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Oldest Airline Livery.

Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:14 pm

Which airline livery is the oldest (among those currently used)?
Lufthansa? Singapore? Alitalia? I don't know.
 
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:22 pm

You forgot American:


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This livery been around since 1968-69.
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:24 pm

It was Ethiopian until their new colours were unveiled this year - i think the colours were in use for about 30+ years if not even more.

Alitalias are from the mid eighties whilst Lufthansa have made numerous subtle changes to their colours - the present all white body is from the early nineties. Singapore have had the same colours for quite some time (1970s maybe) but have changed their font style.
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:26 pm

If you don't include that little trail Scheme, I am sure Air India has to be up there somewhere!
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:43 pm

I think the Iberia one is also quite old. Maybe 25 years? I don't' know exactly.
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:49 pm

How about the longest livery in existence? That honor might have to go to the nostalgic "Widget" scheme...oh, how I miss seeing those birds! I'm gonna be depressed when I arrive back home in Seattle in a few months and I won't be able to lay my eyes on a widget!!!
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:01 am

Alitalia's colour scheme was introduced in 1970 with the delivery of the first 747-143 "Neil Armstrong" I-DEMA.

The only change on the livery since them is removal of the gold "alitalia" titles near every door.

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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:26 am

Air France current livery is over 25 years old. It dates from the late 70's.

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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:31 am

A quick note about SQ's livery. They have changed their livery since the 1980s, albeit very slightly. If you look at these two pictures of 743s from 1987 and 1991, you will note a few changes:


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The main change is that they have dispensed with the brighter yellow in favor of the darker gold. A couple of more changes is that there is now a vertical gold strip on the rudder and there is a orangish cheatline that flows just below the windows in the middle of the purple.
 
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Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:04 am


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Air India....Although there was a plan to change it,stalled midway.
Indian Airlines....Never ever changed theirs.
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:08 am

ENCRJ,

LH's color scheme is quite new compared to other airlines paint jobs. It has only been around since the early 90's. American, Air India, Iberia, Alitalia, Varig, and Air France have been around since the 60's-70's.
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:10 am

I used to think the AA scheme was getting old and needed to be changed but the more i look at it it looks good. Even though it was started a long time ago, it is one of those schemes that still carries a good look  Big grin
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:28 am

Royal Air Maroc = 1960s (don't know witch date, check the photo below of 1962 !!)


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American = 1969
Alitalia = 1971
Air India = 1971
Singapore = 1972 (but enhanced with gold colors instead of yellow in 1987)
Thai = 1975
Air France = 1976 ( on a Concorde)
Lot = 1977 (this one I am not shure)
Iberia = 1978
TAP = 1980



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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:34 am

American 767

Air France livery is almost 29 years old... It was introduced in January 1976, to celebrate the introduction of the first Concorde F-BVFA in th fleet...


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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:12 am

What about Olympic? It looks old... fashioned.  Big grin


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Is the livery in this 717 it's new image or is it just an hybrid?


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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:32 am

I think the crown goes to American Airlines since it's been around since the late '60's. That's at least 35 years so far and counting...

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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:54 am

For many people around here Olympic's livery looks great and No!!! the Euro-white 717's livery is not a new image. These are the remnants of Olympic Aviation now Olympic Airlines.
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:59 am

Monarch Airlines (A UK Charter Airline) decided to change their livery in early 2002, up until then they had the same livery since they began in the 1960s! (at least to my knowledge, If I'm wrong please correct me).

LH is a fairly new livery in comparison to some.

When did Qantas change to their current one?

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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:04 am

With the exception of one 767, the Martinair livery hasn't changed since the early 70s.

And the KLM livery was the same from the early/mid 70s until recently, some of the a/c still have the old livery.
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:35 am

GoAirbusGo,

Alitalia was 1970. when I-DEMA arrived FYI.
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:06 am

Alitalia,

thank you.
I read 1971 in an airline livery book I have. You 'll know better, since you are from Italy.

Thanks again for the correction.

