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AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sat Dec 04, 2004 10:49 pm

According to today's Irish Times American are to serve Chicago and Boston from Dublin and Shannon. The daily services are expected to begin May 2005 and an official announcement may be made as early as Monday. Should spawn a nice bit of competition on the EI routes.
 
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:02 pm

What equipment would you reckon they are going to use on these routes?
Will they both be 767-300 or maybe 777 on ORD-DUB?
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:03 pm

I am guessing that this is the beginning of the end for EI in OneWorld. I wonder if they do 757s from BOS, so they do both SNN and DUB
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:23 pm

If history is any guide and dirtball Dan Garton has anything to say about the service, they will use 757 with no amenities in FC. Americans first class should be renamed - "Coach Plus"
 
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:08 am

It would be a 763 from ORD
757 from BOS, if this is indeed true.
 
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:45 am

General Information:
* Latest Changes updated as of December 3, 2004.
Next http://www.aa.com load reflecting the latest changes is December 5, 2004.

BOS - SNN Effective May 1, 2005 757-200 (sold as all coach, best customers placed in first class seats.)

ORD - DUB Effective May 1, 2005 767-300 (ORD-HNL reduced from two to one daily nonstop.)
 
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:59 am

Americans first class should be renamed - "Coach Plus"

....why not, that's how they've been treating their intercon Business class for yearssssss.
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 2:44 am

The schedules are:

AA 212 BOS 2025-0715 SNN 757 Daily
AA 211 SNN 1125-1255 BOS 757 Daily

AA 92 ORD 1935-0850 DUB 763 Daily
AA 93 DUB 1100-1250 ORD 763 Daily
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 2:47 am

AA will indeed be using a 763 on the ORD-DUB flight, and reduce their ORD-HNL traffic to one daily. My CFI will be flying one of the first flights to DUB on the AA 763. Very exciting news to see AA doing into other countries in Europe!!!

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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 8:17 am

Just don't get why one is SNN, and the other would be DUB. You would think they would do both to DUB, or a Triangle out of BOS. It does seem that EI, in Oneworld is not doing so good. Also, will we see BOS-MAN, back in the game?
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 8:22 am

Though Im a big EI fan I think this is great news, yet another american carrier into DUB, though whether US will be around too much longer we will just have to wait to see. Think AA are the best u.s. airline though must say i've never travelled on one of their 767s
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 8:32 am

It looks like flight 96 JFK-MAN, will be operating next year again for the summer season.
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 8:32 am

Phew, I checked since I'm flying on an ORD-HNL segment in June, fortunetely they are keeping flight 72/73, which is the one I'm on.

 
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 9:49 am

Aa767400:

To the best of my knowledge, part of the agreement between the Irish and the US is that you must serve both Irish cities (Dublin and Shannon) if you wish to serve Ireland via air.


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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:00 am

>Just don't get why one is SNN, and the other would be DUB. You would think they would do both to DUB, or a Triangle out of BOS.<

Since BOS has such a big Irish population, they can fill a 757 to SNN alone, and then run the 763 ORD-DUB with no SNN stop, because of the 50/50 rule.

>It does seem that EI, in Oneworld is not doing so good. Also, will we see BOS-MAN, back in the game?<

EI has had a contentious relationship with OneWorld, especially AA, for a while now. Mainly because AA has strong market share in BOS and JFK and wants to fly their own metal to Ireland.

BOS-MAN is already going, with the same 1 class 757 service as BOS-SNN will have. It is a good idea what they are doing, as they can maximize yields with a much more simple fare structure.
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:18 am

"To the best of my knowledge, part of the agreement between the Irish and the US is that you must serve both Irish cities (Dublin and Shannon) if you wish to serve Ireland via air."

Your right, but its not an agreement with the American and Irish. If there were a Canadian airline going form Ireland to Canada, they would have to do it as well.
I think its more if an airline is going Transatlantic out of or into an Irish Airport (Dublin or Shannon), it has to do it...Even Aer Lingus have to serve half of there flights either from or a stop off in Shannon airport.

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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:44 am

Great news! And I have to believe that AA's decision to do this was partly due to the success of the BOS-MAN nonstops. Passengers accepted the 757 overwater, making such 'long-and-thin' routes viable. Had BOS-MAN failed, I don't think you'd have seen the SNN service.

Now, here's an issue: Delta Airlines is set to open up a pretty spiffy terminal of their own at Boston next year. It was my belief that they were contemplating some international service, and that Ireland was a likely market. Indeed, with Boston having such a large Irish-American population I have always been puzzled as to why only an Irish flag carrier served the market and not a U.S. one as well.

