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West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:36 am

Hello, HALLO y HOLA!!!!


West Caribbean Airways changed their name!!
Their just "WEST" now, and they also have a totally new image... see their website http://www.wca.com.co

AND WOW look to the next pictures!!!
http://www.wca.com.co/mc_donell.html
http://www.wca.com.co/atr_42_320.html
http://www.wca.com.co/let_410.html

What do U think of it??
A good new livery?? Ugly... or ???

For me the new colors and image are better... they give the company a more "advanced" look. Not the normal Euro white stuff and it's a totally very smart idea! I think another great livery in the Colombian SKY!!!

The First plane to wear the new livery is one of their ATR-42's. Its all ready flying around!!

West is consolidating even more their HUB here in Medellin, they are operating their MDs based more and more in MDE


What a nice advertisement...
http://www.wca.com.co/promociones1x15.php
fly 15 times with WEST.. Don't get rid of your used tickets and get a flight with WEST to SAN ANDRES.... hotel included!! With 3 days and 2 nights and diner!!
CANT FIND THIS IN EUROPE!!!! MAYBE AFTER 80 FLIGHTS WITH KLM and then for free to Tenerife.... jajaja no way Jose!!! (just my thoughts)


"WEST una manera diferente de volar"
It really is.. can't wait to fly with them again!!

Saludos Regards
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:47 am

What can I say... Excellent news...


I just found out about the new image last night and apparently today the whole aviation community here in Medellin knows about it.

Great colors, great livery, excellent use of aircraft fuselage for painting and nice to see a fresh and less tropical look on West, and definitely leaves Avianca with their hideous look right down on the dipers (hope to see what they'll come up with).

I can't wait to see the ATR in the new scheme, it's right now based in Medellin (EOH) but will most certainly be rotating and flying throughout the whole country.


Thanks Wimpycol, very nice indeed.




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Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:56 am

Hallo Willem, konta bai? (a lil' papiamento)

I saw the livery a few days ago when I went to their website... But something that caught my eye is what appears to be an A320 in WCA's "old" livery in the main page... Weird...

"...definitely leaves Avianca with their hideous look right down on the dipers..."
- I second that! I love the new livery... I only miss the pretty girl that used to be in their main page, whom I referred to as "Adriana"... lol!

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Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:11 am

SouthAmerica:
and definitely leaves Avianca with their hideous look right down on the dipers (hope to see what they'll come up with).

HAHAHA... you can say that again!!! Smile)

Funny to see that Colombian airlines are doing great and changing their livery!
Aires Colombia
LAS Colombia
Aerosucre Colombia
TAMPA
and now WEST
and Yes as SouthAmerica: just mentioned..AVIANCA is possible the next one!

regards
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:16 am

What the heck is that? That logo looks like a copy of United. I was hoping to see some stunning livery from the hype of the first post, not something this butt ugly!

I absolutely loved the purple/green colors they had, the font in the name and all was very original. Some color on the fuselage is all they needed, not this eurocrap. Not very innovative, like a LAN livery backwards. Also reminds me of Bmi and the Excel group's livery, but not as good as any of these three.

As if there wasn't enough blue and white airplanes, yet another livery change for the worse.
 
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:23 am

I do like this one a lot.
The old one was quite simple, and yet I still liked it, but this one surpasses it.
Can't wait to see the ATR or the next plane the paint.

Most of the color changes have been good, except for Tampa's one, that colors are nice but I liked the Germany flag colors better, and oh, I still haven't seen AeroSucre's (by the way, there's an AeroSucre 727 parked at general Aviation ramp at MDE like a month ago with the right engine removed).

Thumbs up for West!
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:25 am

Miamix707,


I sincerely do not understand your position towards all these liveries man. I've seen you say plenty of times that you're totally against white bodies, and they give you one fuselage painted with blue and red and you don't like it either...  Confused

What where you expecting, a cheatline? Man, West was using the cheapest colors in the publicitary market, not to mention that both their look and name gave the tropical Caribbean feel, thing that certainly they were not intending since they closed the focused operation in San Andres and moved it to Andean Medellin. This change was more than necessary.



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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:33 am

Hello Komododx

Nice to hear from you!! I'm fine THANKS , dank je wel!!! and how are you?