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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:09 am

GoAirbusGo,

Actually from the USA, but AZ's my baby. They introduced the current "Tricolore A" in 1969/1970 to coincide with the introduction of the "Jumbo" 747.

http://corporate.alitalia.com/en/group/history/history_1970.htm

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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:18 am

Oh, yes sorry. than the greeting go out to you in the USA, then ! Embarrassment
 
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:46 am

American's is old, but I don't want to see it go away, simply because I'm afraid that if they change it, they'll come up with something horrible. The act of changing a bad livery and making it worse has been a theme lately... I wasn't crazy about the NW bowling shoe, but their new c/s is scary and nonsensical. AC's Aquafresh scheme is quite possibly the worst new scheme to come out in the past five years, and the Deltaflot livery gets honorable mention in the same category. The moral of the story is that if you have a nice looking livery (AA, AF, LH, AZ, SQ), don't screw with it.
 
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:22 am

Alitalia's is certainly old. I remember in 1978, Junior Highschool on the ball field, I saw an Alitalia 747 flying really very low for a landing into JFK. It seemed to shake the entire ground. It was overcast with low clouds that day. I will never forget that.
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:28 am


RAM, Alitalia, Olympic, Air India, American, Air France must be among the oldest liveries around!!

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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:53 am

what about aeroflot until they changed to there new livery. I think the old one was around for a while.
 
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:22 am

other very old liveries (and all still look great) are:


Ariana

Royal Air Maroc

Air Zimbabwe

Iraqi Airways

Cameroon Airlines

Lybian Arab Airlines

Sudan Airways

Ethopian's would've been about 50 years old if it wasn't for the ugly eurowhite update last year.
 
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:43 am

I Agree with TrappedInMKG, just like you don't change some logos, no matter how old they are: Mercedes, Coca-Cola, etc you just don't change the elegant look of your planes just because some new marketing consultants say white airplanes look more professional... not! Only to charge a fortune for their "new hot look" of white airplane with a painted tail...

A good example of this are Olympic and Singapore, only small modifications to their colors during the years, they each have probably the most elegantly painted fleet out there of a major airline. No Pokemon or Spongebob special liveries needed here  Big grin When SQ introduced the 2 'tropical megatop' 747s, they made sure it was the most elegant special livery out there.
 
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:57 am

What about WN? Their oldest 737s (Shamu 1&2, for example) still sport that weird tan-orange livery.

AA's is also pretty old, but I like it. I can't imagine AA with different colors (but why do they paint the tail's grey?)

UA has finally done away with the Orange Red and Blue stripe  Sad that was introduced in the 70's for the friendly skies livery. The grey cosmopolitan livery had it at the cheatline, but the new i am blue livery is the first UA livery, since the 1960s, that contains no orange or red (only blue and white).

Also, what about Aer Lingus, Quantas and Philippines, their liveries seem to have been the same for a while
 
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:07 am

How about Thai ? I have seen it this livery for ages.
 
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:51 am

Qantas was 1985 with the arrival of the Boeing 767-238ERs.

This was the first time the airline had an aircraft type apart from the Boeing 747 since the withdrawl of the 707s in 1979.

For 6 years, Qantas was the only all Boeing 747 airline in the world.

1985 isn't as much as some, but it's still a long time.

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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:34 pm

El Al Israel Airlines had the blue livery for 49 years, from 1949 till 1998. Today, still some B747-200s and B757-200s still fly in the old colors. from 1949 till 1998 thats 49 years with the same colors, and till today thats 55 years.

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In addition to those jets, this colors were used also on the B720, B737-200, B747-400 & B767-200.

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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:00 pm

There are enough differences in the 1970s update of EL AL's livery than the one from 1949 to say it's the same livery.

I love the EL AL color scheme from the 70's-90's, it was one of the best. Can't say the same for the one adopted in 1998.
 
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:17 pm

What??? Did u all forget about MartinAir???
 
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:35 pm

I think AZ has the oldest.
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RE: Oldest Airline Livery.

Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:47 pm

Godspeed


Martinair Just got a new livery, so there off the list.



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