So, with AA's entrance doesn't this spell checkmate for Delta's desire to serve Boston-Ireland as well? Three's a Crowd in this market--even with it being a strong market--so I have to believe DL has just been snookered. I don't know what other international markets exist that DL could enter with any hope of succeeding. Italy is the only one that comes to mind. They failed miserably at London (as did UA), so what else is there?? And when plans for the new Delta terminal were announced, it was with the expectation that international service would debut.

It appears now--to this observer at least--that the Delta terminal in Boston will open in 2005 with a rather underwhelming array of service...and probably none of it new.

And now...back to our regularly-scheduled program: Kudos to AA for launching this service!! Good job!

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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 11:17 am

On a flight around 6 hours, what do you want???
Let's insert the new flat beds and the flagship suites and how about an all flight buffet instead of a Y cabin. Please . . .
They don't sell the F seats, they give the seats to the elite members and full fares passengers. So it's not like you're paying for someting you aren't getting. The Bos service takes less time than a transcon but, as you'll have it, let's run a 777 across to DUB or SNN for 4-5 million people and while we are at it make it 5x daily.
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 11:48 am

Indeed, the BOS-SNN flight is a pretty quick one. I think if there were two planes in Boston, one heading west to Denver and the other heading east to Shannon, they'd probably arrive at the same time. That kind of flight is absolutely 757-worthy. Coming back the other way it's of course longer (wind in your face, plus a more northerly ETOPS routing), but a 757 on this flight seems almost Princely when you realize that AA is using 737s (!) between Boston and LAX.

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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 2:10 pm

BOS - MAN starts back up for the summer season on May 1, 2005
BOS - CDG starts back up for the summer season on May 1, 2005
ORD - GLA starts back up for the summer season on May 1, 2005.
ORD - FCO starts back up for the summer season on March 2, 2005
JFK - FCO starts back up for the summer season on April 3, 2005

and still to be announced is BOS - GLA on May 1, 2005.
 
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:07 pm

By the way,
SNN-BOS: 4650km
BOS-LAX: 4200km
BOS-ANC: 5400km

bos-den is only 2800km
 
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:32 pm

AA is smart adding all this service to Ireland and all of that but I am still waiting for them to upgrade LAX-BOS. I think they should operate a 757 LAX-BOS then have it continue on BOS-SNN then come back. Although they probably wont it would be a ton better than those 738's for 6 hours.
 
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:54 pm

Does this mean that AA will stop or continue codesharing with EI????
 
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 5:10 pm

I'm not sure if I like the sound of an AA 757-200 on SNN-BOS (or other transatlantic routes). I flew on one earlier this year and found the economy seating to be extremely uncomfortable. The cabin had the old light blue seats which lacked padding and were pratically threadbare. Is AA in the process of upgrading their 757 interiors?
 
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 6:22 pm

AA and EI are both One World members. But I don't think they will be code sharing because they fly on the same routes. For instance BA and CX are also a One world member. They don't code share on flights from LHR-HKG & HKG-LHR. But EI code shares with BA on flights to and from the UK only using EI a/c. BA also doesn't code share some flights with smaller a/c with EI to Ireland as they operate small props or Embraer-145's.
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 7:33 pm

FlewGSW,

Is BOS-GLA firm ? If so do you have any idea when it'll be announced ?

This is great news for us all in Glasgow if AA pick up where NW left off and restart GLA-BOS.

Cheers

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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 8:57 pm

I wonder what the hold up is. If it is still to be announced then why not announce it? There must be something there that isn't right, possibly stand allocation at GLA as it will be very congested during the Summer mornings. If this new BOS service does commence I think we could see an AA757 sitting on the new remote stands. Unless they have a very quick turnaround.

But I'll wait till its announced.
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:27 pm

>I think they should operate a 757 LAX-BOS then have it continue on BOS-SNN then come back. Although they probably wont it would be a ton better than those 738's for 6 hours.<

AA flew 757s on the LAX route up until last year, and for years before mixed them with 762s (Saddly, both the AA and UA planes that hit the WTC were 762s BOS-LAX). I have flown both many times. With increased competition from HP and B6 on the routes, AA has downsized to the 738. Also, how is a 752 any different from a pax standpoint on the route from a 738? They have the exact same cabin cross section, and the 738s still have MRTC and the newer Recaro seats with winged headrests, while the 752s have neither.
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:18 am

This is indeed great new, and I've been waiting for this for years.

One concern: I notice that the AA flight from DUB leaves 1100am. What's going to happen with US immigration at DUB? Already the lines are rather long . . . and space is extremely limited in the lower level B gates. The DUB pre-clearance facility is a small operation. Considering that EI105 leaves daily at 1030am (333), the LAX flight departs 1145am (332), the DL128 to ATL goes 1140am (763). Throw in an AA 763 at 1100am and things are going to get tight.

