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AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:18 am

On Air Canada's Horizons website, an A345 (Fin 952) is shown in new colours. As far as I know only 1 A343's (C-FYLU) has been repainted. I know that in AC's new TV advertisement an A343 in new colours was shown way before C-FYUL was repainted. Is this A345 a computer generated image? It kind of looks odd, a little too stubby for an A345. Why is AC doing this?

Here is the pic
http://www.achorizons.ca/gallery/2004/december/A340-500_1024.jpg

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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:21 am


I dont care if its computer image, the 345 looks awesome  Big thumbs up

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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:22 am


BTW I got it as wallpaper  Big thumbs up

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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:28 am

To me it does look as if the A345 has been added to the scenery, and the plane itself doesn't look natural enough to be real. But I'm no expert, but the edges just look suspicious.

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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:28 am

Solnabo:

We're positively thrilled for you.

On a separate note, where does AC intend to take the A345 that they need that much range/MTOW?

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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:46 am

N328KF

On a separate note, where does AC intend to take the A345 that they need that much range/MTOW?


AC flies the A345 on YYZ-HGK and YYZ-DEL. The YYZ-Delhi is only served by the A345 twice a week, the rest of the time it is flown by an A343 with weight restrictions.

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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:41 am

The A340-500 is Air Canada's FLAGSHIP now and they want the public to see the new colors on the new flagship.
There is another Air Canada A340-300 in the paintshop right now as well.
 
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:50 am

Given that aircraft are usually only painted when they are getting a C or D check, it might be some time b4 we see a 345 in the new scheme.

It would be the height of inefficiency and mgmt stupidity for AC to pull a new 345 from service just to repaint it. The monthly lease payments on the 345's are huge. Revenue needs to be earned every day on these puppies.
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:21 am

It would be the height of inefficiency and mgmt stupidity for AC to pull a new 345 from service just to repaint it. The monthly lease payments on the 345's are huge. Revenue needs to be earned every day on these puppies.

Here we go again...... LOL!

But I do agree with you.

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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:42 am

Exactly....here we go again.
Well, Neil, I guess mgmt is'nt stupid and inefficient since they never did take a A345 out of service, so enough with the continual cheap shots ok.
And yes, to answer the question, it is a computer generated picture, albeit a very good one.
The next A340's to be painted into the new colors are FIN's 902 and 905 this month. It looks like the first narrow body's will be A320's from Tango starting in Feb 05.
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:49 am

Well, Neil, I guess mgmt is'nt stupid and inefficient since they never did take a A345 out of service, so enough with the continual cheap shots ok.

It's a good thing you guys aren't fish. You'd be easy to catch. You seem to jump at non-bait as well as real bait.

I was not badmouthing AC. Merely saying that it would be foolish to pull the 345's to re-paint them. Capeesh?

Realistically, the 345's will be likely among the last to be repainted.

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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:51 am

I was wondering when they were going to start painting the narrow bodies.
 
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:58 am

well the Reg is C-GKOM, our database doesn't show any pictures of this plane since October, but then again GKOL hasnt been shot since then, either. The picture seems real enough, but what do I know  Big grin
 
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:06 pm

It would be extremely foolish to pull the A345's for painting, I agree, and there is nothing even showing of them going for painting in the next year. But you had to take a jab at mgmt. Can you simply reply to a thread about AC without taking a dig at them or Milton?
I'm not bashing you, but it's like you have to meet your quota on here by saying something about Milton or mgmt.
Just my observations.
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:28 pm

And yes, to answer the question, it is a computer generated picture, albeit a very good one.

I didn't think so. Looks like easy photoshop work to me. Real photo of mountains, real photo of plane, apply greenish tinge, apply logos. The sharpness of the airplane photo (note front cargo door) as compared to the Air Canada logo, and the fact the perspective on the tail is messed up give it away. This photo would not take long to produce if an all white photo (or almost all white) of the aircraft was available.
 
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:28 pm

I'm not bashing you, but it's like you have to meet your quota on here by saying something about Milton or mgmt.

I think Neil has a contract with Westjet to bash Air Canada and Milton on Airliners.Net on a daily basis.  Big grin
 
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:41 pm

I don't really understand why you'r having a go at Yyz717. He didn't say anything about Milton nor criticise management. As already explained, he suggested that it would be foolish for management to do anything like pull the aircraft just for aesthetic purposes. I don't see any bashing going on there.

Perhaps you guys are a touch sensitive?

Anyway, the picture is pretty good, even if it is photoshopped. Some airlines really muck them up sometimes and they just look embarrassing. (Please note that this is not an attack on the marketing departments of all airlines). And I have to say, that livery is starting to grow on me, though it's a pity they didn't do more with the fuselage.
 
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:48 pm

I don't really understand why you'r having a go at Yyz717. He didn't say anything about Milton nor criticise management. As already explained, he suggested that it would be foolish for management to do anything like pull the aircraft just for aesthetic purposes. I don't see any bashing going on there.

Perhaps you guys are a touch sensitive?


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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:57 pm

Well unlike you guys always bashing boeing because you are not American, I can honestly say that looks lovely.
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:30 pm

Well unlike you guys always bashing boeing because you are not American, I can honestly say that looks lovely.

Huh?

 
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:55 pm

I CAN however see the benefit of having the flagship aircraft painted in the new scheme. It would be a marketing coup to have a 345 in the new scheme, however disruptive to operations.

