Namaskar
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Intl Carriers Shuttling PAX Domestic

Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:18 am

In an old OAG timetable I was checking connections between Cape Town and Munich. This was at the time when Lufthansa flew FRA-JNB-CPT on a B744 and MUC-JNB on an A343 (currently, they fly FRA-JNB and FRA-CPT on separate B744s). According to the old timetable, back then passengers wishing to fly on LH from CPT to Munich could fly the CPT-JNB leg on LH's 744 continuing to FRA, deplane in JNB, and then switch to the A343 heading to MUC.

Am I reading this correctly? And if so, under what arrangement is the intl carrier permitted to shuttle pax on a domestic leg in order to connect pax to another flight in its network?

I also have some vague recollection that pax who flew pre-9/11 on the then KE flight to LAX with a stopover in HNL were permitted a stopover in HNL and could continue on a different day to LAX on the same KE flight. This applied only to pax who had a through ticket SEL-LAX on KE and not pax first boarding in HNL.

Would be interested to hear your insights on this topic!
 
hardiwv
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RE: Intl Carriers Shuttling PAX Domestic

Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:31 am

Very interesting.

CO does the same in Brazil with its flights EWR-GRU-GIG and IAH-GRU. CO pax from IAH travelling to GIG deboard the plane and are then carried on the EWR flights GRU-GIG!

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Catatonic
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RE: Intl Carriers Shuttling PAX Domestic

Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:33 am

Qantas do MAN-LHR, if thats what you mean
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legendDC9
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RE: Intl Carriers Shuttling PAX Domestic

Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:36 am

Airlines can only take through passengers on in a domestic flight of another country and can only take int'l pax from another country to a third if they have received 5th freedom rights.

LY runs TLV-ORD-LAX and TLV-YYZ-LAX with thru pax.
 
Namaskar
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RE: Intl Carriers Shuttling PAX Domestic

Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:45 pm

Thanks for the replies. Indeed quite interesting. By that token, could a passenger wishing to fly Qantas from JFK to MEL get on the Sydney bound flight in JFK, then switch to the MEL bound flight in LAX? Or is s/he forced to take the flight all the way to SYD and then make a connection?

LegendD9: thanks for the explanation on through flights. However, I was interested in the rights of the intl airline to allow pax to get on and off in a foreign country. For example, I fly on OA with a through ticket ATH to YYZ. There is an intermediate stop in YUL. Could I get off in YUL for a few days, then continue to YYZ on the same OA flight number a few days later by virtue of the fact that I have a through ticket and am not originating domestically?
 
JoFMO
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RE: Intl Carriers Shuttling PAX Domestic

Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:21 am

@Namaskar:

Your first implication is right.

Another example are the LH flights from FRA and MUC to BKK. They both arrive at the same time and you can change between each other onward to SGN/KUL and MNL.

But what you discribed in your first question is a domestic connection. But I can't think of any other example than the given one of QF and LH.
 
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RE: Intl Carriers Shuttling PAX Domestic

Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:34 am

But is it really a domestic leg? the flight leaving CPT is international, so pax will pass through customs in CPT, then they will be in transit in JNB for the flight to MUC so technically it is not a domestic flight but an international one.
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legendDC9
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RE: Intl Carriers Shuttling PAX Domestic

Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:42 am

"There is an intermediate stop in YUL. Could I get off in YUL for a few days, then continue to YYZ on the same OA flight number a few days later by virtue of the fact that I have a through ticket and am not originating domestically?"

Most int'l carriers will not allow you to do what you suggest since you will be infact taking a domestic leg. It would be concidered a "lay-over" which is not allowed, unless the carrier is allowed to compete on that route, in your case YUL-YYZ.