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Keep A Lookout On A Possible UPS Order.

Thu Mar 16, 2000 1:45 pm

This is just a rumour but there has been speculation that UPS will announce shortly on a long range, high capacity freighter order.
This could only mean one of two things either UPS being a launch customer for the 777PF   just as they were with the 757 and 767 PF or an order for the 747-400F. I think the latter of the two is going to be the winner. Keep your eyes and ears open the next few months
 
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RE: Keep A Lookout On A Possible UPS Order.

Thu Mar 16, 2000 4:32 pm

How much do you think winning the China routes would influence their decision? It might not change the China volume that much, but it'll give them more options as far a hub slots are concerned.

As much as I like the 777, I'm betting that they'll end up with the 747. However, a 777F is still inevitable.
 
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RE: Keep A Lookout On A Possible UPS Order.

Fri Mar 17, 2000 12:29 am

Bryan,

The China routes are going to be a major impact in the decision. UPS's volume will increase alot out of China because now they rely on other carriers to fly in and out of mainland China for them. UPS flys direct to Hong Kong and Tiawan. From there somebody else carries the load to other cities in China. This costs more money and also you have to rely on whatever capacity may be open on the aircraft. If the plane is full then the freight will have to wait.
I too would like to see a 777 freighter but I think the 747-400F is going to be the aircraft of choice here. It has already been acknowleged in the DOT filing, UPS disclosed plans to fly six weekly frequencies between Ontario, Calif.; Anchorage, Alaska; Beijing, and Shanghai using Boeing 747 freighter aircraft. In addition, UPS said it would fly an additional four weekly frequencies between Newark, Anchorage, Shanghai and Tokyo, also using Boeing 747's.
IF UPS does receive the China routes they would need more 74's to serve China along with the other destinations. The 747-100 and 200's are getting a little old.

 
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RE: Possibly The 777F?

Fri Mar 17, 2000 2:00 am

I can't wait to see what happens, but I agree with you guys; I think it will be the 747-400F. However, just on a little side note. In 'Boeing 777' by Norris & Wagner, there is a comment that says:
"Boeing is so sure the 777 will eventually be offered as a Combi or an all-freight aircraft in the future that a huge cargo door has already been designed. The door is now available as an option and adds about 992 pounds to the overall weight."
Interesting, huh? Does anybody know if this still is an option? The book was published in 1996.
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RE: Possibly The 777F?

Fri Mar 17, 2000 2:14 am

I remember seeing on the surf.to/orders website that UPS was seen as a potential 744F customer, so I'd expect them to go for that.
However, I agree that the 777F is inevitable. It's much the same size as the MD11, which was highly regarded as a freighter (well, it had to be good at something) and now that this is out of the way, the 777 is a natural successor. Given the room for growth in the freight market, particularly in Asia, it's only a matter of time. I'd expect SIA, Malaysia, JAL, Korean Air, Asiana and United to be among the lead customers. Maybe if KLM went for the 777, Martinair might follow and replace its MD11s with 777s as well; it also operates M1Fs. (I'm just watching a Martinair MD11 video at the moment, so that comes to mind).

Hopefully, for many current MD11 operators, the list of interested parties won't include FedEx; I'm sure most current MD11 operators - SR, KL, AZ, are hoping FedEx will find a home for their aircraft!
 
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RE: Keep A Lookout On A Possible UPS Order.

Fri Mar 17, 2000 5:37 am

I heard talk of thenm ordering the A 350 (A 3XX) if launched.

Jeremiah Teahan

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Teahan's A3XX Issues

Fri Mar 17, 2000 5:59 am

Yawn.......here we go again. If it's the A3XX I'll eat an aileron. And if you're hearing voices that say that, you may need help! (Oh, c'mon, I'm kidding. As I hope you were also.)
 
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RE: Jtb106

Fri Mar 17, 2000 6:03 am

I heard that UPS was a possible A 350 (A 3XX) Freighter launch customer. I seriously did. I swear to god.

Jeremiah Teahan

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RE: A3XXF

Fri Mar 17, 2000 7:32 am

Actually, I hope so! That way a non-Pacific coast guy like myself would have a chance to see one (If built, of course). Are ailerons good with white or red wine?

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