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Pilot: Amman-Baghdad Run Never Dull

Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:14 am

Found this article about Royal Jordanian Airline's flights from Amman to Baghadad

Interesting read

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041126/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_wild_ride_1

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RE: Pilot: Amman-Baghdad Run Never Dull

Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:52 am

I'll bet it's never dull. I didn't know An's were running into and out of there.
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RE: Pilot: Amman-Baghdad Run Never Dull

Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:05 am

"To lessen the threat of being shot at, pilots have adopted a "nonstandard approach" for landings: They arrive at 15,000 feet and then descend sharply in a stomach-churning series of tight, spiraling turns that pin passengers deep in their seats. The Fokker's clamshell airbrakes at the back of the fuselage keep airspeed from rising uncontrollably during the dive."


WaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaW !!!!!!

Thanks Horus for this great article !!



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RE: Pilot: Amman-Baghdad Run Never Dull

Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:09 am

A few months ago there was a very interesting report on the German TV broadcaster ARD, a reporter made a 45 minute film about his travel to Baghdad and about his first days there.

The film showed also the plane from the outside (an all white Fokker), as well as from the inside (looked ok), they made also a few interviews with the passengers, all of them said that they are quite "nervous". The flight crew approached Baghdad very fast, you could even hear some alarm noises during the approach.

The best was the female flight attendant who bid farewell to the passengers, I quote her: "Bye....and don't get shot" (I have to mention that she was European or American), a very hard sounding recommendation when you just arrived at your destination airport Big grin.

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RE: Pilot: Amman-Baghdad Run Never Dull

Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:12 am

Patrick, maybe better to book one way huh?  Smile
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RE: Pilot: Amman-Baghdad Run Never Dull

Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:29 am

Patrick, maybe better to book one way huh?

Merhaba Lan! (is this correct? At least all my Turkish friends are talking like that  Smile)

Too be honest, you could offer me 10.000 EUR each month and free hotel, taxi, food, and drinks in Baghdad, I would refuse it!

So actually you are correct, a one-way ticket would make more sense in my opinion since I saw this report. I will not know how many people are using the return ticket, probably only a few.

I think RJ never gets problems when they are overbook the SDA-AMM flight because of the high number of no-shows  Yeah sure.

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RE: Pilot: Amman-Baghdad Run Never Dull

Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:14 pm

Everything else aside, it is a major plug for the venerable Fokker F-28....
 
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RE: Pilot: Amman-Baghdad Run Never Dull

Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:12 pm

Pretty scary to fly over Iraq after the DHL aircraft inccident. KU have rerouted lots of its European routes and now they fly over Iraq ( saves 2 hours of flight ). KU is one of the few airlines that are allowed to fly under 20,000ft over Iraq.




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RE: Pilot: Amman-Baghdad Run Never Dull

Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:20 pm

I remember flying AMS-KWI on KU four years ago, we were flying around the south of Iraq, and the flight time was about 6,5 hours on a 340. Two hours difference seems a bit optimistic, but I'm sure they can save considerable amounts of time. Additionally, KU would only fly low in the vicinity of KWI, which I believe is one of the more calm areas of Iraq - but I might be wrong on that.
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RE: Pilot: Amman-Baghdad Run Never Dull

Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:33 pm

Few years ago,while flying for my previous company,we did couple of flights to Kabul,Afganistan to pick up coalition soldiers back to their countries.Although I have never experienced a shooting at my flight we still used some "fun rides" during the approaches and landings.We contact with AWACS airplane before approach and (although not seen but told by the ground people) they launch armed helicopters during the approach of the civillian airplanes.They create a safe area around the airport and you climb and descent inside the cone untill reaching to safety.

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RE: Pilot: Amman-Baghdad Run Never Dull

Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:40 pm

Kanat! you got KTHY>??

Sabena, you got the turkish spot on  Big grin!

Flying Afghanistan can be scary says my dad, the a/p is only open during daylight hours, he flies there almost every week for his job. I will join him on one of his trips. He wither flies Ariana from Istanbul (A300) Ariana from Dubai (727) or Azerbaijan from Baku (Tu-154)

he says the approach is fun sometimes depending on the situation down below with certain groups clashing...

I remember watching a C-130 at the Farnborough airshow doing a dive in landing simulating a war time drop, id kill to see an A300 do this!
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RE: Pilot: Amman-Baghdad Run Never Dull

Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:41 pm

Pilotaydin,

can you tell me how is the situation on the groud there. Does your dad stay long there? Is walking down the streets safe there? Because I think I am going to go to Kabul to work and it wouldbe around February 05.
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RE: Pilot: Amman-Baghdad Run Never Dull

Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:41 am

This is a great article. It would be fun to try that for real with a good aircraft like a 737-800 or a ERJ. I just have Flightsim to do it with now. It's funny, I've flown in with a 767 and MD-11 but I'm goiung to try the approach for real one of these days on there.
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RE: Pilot: Amman-Baghdad Run Never Dull

Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:50 am

air malta....my dad says that he doesnt wonder into the streets without an escort. his company has their own headquarters there with armed guards. He jsut flew in tonight from Kabul, he said that during the day, certain parts of the city were fine, but at night time, it would be most unwise to go venturing, as identity can be an issue. There are still american partols in the roads and the area, so im sure that if you are working with a western company, there will be some sort of security arangement with the Kabul government.

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