Alaska and its sister carrier, Horizon Air, together serve more than 80 cities in the United States, Canada and Mexico. For reservations visit www.alaskaair.com. For more news and information, visit the Alaska Airlines Newsroom at http://newsroom.alaskaair.com.

[Edited 2004-11-30 00:08:36]
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:24 am

"Alaska will now offer 26 daily flights between Vancouver and San Diego"

Something doesn't seem right there.... what do they mean by that?
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Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:31 am

I assume Alaska's YVR-SAN service has nothing to do with America West recently announcing service on the route? It'll be interesting to see because AMX is using a CRJ 900 while Alaska claims they'll have first class on the route indicating it'll likely be flown with a 737. This is just further evidence of Alaska's dominance in Vancouver of west-coast transborder routes.
 
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:32 am

The carrier is also launching a new Visa Platinum Card in Canada this month, which offers cardholders the opportunity to earn miles for credit card charges and a host of other benefits including a $50 (USD) companion ticket and first class upgrades.


Great - these RC201 companion coupons haven't been enough of a pain already, so let's offer 'em to people in Canada as well!  Insane
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:35 am

I think that would be a typo because AS will have 26 daily flight out of YVR. I believe they currenty have 24, but I am not absolutely sure on that.
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:55 am

Looks like Alaska is trying to beat America West to the punch. I always thought that they would put a Horizon RJ on this route, but maybe they figure the larger jet will attract passengers away from AWX. Yet another route that AC will have a tough time cracking into, if and when they start it.
 
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:56 am

Great news! This can't have anything to do with America West's recent announcement Big grin. I'm still surprised that HP beat AS to (re)open this market. At this point, I'm not sure if two carriers can survive on the route, at least in the first few months of operation. HP has an advantage in the use of a smaller aircraft, but Alaska has a much stronger presence in YVR. Both are pretty much equal at SAN. We'll see who blinks first.

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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:03 am

When does America West Express start flying the route?
 
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:21 am

Also just announced...

Alaska Airlines Announces Expanded Service From Anchorage to Phoenix and Las Vegas

SEATTLE, Nov. 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Alaska Airlines announced today that it will begin new nonstop service between Anchorage and Phoenix on June 5 and it will extend the schedule of its new Anchorage to Las Vegas flights to operate throughout the 2005 summer season.
The flights will feature both coach and first class seating, along with Alaska's award-winning customer service.

"This is a natural expansion of our West Coast network and it reflects our commitment to add strategic routes and new cities to meet customer demand," said Gregg Saretsky, Alaska's executive vice president of marketing and planning.

In summary, the new flights include:

-- New service between Anchorage and Phoenix. The flight to Phoenix will
be departing daily at 12:05 a.m. arriving at 6:35 a.m. From Phoenix
the departure is at 8:00 p.m. arriving in Anchorage at 1:10 a.m.
Including connecting service, Alaska now offers 16 daily flights
between Anchorage and Phoenix.
-- More flights between Anchorage and Las Vegas. Flights currently offered
in the winter schedule also will be offered in the summer. The summer
flight to Las Vegas will be on Friday, Saturday and Sunday departing at
12:10 a.m. arriving at 6:14 a.m. From Las Vegas, the departure is at
6:47 p.m. arriving in Anchorage at 11:10 p.m.


Separately today, Alaska announced that it will begin new nonstop service between San Diego and Vancouver, B.C. on February 13, 2005. Additionally, the carrier will expand service between Palm Springs and Vancouver, B.C. and Las Vegas and Vancouver, B.C.

From Yahoo! http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041129/sfm087_1.html


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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:47 am

Harmony also announced that it'll be flying daily YVR-PSP on a 757. Going to be a crowed market!
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:26 am

ANC-PHX is another recent addition to the HP network--is Alaska going to war?

When does America West Express start flying the route?
They will start in early April--a few weeks after Alaska.

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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:39 am

"ANC-PHX is another recent addition to the HP network--is Alaska going to war?"

AS has always been in a war on the west coast... they are very good at what they do... and they have been successful in defending their "niche"....

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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:29 pm

Very interesting...typical competition wars. I wonder if HP will start LAS-ANC now! Our PHX-ANC flight has been doing very well. It probably won't have much of an impact as we have a lot of connecting traffic from cities AS doesn't fly to. AS will have to rely more on O&D traffic.
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:15 pm

>I assume Alaska's YVR-SAN service has nothing to do with America West recently announcing service on the route? It'll be interesting to see because AMX is using a CRJ 900 while Alaska claims they'll have first class on the route indicating it'll likely be flown with a 737. This is just further evidence of Alaska's dominance in Vancouver of west-coast transborder routes.<

If AS says they are launching a flight, then it is always an Alaska flight. QX sends out their own releases when it deals with their flights.
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:01 pm

Damn...you know I should have seen Phoenix coming. This of course is in response to HP. The top 3 markets from ANC for HP (for non-stop and connecting pax) is PHX,LAS,and LAX. This is very good use of over night planes in ANC. Make money, fly the plane! Thats my motto  Smile....!