I don't really understand why you'r having a go at Yyz717. He didn't say anything about Milton nor criticise management. As already explained, he suggested that it would be foolish for management to do anything like pull the aircraft just for aesthetic purposes. I don't see any bashing going on there.


Thanks Aerokiwi. We have some very sensitive AC apologists on anet. Many of them are AC employees, all of which are ultra-sensitive about AC criticism -- they are simply not used to it.

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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:02 pm

I CAN however see the benefit of having the flagship aircraft painted in the new scheme. It would be a marketing coup to have a 345 in the new scheme, however disruptive to operations.

Considering that most people that get on an aircraft have no idea what type they are actually on, I would have to conclude that it would not make any sense for AC to take out an A345 out of service to paint it.

And considering how AC_B777 has already mentioned that they will not be painted anytime soon, it should end this debate.

 
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:21 pm

"Many of them are AC employees, all of which are ultra-sensitive about AC criticism -- they are simply not used to it."

They may not like it but they are definitely used to it. Bashing AC seems to be a life long passion for some people here at A.net. Of course some of the criticism is warranted but a lot of it also comes across as petty and spiteful. Same with Robert Milton, the fact that Deutsche Bank was willing to invest $850 Million and keep Milton says a lot.
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:41 pm

AC7E7 does seem to be rather sensitive with the 'here we go again' remark, i think that YYZ717 was merely making a factual statement, and no criticism was implied.
Nevertheless I agree the image does look fake, I just wish AC had been a little more bold and outgoing with the new livery (that has already been discussed here), and yes this IS a criticism!
 
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:58 pm

My point is, that Neil, Yyz717, can not reply to a simple thread about the new colors on a new a/c without bringing up mgmt. That's it. The thread had nothing to do with mgmt but he still brought it up. In most threads about AC, Neil has something to say about them and Milton, no matter if the thread has anything to do with them or not, like this one. I know he never said Milton, but, he did say, It would be the height of inefficiency and mgmt stupidity for AC to pull a new 345 from service just to repaint it which in my opinion didn't apply to the thread in any way.
Neil, I am not an "AC apologist", nor am I "ultra-sensitive", and I am definitely used to it, I am just sick of it. Like mentioned by so many people in so many other threads, AC bashing is a national pastime and something that people get off on, and it's time for it to stop. I never accused you of bashing AC in this thread so don't bash me. Just give a rest now and then.
Anyways, I hope everyone has an awesome day. See you all later.
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:59 pm

very clearly a photoshop job
 
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:15 pm

My point is, that Neil, Yyz717, can not reply to a simple thread about the new colors on a new a/c without bringing up mgmt. That's it. The thread had nothing to do with mgmt but he still brought it up. In most threads about AC, Neil has something to say about them and Milton, no matter if the thread has anything to do with them or not, like this one.

Do you realize that this is a discussion forum? All opinions and comments are welcome. This is NOT an AC-love-in forum.

I repeat my earlier comment: It would be the height of inefficiency and mgmt stupidity for AC to pull a new 345 from service just to repaint it

It is appropriate and applicable to the thread. Given that AC mgmt has not decided to repaint the 345's, it seems they would likely agree with me.
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Wed Dec 08, 2004 5:06 am

Given the fact that there are onlz 2 A345´s in service operating continually between HKG/DEL..taking them out of service for a paint job to satisfy the fan club would effectively obliterate the HKG nonstop. Considering they are the newest aircraft, they probably will be amongst the last to be painted. Eventaully they will be madeover on their C/D check.

ACB777 - Don´t let dear old YYZ717 get to you. His hallmark is pulling strings. Anytime there is any post regarding AC, he´s in there like a dirty shirt. Interesting however that his comments are conspicuously absent on the thread discussing his beloved Westjet and their 58% reported load factor.

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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:04 am

taking them out of service for a paint job to satisfy the fan club would effectively obliterate the HKG nonstop. Considering they are the newest aircraft, they probably will be amongst the last to be painted. Eventaully they will be madeover on their C/D check.

Exactly. This mirrors my words almost exactly.

So then why Rod did you make the following comment:Don´t let dear old YYZ717 get to you. His hallmark is pulling strings. Anytime there is any post regarding AC, he´s in there like a dirty shirt.

Why don't you stop with the personal commentary about other anet members? It only reflects on you. If I make unflattering comments comments about AC, it is targeted at the entire operation, not individuals.
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:11 am

Interesting however that his comments are conspicuously absent on the thread discussing his beloved Westjet and their 58% reported load factor.


Why don't you check the WJ thread again Rod. You'll find my negative comments. There are simply far more about AC general.

Rod, you will find that I provide negative and positive comments on many airlines, not just AC. I have been equally negative about UA & US. So why don't you turn your focus elsewhere? Thanks.
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:41 am

very clearly a photoshop job

Agreed and a very amateur one at that. About my skill level, which is pretty low when it comes to photoshop.

The image of the plane seems to sharp when compared to the background which appears to be alot softer. The only thing that would seem to make it look real is the fact you can see through the heat haze from the engines. However that wouldn't be too hard to draw in using photoshop. Also the lines around the edge of the plane don't seem to be smooth enough and look likes the plane has been cut from another image.

The Air Canada logo also looks like it has been placed on the fuselage. Is there even an A345 painted in these new colours?
 
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RE: AC A345 In New Colours?

Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:17 pm

Is there even an A345 painted in these new colours?

As has been mentioned in several previous posts in this thread - the answer is NO.