But something that caught my eye is what appears to be an A320 in WCA's "old" livery in the main page... Weird...
Yes your right.... very weird indeed.. it also can be an B757... but it's definitely not one of their planes!!!


By the way:
One of their ATR's (HK-3943) has been grounded since last week after a flameout engine just after take off from EDR, all the seats are without the cover and everything inside is a mess. Don't know when it will fly again!

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And;
if you look closely to the new livery of WEST....
no more COLOMBIA titles. Just like TAMPA!!
Anybody more info on this???
Wasn't there some rule that all Colombian based airliners had to show the COLOMBIA titles on their fuselage??

Saludos
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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:00 am

hola muchachos

Hola Southamerica, como te va?

Yes you are right, I think slapping a colored tail on a white aircraft is by far the ugliest visual trend, unfortunately here to stay. However there is something imaginative about the WCA font and the purple and green choice of colors that make it look different, exotic and tropical.. although the latter is apparently from what you said, not a good thing??

I'm glad everybody likes the livery, sorry I'm the only one who doesn't like it. Maybe if I didn't live in the states I'd think the change is better, it's certainly a more modern scheme than the other aircraft seen at Colombian airports. Honestly if i went to Colombia to take photos I would be interested in their current livery more, as well as the older looking schemes of LAS, Aerosucre etc, which while old, look very Colombian, exotic, and yes much, much more interesting  Smile

I just think these colors stand out more, and yes even look better. Some color on that fuselage and i'd LOVE this livery.


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Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:21 am

It looks very fresh. The former colors were very cheap, looked like some cheap small caribbean airline which operated 2 DHC-6 on inter-island fligths. These ones are more serious.
 
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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:36 am

In my opinion, it looks very good, very modern, but it doesn't seem like a Colombian Airline.
Also today when we land in BOG, I saw in the AV hangar an aircraft painted with a yellow tail, and its belly blue, is this the new livery for AV? Or is just a leased AC for high season
 
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:40 am

I agree with Miamix707, it is a vulgar copy of United livery, but I really wasn't expecting anything better.

"WEST una manera diferente de volar"

Perhaps, Still I won't give them a try If I can fly with AV instead even If I have to pay more, anyway none of its destinations attract me so there is no problem.



Wasn't there some rule that all Colombian based airliners had to show the COLOMBIA titles on their fuselage??

I am not sure about it, anyway, you know, if they could they would have written "Antioquia Federal" instead.

Juan
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:00 am

Yes RCS763av

I agree and I think that WEST is trying to focus more and more on the whole Colombian market and to become an keyplayer in it and compete with AV, Republica etc.. so they have to change their image from a Caribbean airline into (a future) bigger Colombian airline.

But they still have a big way to go!! look below!!

Avianca holds a 34 pct market share in Colombia, for the first half of 2004,
AeroRepublica with a 28.9 pct share,
SAM, with 10.2 pct,
Satena, with 8.84 pct,
Aires with 8.12 pct and
West Caribbean, with 7.87 pct

So I can understand their change

Regards!
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:09 am

JuanR
Perhaps, Still I won't give them a try If I can fly with AV instead even If I have to pay more, anyway none of its destinations attract me so there is no problem.

Well I've flown AV/SAM (BOG-Cartagena-BOG) and WEST BOG-MDE-BOG last june.. Both flights.. very good...very nice indeed.... even the pilot from WEST was so cool... we could enter the cockpit during flight and after landing it was all mine!!! jajaja and he was reading a newspaper in seatnr1....by the way he was from BOGOTA and is also the CEO or SEARCA.. que tal no???
BELIEVE AV, WEST, SAM and ACES.....10.000 times better than KLM!! you cant find any service!!

A300AA
In my opinion, it looks very good, very modern, but it doesn't seem like a Colombian Airline.
Also today when we land in BOG, I saw in the AV hangar an aircraft painted with a yellow tail, and its belly blue, is this the new livery for AV? Or is just a leased AC for high season

Maybe you saw the new B767 of AV still in the old East African colors!!

Saludos
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:19 am

Hallo Willem, Ik ben moe maar ik ben goed! (Wow, I realize I REALLY have to work on my dutch!)

