MaverickM11
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MEX/NRT Possible?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:20 am

Just curious if MEX-NRT is possible with any aircraft and a full load, or even decent load? JNB-SYD is about the same in terms of length, but JNB is about 2000' lower than MEX. Could a 747-400/A340/777 take a full load out of MEX bound for NRT?
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RE: MEX/NRT Possible?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:57 am

I hope that It is possible because there's a big rumour about Mexicana starting a route to Asia form MEX in the near future
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RE: MEX/NRT Possible?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:15 am

Does anyone know what the potential weight restriction is?
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RE: MEX/NRT Possible?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:47 pm

The short answer is NO. MEX-NRT its impossible given MEX classification of being a HOT and HIGH airport! Perhaps a NRT-MEX could be possible in A345.

But, we already have a link to Japan via YVR, we just need a link to China.

Because of the possible operation restrictions in MEX, it will be almost if not impossible for a Chinese carrier to launch flights with their own metal to MEX unless 5th freedom rights are given to stop @ YVR which I highly doubt it since Mexican government recently has not been so friendly with this kind of rights requests from foreign carriers. So, at the end we have that the only true possible options left are our two mexican carriers, much likely MX or AM, and given MXA's current Airbus fleet my vote goes to them, I bet MX will sooner or later will be flying to Asia with A340s via TIJ!


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RE: MEX/NRT Possible?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:52 pm

Perhaps a NRT-MEX could be possible in A345.

NRT-MEX could be done with a plethora of B-market aircraft... no C-market needed.

The return trip is feasible, but profitable would be another question.
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RE: MEX/NRT Possible?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:24 pm

JAL operates GRU-NRT with a stop-over in JFK, and VARIG operates GRU-NRT with a stop-over in LAX.

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RE: MEX/NRT Possible?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:31 pm

Another question is not feasibility but slots at NRT.
 
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RE: MEX/NRT Possible?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:36 am

Any idea where I could find out what is the range/payload of a given aircraft as the pressure altitude changes?
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britmex
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RE: MEX/NRT Possible?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 9:49 am

From what I have asked from flight operations staff sometimes a 20% performance decrease happens. Now tranaslate that to a transpacific flight and now many may figure why serving Asia from MEX is a very difficult task without 5th freedoms.

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RE: MEX/NRT Possible?

Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:51 am

NRT-MEX possible, MEX-NRT possible, but not very profitable because of the weight and balance restrictions.

Why you crack up your head sending it to YVR or LAX, why don´t you think on a little bit closer points, like TIJ, just a fuel stop (in that case ACA could serve, it receives all the heavy traffic when MEX gets closed) and maybe pick up some passengers, not telling that TIJ is ready right now for an A340, but, why not .......... ?  Big grin
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britmex
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RE: MEX/NRT Possible?

Sun Dec 05, 2004 7:52 am

Honestly everything is possible, however it depends most on government airport policies and not the airlines themselves. Just look at Reynosa mayor`s answer after an AM DC-9 overran the runway and crashed into a house some years ago; "..well our airport was made long before those huge aircraft(sic) were on service, only lightplanes(avionetas) used it...and time passed...". With those enourmosly stupid answers it is no wonder we still have centralized operations in MEX and we have not developed alternatives like CUN, ACA, MTY or TIJ which coud easily become international hubs and why not? attract some US passengers with low fares and superb service. Most foreign passengers, both US and European are highly pleased with AM and MX service. Just imagine a British passenger flying in an Aeromexico 767-300 from LGW and then making a short hop to IAD (or SAT or any other place) from MTY instead of enduring a nAAeless AAirline dismal service. Or a Korean pax flying from Seoul into ACA and then connecting into MEX with a very short flight. He could even spend some of his spare time in ACA and bring extra money to the economy.
However for this to happen Mexico needs more committed entrepreneurs and not only self styled "tycoons" who need government help to start a business and give abysmal service and dubious products, go bankrupt...and them blame "globalization" and the NAFTA for their own incompetence.

In order for MExico to develop markets and flights to Asia and other destinations more hubs are needed and a much improved airport infraestrucutre. I`m optimistic, we may see this happen in the not so distant future.

britmex

ps Emirates and Singapore Airlines developed in the same principle, a mega hub to offer connections and a superb service
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