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Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:47 pm

presently on www.orf.at (austrian official tv website):

china is about to sign an agreement for 23 airbus jets (19 A319 + 4 A330).
fot a total value of 1 billion euro. until 2006 air china wants to add a total of 41 new planes to its fleet.

also the A380 will be discussed.

in the end, its all about politics...
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:54 pm

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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:11 pm

The Chinese are sweetening Europe up before they demand the arms embrago is fully dismantled.
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:25 pm

Schroder visiting Beijing!!
 
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:34 am

Yes Greaser....

America would never do anything like that  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:48 am

N754PR:

Que? Rest assured, the U.S. has no interest in seeing the arms embargo to China lifted. And I guarantee you that items with U.S. content will not be sold there. Which pretty much eliminates any U.K. product, and much of the product from other nations.
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:02 am

the U.S. has no interest in seeing the arms embargo to China lifted

Exactely the same non-interest when relation with Lybia were re-opened and that they suddenly bought BCA products.....

And when refering to "items", please make sure you are talking about weapons, because they are a few products with US built components over there, just a few....

Anyway, if they can send man into space, what's the point of preventing them acquiring technology they will anyway have sooner or later?
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:02 am

Solnabo:

No, it's not. China is regarded as a security issue. Apparently, you are overly cynical or conspiracy-minded. But you also haven't been paying attention to policy news. Did you know that there is a law prohibiting launch of U.S.-manufactured satellites (which, as a proportion, dominate those being sold) on Long March boosters? And there are no plans for it to be repealed.
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:05 am

Knoxibus:

Yes, I am, of course, referring to armaments. Sure, there are now being U.S. airliners being pitched to Libya. However, we are not selling them F-22s and the like.
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Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:45 am


China is in desperate need of steel, so I guess EU export it as a X-masgift  Big grin

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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:07 am

Solnabo: What on earth are you talking about. Of course USA don't want the weapons embargo lifted.
 
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:36 am

It's very simple fellas. The EU sees the future going through China. The latest US administration "going at it alone" policy only helped reenforce Europe's position. China is the next superpower and European nations are vying to establish good relations with them. It won't be long until you see Germany as a full blown member of the UN security council.
 
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:10 am

It gets interesting when an typical Air China thread turns into a political debate. Political deals are made with large economic ones all the time, with or without China.

Don't Chirac and Schroeder go to OTHER countries?

Maybe if Tony Blair visited China, China would buy its beef products...but again unless Tony was "desperate" enough.

And don't think Boeing, GM and other big American Co's don't lobby Washington to sell stuff to China.

CA needs airplanes that could benefit French/Germen manufacturing jobs in a great deal, which in return will be supporting their governing parties to get elected or re-elected. These are big boy's games and no innocence on either side.
 
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:22 am

Airbazar:

They already are a full-blown member of the Security Council. If you mean, having veto power at the U.N. in general, I doubt it.
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:36 am

They already are a full-blown member of the Security Council.

Whats ur definition of "full-blown member"? Germany currently as of Dec 2004 holds a ROTATING seat in the Security Council, just as Chile, Algeria or Benin per say. Im not familiar with the date when Germany began its term in the Sec. Council but it will expire 2 years after it started.

There are only 5 full blown members in the Security Council, also called the P-5 (permanent five) which are US, Russia, UK, China and France.
 
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:36 am

N328KF, no, Germany's not a full-blown member of the Security Council - they are a member of the UN, and they're currently on rotating membership in the security council: but Germany has maintained that it would like to have a permanent seat, which would include the same veto-power that the other members have.

Although, I really have to ask this question: Airbazar, what does this particular point have to do with the fact that Air China ordered Airbus planes?


Anyhow - I hope we'll be hearing something about the respective A380 and B7e7 purchases from China soon...

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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:06 am

See, I see a distinction between being:

1) On the UNSC in an observer role (even Switzerland has held this, I think.)
2) On the UNSC as a member (a la Germany, Chile, etc.)
3) On the UNSC as a member with a U.N. Permanent Seat (the big 5)
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:13 am

N328KF, the different levels of UN Membership are:

1) Observer status in the General Assembly
2) Full Member in the General Assembly
3) Permanent Member of the Security Council

Out of the General Assembly, 10 member states are selected as members of the Security Council on a rotating basis - the current makeup of the council can be found here:

http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/unsc_members.html


Now, please, let's get back to China ordering planes - this sidetrack really has nothing to do with this thread.

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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:52 am

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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:01 am

Has someone info regarding this order.Is it 319s and 320s , or 319s and 330s ? Air China has signed recently a letter of intent for more than 10 330s.
Is it the confirmation of this MOU ?
 
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:30 am

After some searches , it seems to be 319s and 330s , making three Chinese airlines having ordered this beauty.CZ , MU and now CA..........when Hainan Al will follow ???????

 
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:48 am

Rest assured the United States is not going to sell any military weapons to China. We are barely willing to sell anything to Taiwan right now...let alone China. As for why we don't sell rockets etc to a nation that can put a man in space? ... because our rockets are better...it really is that simple. Rockets are dual use systems...means you can stick a nuke on it...ours are more reliable and more accurate...so it is silly to think that we would actually sell those products to China...or let anyone else sell them

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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:56 am

Truth's out, China has agreed to purchase 23 A320 series airplanes. Full details at http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-12/07/content_2302665.htm

Besides A320 orders, China will be involved in A350 program with up to 5% work share.
 
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:13 pm

>We are barely willing to sell anything to Taiwan right now..

not even the 10 billion in diesel subs , 3 billion in Patriot Pac3 missiles, 1.5 billion in P3 orions the US are trying desperately to get their legislature to approve, not to mention the over 1 billion in link 16/jtids etc and the 3/4 billion in early warning missile radars. Oh, did I forget the billion $ a piece Aegis destroyers Trent Lott wants to sell them? And Boeing are still hoping like heck to sell them a billion and half in Apache choppers and keep the line open. But they shot themselves in the foot last year when they insulted their Vice President by kowtowing to Beijing and not letting her visit Boeing even after the visit was arranged, so Bell will probably get that one especially since AIDC is already making the tails for the Marine AH1Z/1Y and AIDC and Bell go back to the 60s. Don't expect the Taiwanese presidential ofice to be calling the CI board and putting pressure on them to split their orders with Boeing like the last 2 times either when they went for A340s and A330s when Boeing got almost 20 744s out of it!

And the EU arms embargo only applies to "weapons", not eg radars which is why the British got away with selling the PLAN the only half decent AEW radar system they have in service right now!

[Edited 2004-12-07 05:16:04]
 
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RE: Air China To Order 23 New A Jets

Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:52 pm

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