Just wanted to thank you for the Satena pics in that Let you sent and also thanks for the exclusive pics of the second 762 for QT.

Haven't had time to write an email since I've been very busy and took some days off around thanksgiving to go to the Caribbean, to Honduras, on TA. I'll post the trip report and my very negative opinion of TA later in the week.

Tot ziens!

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Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:25 am

I saw the livery a few days ago when I went to their website... But something that caught my eye is what appears to be an A320 in WCA's "old" livery in the main page... Weird...

I couldn't find it... where did you see it? I speak a bit of spanish so navigating the website wasn't a huge difficulty, but all I saw were MD-82/83
 
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:40 am

DFW,

Go to http://www.wca.com.co , then hit "Entrar". You'll get a new window. In the bottom center hit "Saltar Intro" and then you'll get their main page. To the center right and bottom right you'll see two pictures. The bottom right is a Let. The center right seems like an A320

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Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:49 am

Ahh.... I gotcha. Personally, I don't know if it's an A320...



compare to these A320 tails-


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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:52 am

I am not sure about it, anyway, you know, if they could they would have written "Antioquia Federal" instead.

Juan
SKBO


What's your thing with us paisas?

And yes, we could have written that, after all it's a Paisa airline, isn't it?
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:54 am



Juanr,



Very very objective your comments - no obssession nor hatred that could be seen whatsoever. Thanks for your great imput.

I am not sure about it, anyway, you know, if they could they would have written "Antioquia Federal" instead.


Regretfully they didn't.


Same with Tampa, the number one cargo carrier of northern South America, which is based in Medellin.





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Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:03 am

I think the livery is very nice, and very unexpected. I like this kind of surprises. I left Bogota last night and also saw a strange tail kind of red - orange near the Aerorepublica hangars at the bottom of 13 L. Unfortunatelly we took off at 13R, so I missed it completely. I wonder if AV has the sounding new livery ready for their 85th anniversary this weekend.
 
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:39 am

What's your thing with us paisas?

This is no place to discuss that if you really want to know open a new thread on the non-aviation forum.

And yes, we could have written that, after all it's a Paisa airline, isn't it?

Sure, and that is why I'll never fly with them.

On the other side, regarding the A320 plane in the old colours, I would say it is a fake picture.

And regarding my comments on the livery, the questions Willem asked were:

What do U think of it??
A good new livery?? Ugly... or ???


Which mean that no objective answer could be provided so my answer is as good as anyone's. Some people will never learn.

Juan
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:49 am

Well great news that West is doing well, i really loved the old colors but these colors rocks too, i hope to see them soon..

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Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:21 am


Sure, and that is why I'll never fly with them.

Oooo now West should be really scared ! Is this the moment when we are all supposed to sit down in cry? hahaha  Nuts


Some people will never learn.

Indeed, some will never learn to control obssessions... again the quoted user just looks plain ridiculous when he destroys his own arguments by asking the simple question: "Would you think the same if the airline were from XX part (not Medellin)? hahah how dumb.




Bogota and Tavong,


Thanks for your participation. For me it was also a pleasant surprise and ironically I haven't had the oportunity to see the newly-painted ATR myself. Let's wait and see, as it seems AV's new image will be the one to follow.


Cheers.


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Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:29 am

Nice to see another new livery although I do have to say I liked the colours of the older livery, turquoise blue & purple. Those colours were much more Caribbean like. The new livery reminds me of BonairExel while the tail logo reminds me of United Airlines' new tail logo.


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The "W" on the new West Colombia livery looks identical to the new United Airlines tail logo. If they would have used the same colours as the older livery, it would have been better. But it's always nice to another livery flying around  Wink/being sarcastic

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Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:39 am

A388,


Thanks for the comment.  Smile


I liked the colours of the older livery, turquoise blue & purple. Those colours were much more Caribbean like

You are indeed right, they were nice, but you must remember that the tropical idea is precisely the image that West did not want to continue showing.

They did start based in San Andres (although they have always been from Medellin) but they progressively moved to the interior and are now operating on the major mainland trunk routes such as Medellin-Bogota, Medellin-Cali and Cali-Bogota, plus a handfull of regional and international segments which little have to do with the Caribbean.

