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Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:06 pm

I've read that Allegiant might start flying into Orlando-Sanford (SFB), perhaps taking advantage of the fact that Southeast went belly up. What do you think of the possibility of Allegiant moving in to the east and maybe setting up a secondary sort of mini-hub. I know the citizens of Peoria, IL have been longing for a flight to Orlando, which I read in a news posting. I think SFB would be a fantastic hub with flights to the midwest and perhaps PBI and/or FLL.
 
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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:12 pm

maybe atcrick can confirm this or not but in a earlier thread on the same lines as this..i have been told by 2 g4 pilots that they have looked at starting fla service that would compliment their midwest cities that they serve ie:las-pia and las-dsm instead of overnighting in pia,,,run the a/c onto fla and overnight their vs pia.............
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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:03 pm

Allegiant plans to do something with all the planes they're supposedly picking up. I'd say expect it sometime next year if its going to happen.
 
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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:15 am

In the Southeast thread, Atcrick indicates that he is hearing of a May or June start at an airport in the Orlando area. See his post # 40 in thread and my post # 35 for more info about Peoria.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1842639/
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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:33 am

How is Allegiant service? Anyone here in the forum flown them?
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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:43 am

This past Wednesday they applied with DOT to offer service to Canada. They didn't mention where from the US they plan to start service from, however.
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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:48 am

Saw Allegiant at IAH on the 27th. Was that the start of regular service or just a charter?
 
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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:29 am

10MID, You must have seen a charter but I don't know who it might have been for. I've heard that Allegiant gets a lot of charters out of Texas with skiers in the winter, so maybe something to the Tahoe area???

MAH4546, thanks I hadn't had a chance to check the DMS this week. So Allegiant will probably add flights from Canadian cities to LAS, and possibly other US destinations as well.

Since the major Canadian cities already see service to LAS I would speculate there is possibilities for some of the smaller cities. Maybe Winnipeg, maybe one of the smaller cities that WestJet operates from?
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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:41 am

Good afternoon Uadc8contrail, FATFlyer, and all,

Again, FATFlyer is correct. I have heard we are talking about a May-ish startup with 2 or 3 aircraft and of course the crews based there to man them. I havent heard anything about a response to the shutdown of Southeast, but I'm not really sure we have the aircraft right now to do anything immediate anyway. I believe we are supposed to taked delivery of 2 more this month, but I have yet to hear of any firm dates, so based on past delivieries, that it going to be hard to make happen.

I havent heard ANYTHING about us applying to the DOT for Canadian authority but I will check into it.

I'll provide updates or start a new thread as I receive info.

Rgds,

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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:46 am

FATFlyer.....how many planes doe Allegiant have and how many do they have coming to them? I know of a couple cities in the midwest who would LOVE to get their hands on Allegiant to LAS.

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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:52 am

Rick, here is a link to the Canada application.
http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf90/306749_web.pdf

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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:00 am

Flyinryan99,

Allegiant currently has 10 aircraft. One(the lone remaining MD82) is going to be returned to its lessor later this month.

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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:00 am

Flyinryan, Allegiant currently has, I believe, 2 MD-87's and 8 MD-83's. Rick can confirm that number.

I understand from elsewhere that Allegiant currently has 5 aircraft lined up for delivery from SAS in early 2005. Current SAS reg #s LN-RMA, OY-KHK, SE-DIZ, LN-RMN, and OY-KHT. Of course that could still change.

http://www.allegiantair.com/route_map.htm
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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:03 am

FATFlyer,

Thanks for that attachment. I guess that sort of clears it up. You're information is accurate as usual. You look good on my respected users list.


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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:07 am

There are actually 2 due at just about anytime. I believe there are something like 12 more due next year so one a month. I've heard numbers as high as 18 but we'll just have to wait and see.
 
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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:13 am

Rick, Thanks for the respect, but also thank MAH, he saw the application before I did this time.

Jeb94, thanks for the updated info. I heard the ex-AeroMexico aircraft that came in is going to parts. Is that what happened?
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atcrick
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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:47 am

FATFlyer,

To answer for Jeb, the aircraft is in fact being parted out even as we speak in Walnut Ridge, Arkansas.

Jeb,

That sounds like an awfully optimistic delivery schedule for next year. Although, depending on what happens on the east coast (i.e. US Airways), maybe it might be feasible after all.


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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:54 am

I think, all things considered, one a month is extremely optimistic right now so I highly doubt 18 in a year. Even if SAS can supply them that quickly I'm not so sure Allegiant can take them that quickly.
 
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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 8:45 am

Rick, I don't consider these too earthshattering at this point, but you might be interested in a little info from elsewhere about cities trying to recruit G4.

Santa Maria is using possible Allegiant service to design their terminal expansion.
http://www.santamariatimes.com/articles/2004/12/03/news/local/news06.txt

While Evansville says they are talking to Allegiant about starting service.
http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/197826-8944-223.html
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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 9:09 am

FATFlyer,

Sounds like SMX really has some expansion to do before we could operate in and out of there. I can just imagine the logistical nightmares we would face if we started service there with the current terminal facilities.

I had heard rumors about discussions with EVV. And I'm not sure if you know this or not, but I hear that we have been very dissapointed with the Redding market so far and it may not be long for this world. We'll see.


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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:30 am

Are you sure that SMX will be successful, considering RDD has been marginal at best? EVV sounds like a better choice.

I've flown Allegiant Air several times between ICT and LAS (three to be exact). Their service is not really any different than any other carrier, but the direct LAS flight is very convenient and the fares are really reasonable. I would recommend them in a heartbeat.
 
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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:39 pm

I've heard that RDD has struggled a bit. Of course there is always a way to spin it, which is it what seems Redding has tried to do. I saw this quote a few weeks ago: (published November 6)

"From the beginning, Allegiant has said that if the demand were there it would add more flights to Las Vegas.

Redding Airports Manager Rod Dinger said this week that the flights have been averaging 110 passengers. Not surprisingly, Fridays are more popular than Mondays.

While the MD-83 seats 162 passengers, Allegiant has taken out some seats to give "passengers more leg room," Dinger said.

Dinger speculated that if Allegiant were to add a Wednesday flight, "we would see Mondays pick up because you wouldn't be gone as long."

"They realize that, but they don't want to assign equipment (more jets) until the community commitment is there," Dinger added.


http://www.redding.com/redd/nw_columnists/article/0,2232,REDD_17528_3308994,00.html
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atcrick
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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:24 pm

Wedgetail,

I havent heard from you in awhile. Nice to see you back on the board. As far as SMX goes, no, I actually have my doubts on whether or not it would work. Markets like RDD, SMX, and other small communities have diminished over the past several years to the point where all they can support is regional size aircraft. Some have tried, most have pulled out after there subsidy from the city(if any) ran out.

Fatflyer,

I think you've hit a serious nail on the head there. It must be tough for the marketing folks to determine they need to add service to a city which isnt doing very well anyway, albeit the shorter stay in LAS factor. I have also heard rumblings about cities like RAP, SPS, Casper, Rochester MN, just to name a few.

FYI,

right now we are being bombarded with adhoc charters carrying around college football teams. I guess basketball is next.

Rgds,


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RE: Allegiant Opening Eastern Routes?

Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:49 pm

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