flight152
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UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:09 pm

Why would a fairly new plane worth a good sum of money be kept in such bad condition?


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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:20 pm

It's in storage......Sept 11th.....Bankruptcy......
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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:22 pm

No money, not enough passengers, fuel costs too high, .....
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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:24 pm

It's kind of hard to say, really, that the airplane is in bad shape. Sure the paint is faded, but that's what happens when they sit in a sunny storage spot like VCV.

Why spend money to make it look better if it's just going to sit still?...


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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:25 pm

Don't know which aircraft this is, I assume that it is one of the ones parked at VCV and the photo was taken recently....If I'm corrent, than this aircraft no longer belongs to United so your question should be directed to the bank that owns the aircraft!
 
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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:28 pm

It's in storage......Sept 11th.....Bankruptcy......

Thanks for the in-depth, non-obvious comment.  Insane

The fact is, the plane could not have been there for more then 3 years and many other aircraft have been in storage much longer but remaining in better condition.
 
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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:34 pm

It was probably one returned to the lessor. UAL has pulled all of our 747's out of VCV and are in service. The ones we got rid of are still sitting. I go to work tomorrow, I will try to get some info for you.

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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:36 pm

Now when it goes back to the lessor isn't it their issue to take care of the a/c despite the fact that it has United colors? That or the recipient of the a/c.....

Thanks again.

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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:09 pm

I don't think the plane is in bad shape. Looks like windows and engines are covered. It may not look like much, but I'm sure it is well preserved.
 
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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:34 pm

The plane just looks like the paint has faded. It is all taped up and covered, which means it will not be B/U anytime soon. A lot of times the planes that will be put back into service look like crap because they are waiting to be put back into service and the old paint is not of consequence, and the tape makes them look cluttered
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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:39 pm

flight152,
to quote you....thanks for the in depth non obvious comment(non biased) as well.....i was in vcv on 11/15-16 and i can tell you that ual has on site mechs that keep servicing these a/c(the ones that ual still has)the a/c that you have ellequently so pictured does not belong to ual(take alook at the N number)..it has been covered up...the a/c that ual has kept that are--still--there have the reg numbers on the fuselage...even though the windows and wheels have been covered up...now if you want to see a/c in disrepair. take alook at those ex twa,aa 762s laying around like toys in the sand box with out wings,tails and engines on their sides with the starboard side windows looking straight up to the sky not to mention a load of delta metal which were 3 to 1 when it came to a/c parked there amongst all the other carriers there......got to watch a dismantling of a tower air 742 and it was incredible...sad to see it go that way as one can only think of where that a/c has been and now to see it torn to shreds
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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:00 am

You got an pictures of that? Uadc8?
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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:14 am

UAL has pulled all of our 747's out of VCV and are in service.

Again who is OUR, you dont work for UA (so says your profile) and your not a direct family member are you???

Anyway, your right, they are out of VCV, in fact, about 3-5 are to enter service again, but they are with NW now  Big thumbs up :LOL:
 
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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:20 am

Could it be the exposure in the photo? With the dark dirt it's sitting on, the plane ay have not been exposed enough. I know I've taken pictures with slightly off settings and the United planes looked pretty faded, though they weren't in reality. Just a thought.

You guys should see some of our United Express BAe-146s...talk about faded and unattractive. Those planes have zero shine to them. It's like they were painted with household paint or something.

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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:50 am

burnsie,
Stick to school, it seems the aviation world and you stating the obvious isn't your cup of tea.

UALDC8 does work for UAL, and don't be so naive, and don't believe everything you read.

jetblue,
those BAE-146's have been mules for AWAC. They have been to the mountains and sun baked for years. They are faded and old, imagine if they painted one in the new scheme. NICE. Smile


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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:55 am

slightly off subject-but when older planes like this one are converted to freighters the windows are usually removed (or are they simply covered?). Why-I know packages don't have to look outside but are windows heavier that 'no windows" -
 
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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:18 am

The fact is, the plane could not have been there for more then 3 years and many other aircraft have been in storage much longer but remaining in better condition.

Well, you can't really tell what condition it's in from a picture like this (don't assume the photographer knows what he's talking about in his comments, either). I don't see anything falling off of it, for example  Smile

Windows are taped up, other parts tied off, I mean maybe that's some of what you're seeing. When they tape stuff up it can look pretty sloppy, but that says nothing about the condition of the aircraft. They're not going for aesthetics, just to protect the plane.

The paint's faded, but this is the low desert after all. After three years, that's going to happen out there. You're talking bright, direct sunlight day in, day out, high temperatures, low humidity, lots of dust in the air. I've often wondered if this is really a good place to store aircraft; it seems like they'd age pretty quickly in such an environment.

slightly off subject-but when older planes like this one are converted to freighters the windows are usually removed (or are they simply covered?).

If anything, they're usually just plugged up or painted over, but often not even that:


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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:53 am

I believe that 744 could be put back into service within days. Even though it looks dirty, I'm sure all the essential aircraft systems have been sealed and maintained.

It just probably needs a good cleaning......unless it goes to Air France.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: UA 744 In Such Bad Shape?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:38 am

I believe UPS removes the plexiglass and plugs the holes as needed. Basically when the window is leaking or badly damaged. The whole reason aircraft are stored in the desert is that low humidity factor. They won't rot away nearly as quickly as they would in a more moist environment. Its all about corrosion of the structure. That 747 shown in the picture is still probably a very sound airframe in excellent shape just in need of new paint and probably interior. Of course it'll also need a good bath and the engines will need to be given a thorough run-up. There are certain things done to a plane in storage based on how long its supposed to be there and how quickly it needs to be capable of returning to service. Of course, the more ready a plane is kept, the more it costs to store.

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