Plus, they're name was too long and at times complicated to the average-Joe, so a shorter simpler name was in order, and West still represents the location of the city where they were born and are based.



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Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:02 pm


This is no place to discuss that if you really want to know open a new thread on the non-aviation forum.


Ohh but how worse could it be than a single 5 year-old-kid puchero because something happened to el primo segundo de su tatarabuelo?
If I opened a non-aviation thread it'd be for something important, I think your...hmmm... little problem actually isn't important.


Sure, and that is why I'll never fly with them.


Ooohh! and WCA is DYING for having you onboard....
like if they cared anyway.



On the other side, regarding the A320 plane in the old colours, I would say it is a fake picture.


Nooooo! Are you for real?
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:33 pm

Two things:

1. Barely two months ago, West Caribean revamped its web site. Now, it
proves it was a waste of money, as they have changed it again completely.

2. Routes map shows interesting new routes: SJO-BOG and something I could
not believe: MDE-Caucasia-AUA, Armenia-San Andrés. Wish them luck.... But
please, a little of geography lessons would not be bad... Please, note where
they place SJO dot. Not even in Costa Rica, but in Nicaragua.

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Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:44 pm

Hey guys,
any problems with the ATR in high altitude fields, or is it good ?
Im not familiar with its performance.

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Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:54 pm

Hey Ghost77,


Long time no see, where have you been?


1. Barely two months ago, West Caribean revamped its web site. Now, it
proves it was a waste of money, as they have changed it again completely.


Same goes for Avianca, if they change their image it is more than logical that the site will be refurbished, after only a couple of months of doing so. Seems like a national trend.


2. Routes map shows interesting new routes: SJO-BOG and something I could not believe: MDE-Caucasia-AUA, Armenia-San Andrés. Wish them luck.... But please, a little of geography lessons would not be bad... Please, note where they place SJO dot. Not even in Costa Rica, but in Nicaragua.

No such thing as those routes. Medellin-Caucasia is a regional route which is operated out of EOH (not even MDE) in LET-410, while Aruba is a totally independent route operated out of MDE with ATRs.

Same thing with Armenia. There's Medellin-Armenia in LET-410 out of EOH, and there's Medellin-San Andrés independently operated out of MDE (different airport again) in MD-8X.

I mean, it is obvious that the airline wouldn't be half of the success it is now if they operated those odd routings. Remember they have several years of operating profitably now so they must know what their doing.



Best regards,



SOUTHAMERICA





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Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:23 pm

DFW,

Mmmm good point... I think the A320 came to mind just because VX used to operate them in Colombia, not that I'm suggesting that WCA took them... got it Juanr? You're like the king of obvious! lol Big grin

Btw, what happened/happens to WCA Costa Rica? Just a plane based there?

Also, I think this would be a muuuch nicer livery (Even though I like the new one). But something like this, a la F9 would be cool!


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What is the current operation of WCA in ADZ?

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Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:30 pm

By the way, did anyone read the post regarding Southeast airlines ceasing ops?

Some user pointed out that carriers in the US with "west" in their name seem to be rather successful (ie WN, NW)... maybe the same will happen to WCA. What's their code?

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Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:22 pm


Komododx,


Great memories arise when seeing the dolphin-painted ATR I must admit. That was also a nice scheme, though if it had been West's choice some would just have said that it's a total copy from Frontier. Go figure.


What is the current operation of WCA in ADZ?

Even though they cancelled their base in San Andrés, the airline is still significantly tied to the island. From San Andrés, West offers daily flights to Medellin (MDE), Panama City, San Jose and Bogota, all on MD-8X equipment. Note that both the flights to San Jose and Panama begin/end in Medellin (MDE)

Currently the airline which offers the best options to the island from mainland Colombia is undoubtlessly AeroRepublica, but West is responsible for bringing international tourist as they heavily promote San Andrés in Panama, for example, with excellent deals and great prices.


Some user pointed out that carriers in the US with "west" in their name seem to be rather successful (ie WN, NW)... maybe the same will happen to WCA.

It's already happening and let's hope it continues that way.


What's their code?

YH.




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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:33 pm

West is also the only airline that lfies the ADZ-Providencia route, with 4 daily flights operated by a LET-410.

