virginlover1
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A380 Launch Customer

Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:43 pm

Who is the going to be the first customer to launch the A380 some people say virgin,others say emirates,some even say Singapore will be the first does anybody know

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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:54 pm

Singapore Airlines is the launch customer. The first A380 in commercial has msn003, followed by Qantas
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:05 pm

Please delete this topic!

The first flight is scheduled for the fourth quarter of 2004, and the entry into commercial service, with Singapore Airlines, is scheduled for March 2006.

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some people say virgin numerous posts discussed VS postponing there order until 2008 I believe.
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:12 pm

Boeingfever777

Please delete this topic!
Why delete this topic? Virginlover1 asked a simple question, a question that is perfectly ok to be asked

Virginlover1, Welcome to a.net, hope you enjoy your stay
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:58 pm

There was a whole debate over who was going to be the first to operate the jet back when it was launched: SIA or Emirates. Both had early orders, both are very prestigeous. I seem to remember something about Emirates recieving its first A380 right after SIA (like the next day or something). Anyone know more about that?
 
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:48 pm

So far it is going to be SIA, and this is scheduled for July 2006.

QFA and EK are almost starting together with first delivery in October 2006 for both.

Personnally, looking at the program and its EIS, I can see first ever revenue flight in September 2006.
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:32 pm

EK, to my knowledge, were the first to sign up for it or atleast amongst the first, but did not want to be the first airline to take delivery.

VS have delayed delivery and I also believe that Air France has also delayed delivery however I am not entirely sure about AF.

As it stands at the moment they will be delivered SQ, QF, EK, ??, ??

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:50 pm

From what I have read, It is EK that will be the Launch Customer, but SQ will be the one to operate the first Revenue-scheduled flight.

I have also heard rumours that the first 4 or 5 production aircraft (given the out-of-whack sequence, which I'm not totally sure of), will go to Etihad Airways, since these a/c are heavier than the will-be production a/c. Etihad paid less (and didn't care about the weight) than other airlines for these first 4 or 5 a/c because of the weight problem, and EK as well as SQ, is rumoured to receive the lighter production a/c, as opposed to the first couple of a/cs. This is why the delivery date for EK and SQ is moved from 1st Q 2006 to late 2nd or early 3rd Q 2006.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that was what I heard.

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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:10 pm

I am not too sure about the weight theory suggested by studentflyer.

As I understood it, It's to do with the Engine choice.

Although EK was the first to signup, they have chosen the Engine Alliance Engines (GE&PW) while the RR is the lead engine on the A380 program.(I.e. It will be certified first).

As SQ has opted for the RR engines they will be the ones to get the First A380.

As Virgin has also opted for a delay in delivery, it might be possible that Ethiad might get some of the early aircrafts on the production line IF they choose the RR engines.(based on factors a few months ago they have not yet made a decision as to the choice of engine)


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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:04 am

Just to clarify:

The launch customer is not the first airline that brings a new aircraft in operation. Launch customers are a group of airlines who order an airplane at a very early stage. And due to their higher risk of ordering an aircraft before it's given stats are proved, they get an discount. Therefore at least SQ,EK,LH,AF and VS are launch customers for the A380.

But your question VirginLover1 had the intention to know which one is the first commercial operator of it, am I right?
And that is definitely SQ in the 2nd quarter 2006.
 
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:13 am

What about QF? Weren't they also one of the launch customer? That's why they started buying the A330s because they got a discount from being one of the A380's launch customer?

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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:49 am

Yeah, QF is also a launch customer. Maybe there is even one more. I don't know exactly who else got the special launch conditions. But at least my above mentioned plus QF got them.
 
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:56 am

Virginlover1, wellcome to the forum. To the best of my knowledge EK will be the launch customer and SQ will operate the first revenue scheduled flight. I´m not sure about AF postponing the delivery of its 380´s though.

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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:46 am

That must mean the marketinging gurus at EK have got it wrong!!!!

When I spoke to the them a few weeks ago in Sydney they did not expect to see there first A380 until about DEC 2006. They even admitted SQ and QF would get their A380's before EK would
 
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:58 am

SQ, EK, QF, MH, KE, FX, LH, AF, VS, ILFC and QR have all firm orders to date. TG and Eithiad have ordered but aren't firm yet.
To my knowledge SQ, EK and QF all ordered back when it was still the A3XX
 
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:09 pm

I think what Virginlover1 is looking for is who the All Nippon of the A380 is. Think of it as an analogy, NH is to the 7E7 as ____ is to the A380 yes? NH placed the first orders, as well as it will take the first delivery and make the first revenue flight. Boeing made it very clear from the outset who the first "launch customer" was, whereas Airbus is requiring much debate of the subject. I haven't seen any threads asking who the 7E7 launch customer is. Now it is obvious if we go by JoFMO's interpretation of the phrase, we can also include NZ, DP, Blue Panorama, and Primaris as launch customers as well.........but we all know that NH is the Pan Am of the 7E7. So who will be the Pan Am for the A380?

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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:26 pm

SQ is the launch customer. They will receive their A-380 first. SQ will also have the first revenue flight on the 380. At one time, there was a plan to have SQ have the first flight to depart for LHR and EK would be the first to land at LH. However, Ek's deliveries have slipped slightly and now SQ will be the first carrier to have a revenue flight into LHR.
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:35 pm

I think that proves beyond doubt that LHR is the #1 international airport in the world.
 
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:19 pm

How is VS still a launch customer when they have delayed there order a yr?  Confused

SQ is the launch customer. I think Philsquares, is 100% right! Just because EK placed a massive order does not mean they will have the first revenue flight.
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:43 pm

A380, old news. Airlines are pushing back the delivery dates. ( I wonder why?)
 
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:46 pm

Lockheed,

it seems you great insider must know it! Tell us! I'd like to hear your analysis...I need a laugh for the day!  Big thumbs up


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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:50 pm

According to Airbus, there are several airlines, including EK, SQ, QF, LH and more that are considered launch customers. It is sort of like the 747. PA ordered the plane first, helped design it, and flew the first one in service, but there were many launch customers.
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:36 pm

So we can agree that there is the mentioned group of launch custumers.

But VirginLover has something else in mind while questioning. He wants to know who is the first commercial operator. And that is definitely SQ.

Can we close this discusiion now. Or is anything still unanswered?
 
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:11 am

How many A-380's has QF ordered?
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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:21 am

How many A-380's has QF ordered?

QF has (12) firm with (12) options.


Source: http://airtransportbiz.free.fr/Paris2003/A380sales.html

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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:41 am

Airlines are pushing back the delivery dates.

And others are moving them forward.

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RE: A380 Launch Customer

Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:42 am

Philsquares has got it absolutely right. The original arrangement was for an SIA A380 to take off from Changi Airport bound for Heathrow. It would be the first A380 to take off on a commercial flight. Emirates' A380 will take off some hours later (being closer to Heathrow) but will have the distinction of the first landing at its destination.

Emirates' plans slipped due to its engine choice, and SIA will now receive the first aircraft in March 2006 with the launch of SIN-LHR A380 flight scheduled for the second quarter of 2006 (information of these will certainly be coming out in the next couple of months).

Has anyone got any update on the first A380 flight from Toulouse after its roll-out and unveiling on 18 Jan 2005?

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