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Air New Zealand & SFO

Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:31 pm

Now that Air New Zealand has been operating into SFO for almost 6 months, I was wondering if anyone knows how the loads are doing on the SFO-Auckland route. Thanks.



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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:59 pm

SFO is performing above expectations. The route will be one of the first to go 777 next year and frequency may well increase.
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Sat Dec 04, 2004 9:56 pm

If SFO is performing better than expected, why not keep the 744 on the route?
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Sat Dec 04, 2004 10:23 pm

Presumably to allow an increase in frequency - it is only 3 times weekly at the moment...

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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Sun Dec 05, 2004 9:15 am

I will certainly be using SFO as my gateway to the US - anything to avoid terminal 2 at LAX....
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:42 am

SFO was/is due to be the first route to get the new long haul product from June next year aswell.

Good to see its going well!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Sun Dec 05, 2004 12:46 pm

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SFO was/is due to be the first route to get the new long haul product from June next year aswell.

AKL-LAX-LHR is the first route to get the new cabins, with the B744
AKL-SFO is the first 'real' route to get the B777 with the new cabins
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Sun Dec 05, 2004 12:58 pm

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I was under the impression that until there was enough aircraft ready that SFO would get the 744's first before LAX-LHR. LAX-LHR takes 3 aircraft to run a daily service so that would mean that only 2 maybe 3 services a week would get an upgraded aircraft until there was more than 1 aircraft reconfigured.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:22 pm

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LAX-LHR will be having the first flight of the new cabin 744s
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:28 pm

ZK-NBT is correct. SFO will be the first route to receive the new product, in the second week of June 2005..

AKL-LAX-LHR will follow, when enough aircraft are available to operate the new product on every daily flight.
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:47 pm

Are they going to have connexion by boeing on the upgraded 744 and 777?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:57 pm

The IFE will have cached websites available, but not live internet or email. However, NZ has requested the system be designed with the capacity to add these features later.
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Sun Dec 05, 2004 6:01 pm

Yes, so SFO is the first route with the 777 and the new peoduct (not including the familiarisation flights probably going trans tasman) when will SIN or HKG see these aircraft?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Sun Dec 05, 2004 11:26 pm

I guess that SIN and HKG are the next destinations to follow for the 777. To both destinations NZ has big competition in the form of SQ and CX which have a superior product. NZ's other 763 routes to Japan, TPE and the Pacific are not that heavy rivalled.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:29 am

cant beleave that they been flying 6 months, god thats got to be a route to keep flying on maybe see double services in the near future!! keep the money comming in.. just waititng to see what there half year profit will look like in feb ?! and getting even more excited for the new product, cant wait nearly another 6 months tho!!

and as for terminal 2 at lax well ill be there in Jan, only my second time ive flown here, not looking towards it tho, can't we move the london route up and through SFO??!! be much nicer..

ANZ youve done us good keep up the good work!!!
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:52 am

Any news on how CHC-LAX is performing? Do you think this route will remain or...
a) capacity shifted to SFO?
b) re-routed AKL-LAX?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:58 am

>Any news on how CHC-LAX is performing?<

I have heard it is also doing well and will go to a daily 777, much like AKL-SFO
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:14 am

Any news on how CHC-LAX is performing?

My parents flew CHC-LAX two weeks after service was inaugurated. They said that the load was real light (tons of open seats). I'm sure that passenger traffic will climb as publicity of this route grows.

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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:56 am

Will the success of AKL-SFO encourage them to fly AKL-PPT-ORD or something like that?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:21 am

Any news on how CHC-LAX is performing?

02-26-290 is the load tonight as of right now on NZ19 LAX-CHC, if anyone is interested.

Not totally full, but not amazingly empty, either.

We've been having a good run with the new CHC service! Like pilottim747 said, as word-of-mouth spreads about this service (and of the South Island of New Zealand itself as a destination), I'm sure we'll see this service become more popular when it is re-introduced as a 3x/weekly service in November 2005 (beginning in April 2005 and through the end of October 2005, this flight will only operate once-weekly on Sunday's from LAX).