Gate space is going to be at a premium as well. Remember CO arrive 0745 and depart 0930. US arrive around 0800 and don't depart until 115pm. Not sure about BOS-DUB flights, as they are mostly routed through SNN, so those departing aircraft can use the C pier.
 
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:34 am

As N1120a said, the reason the 738s are now used on the route rather than the mix of 738s, 757s, and 1 767-300 is that with the removal of MRTC from the 757 fleet the only option was to fly 737s or 767s. AA, obviously, went for the former probably realizing that the 767s would be too much capacity. I think the BOS transcons have taken a bit of a hit because I think the fear that with the Empire State Building still there, as well as Philly, Baltimore, and DC still intact, who knows...it could happen again. That's why you don't see larger planes on BOS-LAX. SFO, being a less lucrative route, still features 757s without the MRTC seating.

Anyway, that's good news to hear about the new routing. I hope that it's as much of a success as BOS-MAN has been. Although, as much as I'd like to see BOS-GLA I don't think that it would be financially successful. I think that might squeeze yields from the other flights, particularly the London flights.

Also, do any Boston members know if AA will be able to disembark at Terminal B. Terminal E is getting crammed at that time of day (1230-1300) with LH, BA, AZ, AA (LHR and MAN), and formerly LX, but they could also bring back their 12:40 arrival time. All these flights arrive within (usually) 30-45 mins of each other with LH or AZ usually starting things off around 12:30, LX (formerly) coming right behind 5-10 mins later, then BA and AA trading off for first LHR arrival but usually landing within 10-15 mins of each other. Add to that the fact that half the immigration and customs halls are under construction you have holds on the aircraft for up to 45 mins for some of the unfortunate, later arrivals.

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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:46 am

I'm thrilled AA is adding new transatlantic flights, especially to Ireland. I hope the new service does well, since AA is always quick to drop a route if it isn't fast, easy money.

From JFK, I've seen us lose service to Lyon, Geneva, Stuttgart, Hamburg, Frankfurt and Manchester. All great layovers! They are missed!
 
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:25 am

"Although, as much as I'd like to see BOS-GLA I don't think that it would be financially successful."

By all accounts this was a very profitable route for the NWA DC-10. But the KLM partnership meant that most tx traffic would go to AMS.
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:28 am

Both flights are already open for booking as of today Dec. 5.
 
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:53 am

"Also, do any Boston members know if AA will be able to disembark at Terminal B?

Not a Boston member, but if I'm correct, Term. B at Logan does not have an FIS. If an option were available, AA blocks the a/c at B and busses pax/crew over to E. partially solves the gate hold issue, but, alas, doesn't address the issue of congestion in the Customs' hall.
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:24 am

Why is BOS getting all of these new flights...what about JFK (they're European Gateway)?

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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Mon Dec 06, 2004 3:32 pm

Good question AA787.

One billion dollar terminal opening. I still can't fly anywhere near the amount of cities Delta serves nonstop from JFK.

I would like to know what the hell they are doing.

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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:50 am

Does anybody know why JFK is getting shafted here?

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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:13 pm

Yes, but Ireland has US Immigration pre-clearance. I know Aer Lingus arrive and depart from Terminal E, but they get fast tracked right through immigration and don't go through the same queues.

Also, AA is hardly shafting JFK. BOS may be getting some new routes but they're on 757s! AA fly 5-6 daily 777s to LHR (compared to BOS's 2), also year round to CDG (BOS-CDG is only seasonal), not to mention the Central and South American and Caribbean routes, most of which BOS do not have. JFK-MAN is codeshared on BA's existing 767. Also, JFK is hardly AA's European gateway. That title most likely goes to ORD. Once the JFK terminal is finished, I'm sure you'll see more trans-Atlantic routes.

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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:55 pm

Okay, we've got BOS-SNN and ORD-DUB. But where's the BOS-DUB and ORD-SNN? Unless both flights are continuing to the other city, there's something missing here.

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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:02 pm

Okay, we've got BOS-SNN and ORD-DUB. But where's the BOS-DUB and ORD-SNN? Unless both flights are continuing to the other city, there's something missing here.

There is nothing missing.

For every flight that a US or Irish carrier flies between Dublin and the US, then they must fly one to Shannon. They do not have to go to the same destination.
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RE: AA Set To Commence Irish Flights

Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:06 am

I notice that these are daily flights until the Winter timetable kicks-in, when they will go to 3 weekly flights. Will finally be fantastic to have AA here in Ireland, with CO, DL, US and AC next summer  Smile/happy/getting dizzy