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Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:27 pm

Ordinarily Southwest Flight 1125 is a one-stop/same-plane flight from LAX to Manchester (MHT), with the intermediate stop being PHL. But today, owing to some difficulties in PHL, the flight went nonstop from LAX to MHT...perhaps not the first transcon nonstop for MHT, but certainly the first I'm aware of!

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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:32 pm

What difficulties in PHL caused this? The airport was open and running smoothly. I'm wondering if it was a light load with nobody getting off at PHL and a few getting on to MHT...they just flew to MHT and continued the rotation. Interesting to find out what the virdict really is though:

from southwest.com:
Departure Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2004
Flight Number: 1125

City Scheduled
Time Estimated
Time Current
Status Gate
Departure Los Angeles (LAX) N/A N/A * N/A
Arrival Manchester (MHT) N/A N/A * N/A

Departure Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2004
Flight Number: 1125

City Scheduled
Time Estimated
Time Current
Status Gate
Departure Philadelphia (PHL) N/A N/A Cancelled N/A
Arrival Manchester (MHT) N/A N/A Cancelled

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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:06 pm

I am guessing that it didn't land at PHL because of the winds. I think they were blowing constantly at 20-30kts and gusting into the 40's.
 
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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:15 pm

Well, I'll tell you...the winds up here in New Hampshire were howling, too! I mean REALLY howling! Perhaps down in the Philly area it was worse. But, they would have decided to go to Manchester nonstop before they even left LAX...so, my guess is something other than a spur-of-the-moment decision. Maybe they looked at the load and saw that just about everyone was heading to MHT and decided to send the few PHL passengers over to USAirways or something? Passengers heading to PHL have other options; those flying to little Manchester, NH certainly don't!

I have no idea, really, why this happened. Perhaps someone from Southwest can chime in on the 'reason why.'

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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:44 pm

My guess would be that they decided to do a bit of juggling of passengers and stops in order to try to keep things on schedule. They probably had room on the last MHT-PHL flight of the night for the passengers whose destination was actually PHL, while they reaccomodated passengers on other flighrs via BWI, MDW, BNA, etc. who might have been connecting at PHL to PVD or RDU. It appears the LAX-PHL-MHT aircraft heads to TPA from MHT, and if there were a significant number of FLL-bound passengers on that flight (the last option of the night), a significant delay would break their connections.
 
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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:03 pm

Possibly WN's longest non-stop ever.
 
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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:20 pm

Yeah, from the wx, it looks like high winds were an issue today. But I don't think this flight is longer than the longest scheduled nonstop from BWI to SJC at 2,438 miles. A while back 96 did SAN-PVD nonstop once. By straight line distance seems that would be an even longer flight than either. Where's OPNLguy when ya need him?
 
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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 3:33 pm

Was the plane flying with the jetstream I wonder?? Well anyways that is probably a mess for WN in PHL....correct me if I am wrong. Hopefully this will spark a new non-stop between the two cities.
 
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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:08 pm

>>>Where's OPNLguy when ya need him?

I was out sick yesterday, and was planning to check once I got back in today.

Offhand, I'd guess that PHL was in a ground delay program due to the strong surface winds, and that they went non-stop avoid the delay and free up a slot for substitution purposes. I'll let you know...
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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:50 pm

I will tell you that ATC ground stops to PHL were running in the 2 hour range yesterday. It almost seems this is the norm lately.....
 
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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:38 am

>>>>>I was out sick yesterday, and was planning to check once I got back in today.

No pinks for you!!!!  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:28 am

>>>No pinks for you!!!!

Such is life... Oh well, January 1st will be here soon...

I went back and checked, and PHL was indeed in a big GDP due to the srong surface winds, with -average- delays of 143 minutes (2:23). The actual EDCT time on 1125 was such that he would have been just about 3:00 late.

By running 1125 LAX-MHT nonstop and overflying PHL. we were:

1/ Able to get the MHT pax riding thru home without a 3 hour delay...

2/ Alble to get the PHL folks home on a earlier MHT-PHL flight that had also been caught up in the GDP and hadn't left MHT yet. They actually made it home about 1:30 later than the ETA of their original ETA on flight 1125. In my book, 1:30 late is better than 3:00 late any day...

3/ Alble to keep the aircraft's sequence of flight's for the rest of the day on-time. The aircraft turned MHT-BWI on arrival, and that and other flights down the line were also without a 3:00 delay.

4/ Able to create an open ATC slot at PHL, and along with others from some other cancellations, were able to run a slot substitution program to mitigate the EDCT times on other flights affected by the GDP.

The above is a great example of the dynamics involved with airline ops when weather/ATC hit the fan, with the underlying goal of minimizing the inconvenience to the fewest number of Customers possible.

AIRPORT: PHL
DELAY ASSIGNMENT MODE: DAS
ADL TIME: 1556Z
ARRIVALS ESTIMATED FOR: 01/1600Z - 02/0359Z
PROGRAM RATE: 36
FLIGHTS INCLUDED: ALL CONTIGUOUS US DEPARTURES
SCOPE: (ALL+CZY_AP) ZAB ZAU ZBW ZDC ZDV ZFW ZHU ZID ZJX ZKC ZLA ZLC
ZMA ZME ZMP ZNY ZOA ZOB ZSE ZTL
CANADIAN AIRPORTS INCLUDED: CYHZ CYOW CYUL CYYZ
DELAY ASSIGNMENT TABLE APPLIES TO: ZNY
MAXIMUM DELAY: 918
AVERAGE DELAY: 143
REASON: WEATHER, WIND
REMARKS: GDP WILL BE REVISED AS CONDITIONS WARRANT. USERS CAN RESUME
SUBSTITUTIONS.

[Edited 2004-12-02 22:31:02]
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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:00 am

This is a fascinating situation of how a change in routing can actually benefit. Does anyone know what kind of load was on that flight yesterday?

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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:05 am

I'm sure the load was VERY light- Flew SWA yesterday SEA-SLC with 30 pax onboard..... I'm sure it didn't inconvenience anybody and actually made most everyone happy!!
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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:07 am

>>>Does anyone know what kind of load was on that flight yesterday?

I don't get into specific load info (since it's proprietary) but suffice it to say that they were such that the above scenario could be handled like it was.
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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:51 am

PVD-SAN has been done when BWI was messed up, so they just overflew BWI to keep the aircraft going.
 
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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:00 pm

>I don't get into specific load info (since it's proprietary) but suffice it to say that they were such that the above scenario could be handled like it was.<

Which translates to the loads on LAX-MHT were good enough to make some money Big grin
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RE: Southwest 1125 Goes Nonstop LAX-MHT Today!

Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:27 am

Well done to SWA for thinking of such a scenario to keep the delays to a minimum, now if only we can get the major carriers to come up with a plan, instead of just cancelling flights!!

If there's anyone in SWA scheduling that can create a detour for me on my way back from RDU-PHL on 1/7 I won't complain as long as I can get an extra bit of spotting time! My wife might complain but I won't!



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