Juanr, whats with the hate against paisas? really ridiculous if you ask me.
 
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:12 pm

Just like the old-school rap song "why is it".. Why is it... that Colombian aviation threads end up with people arguing? How about lighten up and have a sense of humor.. is this first grade all over again?

Fulanito: Your airline is not from my city therefore it sucks
Menganito: hey now, you suck!
Fulanito: yeah i'd never fly an airline cause it's Paisa!
Menganito: well I don't like Bogotanos either!!!

I mean you're all from the same country, c'mon now. Call each other up or meet and slap each other silly!

Anyways yes SOUTHAMERICA, I would be the first to notice if any latin airline adpted an animal tail as WCA tried to, it would obviously be a frontier copy lol. Why not be more innovative? This new WCA livery looks like some european low cost with a "borrowed" UA logo, and the copy came out weird looking, pretty bad. Don't like the name either "West" lame attempt at sounding American and/or modern. Western, West Colombia, would be more meaningful. West Caribbean still sounds better.

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I only like the last 3. Pluna's logo is magnificent and very Latin American, other airlines should take notice. However most are overall dull schemes and none really stands out from the others.

No blue tails but the rest are lookalikes that aren't much better:


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By the way, SOUTHAMERICA you didn't even answer me, so that must mean you are doing really good  Big grin
 
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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:25 pm

It's very interesting that the East African 767 is there, funny I thought it could be that one, since that's the only airline with an orange tail and blue underside, besides the new colors of Druk Air of Buthan. I thought they only had one 767!, the one that just got repainted in Excel colors.

I hope Avianca starts flying it without repainting the livery, that would be one nice sight! By the way what ever happened to the leased Icelandair 757? never saw any pictures of it.


oh and by the way, that fake WCA tail is a 757.
 
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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:03 pm

I like the new colors. I am glad to see Colombian aviation blossoming after the demise of ACES. Competition creates better service, and all the players in the market need to address their issues with customer satisfaction.

As for JuanR's comments, hit the "Disregard" button. I believe from what I have seen in other posts, someone alluded to "thick-headed.
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hardiwv
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:37 pm

Miamix707:

I got your point, and I totally subscribe to your point of view ref. livery in LatAm: usually the basic dual white x blue, with expressive logos on the tail. I must say that the new livery of WCA simply follows this trend with no innovation - I personally prefer its previous livery.

Look how Carribean and creative is the livery of BWI:


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It really feels "Caribbean". I already used BWIA a couple of times and found their service really good.

Or even Air Jamaica, another livery truely "Caribbean" (though I personally dont like)


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About your selection of best liveries, you mentioned PU, then you should have also mentioned VARIG, simply because PU livery is a copy of RG (it was the same design company and even the same contract - RG owns 49% of PU).

Compare both liveries (PU and RG):


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komododx
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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:06 pm

SOUTHAMERICA,

Thanks for all the info!  Smile

Hardivv,

Hallo! As you probably read, WCA wants to get away from the "caribbean" color scheme since they now fly the main routes inside Colombia.

I must say, since you posted the pics, that I really like BWIA's livery, although the font on the name is APALLING! I mean, it's like done by a kid in MS Paint... They could've used something less... I don't know how to put it. But it looks a little like "Comic" font... Kinda cheap, if you ask me.

I used to love JM's livery. Now I think it's really outdated. The colors remind me of those women in spandex and flourescent colored shirts that used to do aerobics on TV in the early 90ties.

KdX in TLH
I'm homeless and unemployed
 
hardiwv
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:13 pm

WCA wants to get away from the "caribbean" color scheme

OK, if this was their intention, they got it!

since you posted the pics, that I really like BWIA's livery

Indeed, BWIA has a very nice color scheme, and feels really Caribbean!
(especially the calipso-type green, with the subtle yellow). About the font name, indeed, maybe they need to work more on this bit.