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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:23 am

>Will the success of AKL-SFO encourage them to fly AKL-PPT-ORD or something like that?<

Probably not for 2 reasons. First, there is already a lot of capacity on the PPT-US routes, all throught LAX, with TN, AF, NZ all operating scheduled services. The biggest customers for those routes are cruise operators and high end package vacation sellers all can route through LAX with usually no more than 1 stop. Since NZ is a STAR member and partner with UA on most of their US domestic flights, they can just route ORD pax through LAX or SFO without having to dedicate equipment or staff to ORD
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:16 am

Personally I would of thought SYD-AKL-ACA-ORD would work really well for NZ.
Mexico City being at Altitude probably isn't realistic for a fully laden 744.
Such a route gives

1. A direct link between NZ/AUST and Mexico for businessmen.

2. Direct route to the US Northeast and Canada

4. Strengthens AKL to Australia
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:15 pm

Any news on how CHC-LAX is performing?

From what I have heard it is very sketchy. Best that TG992 answers this question.

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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:25 pm

We're booked in C in Early Jan, and currently only about 15 seats in that class taken (CHC-LAX).

 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:02 pm

If SFO-AKL will go 777, won't this flight be weight restricted? I remember flying AKL-LAX on a 777, and about 30 seats had to be left open.

How many seats are usually left open on the CO's EWR-HKG?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:01 pm

I think when United flew LAX-AKL with the 777 it was 180min ETOPS but NZ maybe 207mins ETOPS although I'm not entirely sure. They are looking to run LAX-CHC with the 777 which is of course further still.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:16 am

If NZ flies the 777-200ER on the SFO-AKL route, it will be interesting to see if they can fly close to a full load on these flights. It will depend on what engines power these 772ER's and whether NZ can get at least 207-minute ETOPS certification for flight.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:22 am

>If NZ flies the 777-200ER on the SFO-AKL route, it will be interesting to see if they can fly close to a full load on these flights. It will depend on what engines power these 772ER's and whether NZ can get at least 207-minute ETOPS certification for flight.<

The UA 772ER that flew the LAX-AKL flight was only ETOPS 180 and had the lowest rated engines available on the 772ER. The NZ planes will be much better equiped to handle the flights
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:50 am

AKL-LAX-LHR is the first route to get the new cabins, with the B744
AKL-SFO is the first 'real' route to get the B777 with the new cabins


TG992 is correct. SFO is the 1st city to get upgraded 744, followed by AKL-LAX and then on to LHR later.

777's will be used solely on AKL-SYD-AKL and AKL-SFO to start with. Further aircraft arrivals will see them deployed on CHC-LAX and into Asia, with new routes to be also added. I can't tell you yet so don't ask.

As for loads between CHC and LAX. I checked last week, and the loads to LAX weren't that impressive, however the aircraft was nearly full on the return flight to CHC.

Any more questions, please ask.

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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:02 am

So I guess I should enjoy the NZ 744 at SFO while it last.
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:17 pm

Seeing as the first upgraded cabin is scheduled to come on line in 6 months, how come we can't book "premium economy" yet?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:28 pm

Have the CHC-LAX flights affected loads on AKL-LAX at all?

 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:37 pm

No idea as to why you can't book prmium economy Gasman. I don't work in reservations. One guess would be that until enough upgraded aircraft are available for a particular route, it will be sold as the status quo, with frequent flyers being upgraded on the aircraft as a bonus.

The AKL-LAX loads are still pretty good.

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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:23 pm

Ditto, from a set point, you can no longer book first. Presume a one-class food service in Biz/First, but priority seating for Frequent Fliers. (On old-layout aircraft).