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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:10 am

Hmmmmmm......wonder where the aircraft for these new routes are coming from? One guess is that more flights out of Portland will go to QX to free up these planes. Slowly but surely, Portland will end up being a Horizon city, as we have been told that our Flight Attendant base here is over-staffed by 100.
 
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:05 am

Mauilono...well I did post last week that PDX-ONT loses AS service in March. That is one MD that can be deployed to replace a 737, which all these new flights are. We will have a freed 73G in March when the first -800 comes online and goes into SEA-EWR.
The ANC red-eyes are just deployment of current RON a/c. PDX will be close to an all QX city if the economy doesnt rebound.

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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:04 am

It's been really interesting to watch over the past few months as Alaska and America West/Express go head-to-head in an increasing number of markets. Express has introduced service in the following markets already served by AS: LAX-YVR, LAX-MZT, LAX-PVR, LAS-YVR, SAN-SJD. And now, AS is going to start service in the new HP markets of PHX-ANC and SAN-YVR.
 
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:10 am

What is even more interesting is that HP is able to go head to head and still keep it's mainline fleet away from the action. They are letting HPX connect the dots and AS is having to respond with mainline service. I wonder who has the advantage there...
 
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Wed Dec 01, 2004 5:17 am

OAG shows a 737-400 on SAN-YVR from February.

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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:29 am

this past week, alaska only operated twice daily on the phx-portland run, is that just for the holiday, or is that permanent? if so, looks like america west won that route
 
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:34 am

Flyboy...We have 3 scheduled flights on PDX-PHX. The most I have ever seen on the route was 4, so I wouldn't start saying HP is winning routes. Besides, this is not a new route for either airline. I think we have been referring more to the new flights. Since HP has started Mexico we have seen no change in our pax loads. EA CO AS may have more accurate numbers.

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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:58 am

you are correct, must have been a holiday reduction on fri/sat as i tried booking 3 relatives to get to phx, they only showed on the web the two earlier flights
 
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:35 am

Yeah...we had some flights here at SFO not operating as well the rest of the system. I assume most carriers did the same. Why fly empty plane!

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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:38 am

There was a time where we offered 5X daily PDX-PHX service, but even then it was during peak times only. The economy in PDX has been REALLY poor over the past few years, which is why AS has been allocating their jets to other markets and having QX CRJs take over some of the flying where it makes sense.

FWIW, the Mexico numbers have been increasing, actually. The ANC-LAX flight was aimed squarely at taking some of the profitability from HP's ANC-PHX (and flights to Mexico), since flying ANC-PHX-Mexico was better than what AS had with ANC-SEA-LAX-Mexico.

Now that the ANC-PHX flight has been added, look for AS to aggressively market it to the O&D base, meaning HP might take a hit on their service.

Personally, I think there's plenty of traffic in that market to go around, especially with the flow to both AS and HP's various connection options. I think AS just got fed up with watching HP being the only game in the nonstop market and realized there WAS money to be made there.

I've already heard from many MVP Golds who are ECSTATIC over the new ANC-PHX flights and plan to make them part of their normal travel plans.
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:25 am

Since HP has started Mexico we have seen no change in our pax loads.

So far, America West Express has been operating the Mexico flights with 86 seat CRJ-900s. I don't think they operate more than one flight per day in any of these markets. Considering that AS flies aircraft seating between 120 and 172, with mulitple daily frequencies on routes such as LAX-PVR, I wouldn't expect the new America West service to be making a serious dent into Alaska's marketshare. However, the fact that America West also offers service to the same Mexico destinations out of Phoenix could be reducing Alaska's connecting traffic through LAX.

One route I don't understand is LAX-YVR. HP is just flying the one CRJ-900 while AS has 5x daily mainline and AC has 4x daily. I would think HP would need better schedule frequency in order to compete.
 
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:32 pm

However, the fact that America West also offers service to the same Mexico destinations out of Phoenix could be reducing Alaska's connecting traffic through LAX.

On the contrary - that's primarily what the ANC-LAX nonstop was designed to do; funnel traffic from ANC to/from the Mexico flights so travelers would bypass HP and their PHX connections.
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:04 pm

Why would someone want to fly HPX from LAX-MZT, PVR, YVR when AS, AM, MX, AC fly these with mainline AC and have inflight service of some sort however it might be? Not me. If I couldn't get out on a certain day, I'd re-arrange my travel plans. AS is doing the smart thing.
 
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:56 am

The HPX LAX routes are doing VERY well. The YEG in particular is full almost everyday...I was shocked about that. The YVR loads are very good too. PVR is of course doing well...the MZT flight is not full all the time, usually though on the weekends. I think we are just taking advantage of the route being available. We really don't plan to have huge frequencies, they are just trying to please our LAX market (which is huge BTW). It provides convienence to pax living in the LA area that don't want to connect through PHX or LAS.
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:58 am

It provides convienence to pax living in the LA area that don't want to connect through PHX or LAS.