JM had a nice livery for the 90s, but now is outdated. But the concept is nice.
Take care,
Hardi
 
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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:34 am

Miamix707,


OK OK, I must admit I over-read you, but it annoyed me a bit at first when I expected a decent positive comment about the livery knowing you generally don't like all-white fuselages.  Big grin

My Frontier comment wasn't directed to you at all, there is no need to make such comments towards you as I know you are not precisely the most condescendent nor tolerant guy livery-wise. But hey, different point of views (you have your own, and it's totally respectable as it is not influenced by other non-related feelings) different perspectives and tastes, and well, I hate to say it but I really am a bit biased over this specific carrier. Everything's OK from my side.  Smile

PS: Finally, do you like or dislike Varig's livery?  Big thumbs up



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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:43 am

Oooo now West should be really scared ! Is this the moment when we are all supposed to sit down in cry? hahaha

I really don't care if they cry or not, is not my bussiness

Ohh but how worse could it be than a single 5 year-old-kid puchero because something happened to el primo segundo de su tatarabuelo?

Not really, no need of any reference from third parties to take the choice of never fly with them. Their origin is enough for me.

I mean you're all from the same country, c'mon now.

Sad but true, I can't wait for them to go away and clean my place; unfortunately that won't happen any time soon, they depend of us too much.
"Paisa, Gamin, Me ensucias el Campin"

I believe from what I have seen in other posts, someone alluded to "thick-headed.

So what? That do not take away the right that I have to post my opinions on this forum, wheter it that includes my well known hatred towards paisas.

Juanr, whats with the hate against paisas?

Well, just to give you a few hints: (Written by themselves)

http://www.lopaisa.com/testam.html
http://www.lopaisa.com/paisa.html

That is enough for me to hate them, but still I have plenty of further personal and familiar reasons to hate them even more, but will not discuss here.

As for the WCA topic looks like they've been trying to get a personality but have failed twice; this time I don't expect any better since it is the worst image among the three they've had.


Juan
SKBO
Bogotá: 2600 Metros Más Cerca De Las Estrellas; Vamos por los XVII Juegos Nacionales!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:03 am


It is so extremely amusing to see how this guy pays so much attention to us, oh well, uncontrollable problems, sad, nothing that can be done, our Medellin and region will continue to be as it is or better (fortunately for us - unfortunately for him) with opened doors for everybody and especially for the Bogota community who likes us (the vast majority by the way). "No falta la cochina mosca en la leche".  Insane


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As usual, Colombian topics with a bad atmosphere created by a sole user. What a shame.



Komododx,


I agree woth your opinion about the BWIA font. I don't know, there's just something in that livery that doesn't cut it for me, although it is very exotic and rare.


Hardiwv,


What's the state of Varig's fleet painted in the revised "billboard" scheme? Are the aircraft operating under subisdiary companies like Nordeste or Rio Sul going to apply the billboard style as well?

I was navigating through Landor's website once, and it said that Varig had been one of their clients when looking for a re-branding process. Was Landor resposible for the previous livery (very similar to the actual one - only the VARIG titles were smaller) or for the actual one (billboard style)? Which one do you like the best?




SOUTHAMERICA




 
wimpycol
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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:05 am

Hi Komododx


Hallo Willem, Ik ben moe maar ik ben goed! (Wow, I realize I REALLY have to work on my dutch!)

Just wanted to thank you for the Satena pics in that Let you sent and also thanks for the exclusive pics of the second 762 for QT.

Haven't had time to write an email since I've been very busy and took some days off around thanksgiving to go to the Caribbean, to Honduras, on TA. I'll post the trip report and my very negative opinion of TA later in the week.


Thanks for the info.. also in Dutch... it's just perfect!!!
can't wait to see your trip report!! So TA was not perfect.....hmmmmm


By the way the WCA tail on their site is definitely an B757.... but as you know a fake one jajajaja... also painted very badly on this photo!! They could do better and ask some friends of mine to take some photos of their aircraft in Colombia!!!

Willem Alberto
Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:19 am

Wimpycol,


They could do better and ask some friends of mine to take some photos of their aircraft in Colombia!!!


Indeed, and now that you now a special spot in the EOH surroundings you can count on that place also !  Smile




SOUTHAMERICA
 
JUANR
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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:36 am

As if there were any interesting thing to see at EOH....

Juan
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wimpycol
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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:18 am

Miamiair :
I like the new colors. I am glad to see Colombian aviation blossoming after the demise of ACES. Competition creates better service, and all the players in the market need to address their issues with customer satisfaction.