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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:08 pm


Returning to the ETOPS issue; I cannot see it having any relevance since ANZ are currently flying 767 -300ER's over the same route ; admittedly non-stop but in the same airspace. So unless the 777-200ER has a lesser ETOPS rating than the 767-300ER, which doubt, it would seem to me to be a non-issue.
Put very simply, there would be no business case for the type on the ANZ long haul Pacific routes unless the ETOPS was at least equal to or better than the 767-300ER.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:58 pm

Idon't think that SFO stole LAX a lot of traffic. NZ kept it's frequencies to north America unchanged. Befor introducing SFO they had 17 flights to LAX. Now they have 14 to LAX and 3 to SFO. There are 3 additional flights CHC-LAX.
But keep in mind that NZ had till the end of 2002 14 flights to LAX and 7 codehsres with UA also to LAX. So Star Alliance traffic is the same than 4 years ago.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:05 pm

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and as for terminal 2 at lax well ill be there in Jan, only my second time I've flown here, not looking towards it tho, can't we move the london route up and through SFO??!! be much nicer..

Well i've been told this is something they have looked at, nothing major or or definite at this stage but the idea has been raised.


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777's will be used solely on AKL-SYD-AKL and AKL-SFO to start with. Further aircraft arrivals will see them deployed on CHC-LAX and into Asia, with new routes to be also added. I can't tell you yet so don't ask.

Is route been loaded into some advanced schedules program?? I've been told a new destination and it's loaded in this "program"

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Seeing as the first upgraded cabin is scheduled to come on line in 6 months, how come we can't book "premium economy" yet?


Training ect will happen mid Feb! so all will take place then...
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:41 am

Many thanks for the info on the first 777 routes! Hope to fly AKL-SYD or vv on the NZ 777 in Oct or Nov 2005. Nothing in the CRSs as of Friday even that far ahead.

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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:59 pm

What proportion of USA business do Australian residents provide Air NZ.

Would also be interested to see how the 5pw same plane B744's between MEL and LAX via AKL are going.

I think Air NZ may increase this to daily if it proves profitable.

Any insight from u guys over in NZ??

 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:09 pm

I read that the LAX-LHR sector is very lucritive in an article in the NZ hearld a few weeks ago, and that was kind of stopping NZ from moving away from their LAX hub. SFO-LHR probably wouldn't have as much traffic as LAX-LHR, but for NZ being a fifth Freedom carrier they might be able to get enough traffic to operate AKL-SFO-LHR daily. Los Angeles though is the second largest city in the US though.

Could NZ in the future move most LAX services to SFO including NZ1/2? Plus CHC-SFO and AKL-NAN-SFO etc, maybe just leave a daily AKL-LAX 744 serivce, and have a daily AKL-SFO-LHR 744 and a AKL-SFO-AKL 772 service.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:16 pm

number one  Smile

a bit off topic... but..
What happend to the idea of the NZ 744's being named and having a New Zealand city decal?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:34 pm

Welcome to the forums NZ747.  Smile Hope you enjoy your time here.

I guess the names and decals will be applied as the cabins are upgraded.

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From BNE alot of the traffic would be continuing to the US the 744 for there is packed almost everyday.

At this stage there is a 6th weekly 744 AKL-MEL next winter listed on Tuesdays. Though that could change since its still a few months away.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:12 pm

NZ747, welcome. I heard that the names will be painted on very soon when the various aircraft go in for their checks. I remember reading that it will be painted on before the cabin overhauls.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:52 pm

Welcome NZ747, hope your stay is a long and enjoyable one Smile

What happend to the idea of the NZ 744's being named and having a New Zealand city decal? The decals and city names are still happening, first named B744 will be rolling out next year.

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RE: Air New Zealand & SFO

Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:01 pm

777's will be used solely on AKL-SYD-AKL and AKL-SFO to start with. Further aircraft arrivals will see them deployed on CHC-LAX and into Asia, with new routes to be also added. I can't tell you yet so don't ask.
Is route been loaded into some advanced schedules program?? I've been told a new destination and it's loaded in this "program"


No idea if its been loaded mate. Just reaing off the emails I have in front of me at the mo.

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