Actually, it's more like it provides the convenience of an alternate carrier when AS is full or has sold out of the cheap seats on their nonstop mainline service.

Flying a Mesa CRJ vs a mainline jet on AS is hardly a convenience, IMHO.
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:03 am

Yes it is an alternative carrier, but it is a convenience for OUR pax in LAX that don't want to connect through PHX or LAS. A lot of travellers are loyal to the carrier they fly the most. We have a lot of those in the LA area. Despite their problems, the YV CR9 is a very comfortable aircraft. Of course I prefer a larger plane myself, but if I was a frequent HP flier I would still pick the HPX flight.
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:05 am

A lot of travellers are loyal to the carrier they fly the most.

True, but more and more (especially with leisure travelers), it's the overall cost that is the primary driver. Offer a fare for even $5.00 less than the someone else, and the public will beat a path to your door.

It's sad, really - there was a time that service was the thing that set carriers apart from the competition. Today, not many people care as long as it's cheap, clean, and safe.
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:25 am

With the arrival of the new A320's in Q1 2005, I hope and expect that HP would lauch ANC-LAS and ANC-LAX in the future.

There is no reason whatsoever for AS to beat HP in the ANC-LAS/PHX market. AS would only be stronger in their ability to provide feeds into the ANC area. However, HP should be able to kick AS around in feeding LAS and PHX.

Once HP gets those new A320/319's they need to start taking on AS in the intra-CA/westcoast market. I'm sure Mesa would be happy to provide service to LAX from smaller communities.
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:06 am

EA CO AS...R correct me if Im wrong. But in response to Byrd's remarks, I think we have some very loyal passengers in the Southwest. I'm not really expecting HP to kick our a$$.

Byrd. Your remarks seem a little biased. Not to fact based. And actually HP is looking at intra-CA service. But that wouln't compete with AS at all. We fly 1 SFO-LAX and some OAK-SNA. Thats all for intra-state. We have no intent on starting any Cali routes.

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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:46 am

As739x ,


Byrd. Your remarks seem a little biased. Not to fact based.


While I do prefer HP, I think I kept my statements based on fact. A simple comparison of route maps would show that AS is strong in alaska because of their ability to feed smaller communities into ANC. While HP is strong in the Southwest due to their ability to feed into PHX, and LAS with LAX growing.

AS would win if the traffic is originating from smaller cities in Alaska, but they'd face stiff competition for the O&D traffic to/from ANC as there would be no compelling reason to only fly AS.


And actually HP is looking at intra-CA service.


Not that I'm doubting you, but where did you hear this? I've been waiting for this for years.


But that wouln't compete with AS at all. We fly 1 SFO-LAX and some OAK-SNA. Thats all for intra-state. We have no intent on starting any Cali routes.


Yes, but I did mention intra-western also. I'd like to see HP invading AS' homeground for a change. Maybe starting with a LAX/SFO-PDX flight.
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:58 am

EA CO AS...R correct me if Im wrong. But in response to Byrd's remarks, I think we have some very loyal passengers in the Southwest.

You're not wrong. There is an unusually large number of MVPs and MVP Golds in the Southwest, particularly Arizona.

Also, while WorldPerks members can earn miles on either carrier, there are a HUGE number of AAdvanatge, OnePass, and SkyMiles members out there - and the vast majority will choose AS over HP every time, since they'll earn miles toward their programs.

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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:20 am


You're not wrong. There is an unusually large number of MVPs and MVP Golds in the Southwest, particularly Arizona.


Which means squat. The vast majority of travellers aren't FF members.


Also, while WorldPerks members can earn miles on either carrier, there are a HUGE number of AAdvanatge, OnePass, and SkyMiles members out there - and the vast majority will choose AS over HP every time, since they'll earn miles toward their programs.


So? I'm a member of AAdvantage, FlightFund, Mileage Plan, and WorldPerks. I bet there are tons of other people who are multi-members as well. So enough with the "we have MVP's in PHX" talk. People will choose the lowest fare, and put the miles into an account with that airline.

AS's pricing is often outrageous, and I seriously doubt people are going to overpay when price is king these days.
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:37 am

People will choose the lowest fare, and put the miles into an account with that airline.

If they've got equal amounts of miles in each one, you're probably right - but for people with high amounts of mileage, they tend to build on their biggest account.

Considering that AAdvantage, OnePass and SkyMiles have so many members, it's likely that when presented with equal fares on HP and AS, they'll choose AS.
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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:04 am

We fly 1 SFO-LAX and some OAK-SNA. Thats all for intra-state. We have no intent on starting any Cali routes.

QX will probably start operating some intra-California service to LAX in the next year or so.

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RE: Alaska: New Service YVR-SAN

Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:35 pm

I thought AS/QX also flew SFO-PSP and SMF-PSP....
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