Hello Victor... I agree with you on this.
The Colombian market was changing a lot this year! And almost every big player had a new livery..... I think a new unique point in Colombian aviation history. I can't name a nother country in which almost every keyplayer had done this. (ok Satena and Aerorepublica were quit on this but also busy at other fronts!!!)

AIRES Colombia (By the way does anybody likes my AIRES PICS? Big thumbs up
LAS Colombia
TAMPA Colombia
AEROSUCRE Colombia
WEST Colombia
next one will be AVIANCA



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Willem Alberto

OK the new livery of WEST....
http://www.wca.com.co/atr_42_320.html

can be a mix of Bonairexel (colors), Pakistan International Airlines - PIA (cheatline) and UA(tail)


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BUT for me its still a 100% COLOMBIAN LIVERY and I LIKE IT!!!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


And another point of an Colombian friend of mine
at least the airline has a short name and just one. It was confusing "West Caribbean airways" and "West Caribbean Costa Rica" names; I suppose "WEST" is for both.!!!
Besides, it was more common that people said WEST and not the complete name, so I think this was one of the reasons of the change.


Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:40 am

HOLA

Southamerica,
Yes I remember very well that nice place!! I only can say WOW... it just remind my me of a spotter place nearby one of the runways here in HOLANDA @ AMS Schiphol Airport... but on that point EOH is much more closer to the action!
As Giovanni R. always say "EL BASITO DE LECHE" jajaja... when I look to my pics that I've taken overthere... man I want to come to COLOMBIA...but right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JuanR
Well your right...
EOH is not the airport with the big widebodys....
but I like the LIVE action nearby the runway... just like MZL and most important thing.... without the stupid Colombian police that always wants to see my camera and my friends ID  Smile
My dream would be the same special spotting place like in EOH and MZL...
but in BOG, MDE, Cali and Cartagena etc!!..maybe one day in the future? who knows??

Regards
Willem Alberto
Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:47 am


Wimpycol,


You are completely right. It is a smart move to change things in favour of a simpler name, basic publicity concept, simpler things are easier to remind.

That was one of their objectives with this re-branding process, apart from what has been mentioned.

Now if Landor is indeed the company who finally gets chosen to design the new Avianca livery, we can bet they'll do a fine job, most certainly better than the dull thing supposedly called livery that they have now.



SOUTHAMERICA


 
hardiwv
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RE: West COLOMBIA.. New Livery... New Goal!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:33 am

Was Landor resposible for the previous livery (very similar to the actual one - only the VARIG titles were smaller) or for the actual one (billboard style)? Which one do you like the best?

Landor was responsible for the Varig's livery adopted in 1996. The major change was: 1) Varig's compass rose symbol, with additional compass points portraying the airline's expanding worldwide destinations; 2) a new graphic element, the word "Brasil" rendered in a handwritten, cursive style.

You will note that Varig's parent carriers Nordeste and Rio Sul also have a slight different livery (with the handwritten-style word Brasil replaced by the word Rio Sul or Nordeste).

As you pointed out, in 2002 Varig changed its livery again, writing the Varig in billboard. I cannot tell you the agency responsible for this change, but the decision to change the livery was closely related to the new CEO (João Roberto Sabino) who took over the airline in 2002. He was Nordeste's CEO at that time, and adopted an aggressive marketing campaign for the regional airline, such as using the fuselage of the a/c for commercial adds. How also wanted the "trade-mark" Varig enhanced.

Which one I prefer? I think RG's livery is better now, with billboards. But in my opinion RG's mark is the compass rose, which I think is quite creative.

The new Varig's music (dated September/04) and which goes on air in Brazil on TV commercials is produced by Publicis Salles Norton.

Look at Rio Sul/Nordeste (RG's regional carriers) evolving livery, with changes in 1996 and 2002:


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(above you can see that the Rio Sul word replaces the word Brasil, found in Varig's fleet)

Since 2002, as I said, in the case Rio Sul and Nordeste some a/c have paid commercial adds which replace Varig's word in the fuselage (below an add from newspaper Valor and oil company Petrobras). The adds can only be seen in a few Nordeste/Rio Sul a/c. Nordeste got revenues worth about USD 2 million from commercial adds in the fuselage in 2002 alone.


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