asianguy767
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Former UA Routes

Wed Dec 08, 2004 5:39 pm

I remember UA operated SFO-HKG-DEL-LON-IAD-SFO back in the 90s. I am quite sure this was a money maker for them b4 SARS. I wonder if they will restart this again?

 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:06 pm

Before 9.11, UA used to fly LAX-JFK-LHR-DEL-HKG-LAX. Before 9.11, RTW was already going to be axed and be replaced by ORD-DEL. However, everything was cancelled after 9.11
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:48 am

It was LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR-IAD-LAX and the reverse.
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:11 am

UA sold their slots for this route east out of London.
I remember asking a F/A about this.
They said that it was originally going to be expanded as a bigger thing with a DXB route as well, loads on the HKG-DHI wasnt good and LHR-DHI could have been better.

After 9-11 basically "over hell and earth would a US civil airline dare risk flying over the middle east" was the response.
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:53 am

As for the routing, people are right on both accounts.

The original RTW routing back in the mid 1990s was:

LAX-HKG :744
HKG-DEL-LHR-JFK-LAX: 763

Originally, UA only flew the HKG-DEL route as a 763 because this was all that they had approval for. The problem was that the 763 arrived in HKG from DEL in the morning, around 10AM or so, and parked there all day until its evening flight back to Delhi at around 8PM. Many know how expensive Kai Tak parking rates were. They later received approval to switch the HKG-DEL flight to a 744. This improved aircraft utilization as the 763 flying from LHR simply turned around after a couple of hours in Delhi and went back to LHR and the 744 from LAX to HKG continued to DEL and then back in plenty of time to operate the morning flight to LAX. However, they were only permitted to sell the number of seats that they had operated with the 763, thus leaving the aircraft relatively empty. I am not sure when or even if this ever got changed, but from what I read about, they were doing quite well in the market.

In around 1999 or 2000, the RTW got changed to route through IAD instead of JFK and the entire operation was switched to 744s.

For some reason, I keep thinking that there was a year or two with no RTW service in between, but the other half of my mind says no. Can anyone help me with this?

Also, as United Airline stated, plans were already for the nonstop ORD-DEL flights to replace the Europe segment. Not sure about the HKG-DEL segment. Either park the plane in HKG overnight or fly another route.

That brings another question to mind. Did the short-lived HKG-BKK flight during the early Star Alliance years not go as well? I remember UA switching over for a while in 1998 or so, but then returning to SIN after about a year. Anything on that route?
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:01 am

UAL International routes drop since the mid-1990s

EWR-
LHR, NRT

JFK-

Caracas, Port Of Spain, Rio De Janeiro, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Hong Kong

Miami-

Caracas, Lima, Guatemala City, San Jose, Lima, Santiago, Rio De Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires, Grand Cayman

Washington Dulles-

Madrid, Milan
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:07 am

THey also used to fly to Auckland out of LAX I think?
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:10 am

As well as LAX-CDG, which I flew.
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:45 am

LAX-AKL
LAX-MEL
PDX-NRT
SEA-HKG
SEA-LHR
PDX-IAH (or maybe HOU, not sure)
SEA-HNL (originate/terminate in PDX)
SEA-JFK
SEA-EWR (short lived, used an A320)


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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:48 am

UAL launched EWR-SEA , EWR-BOS and EWR-SAN in the late 1990s to which CO responded by launching ORD-SEA, ORD-SAN and LAX-SFO.

Both pulled back, not before I got to fly CO 737-300 from LAX-SFO in November '97, flight was full.
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:53 am

UA also operated HNL-SYD from the mid 80s, to the mid/late 90s
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:57 am

UAL never flew between Hawaii and Australia during the 1990s, CO did perhaps your confusing them.
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Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:30 pm

MSY-MCO. There's a doozie for ya. I want to say that UA flew MSY-MIA as well (for a very short time) during the early 90's. I fondly remember the MCO flight though. It was operated by a B737-300.
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:44 pm

I see that LAX-AKL-LAX is already mentioned, but someone forgot the AKL-MEL-AKL sector.
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:52 pm

BOS-MCO in the mid-90s utilizing 733 and 735 equipment (but oddly BOS never saw BOS-MIA, which would have made a lot of since to connect to the former large evening int'l departure bank out of MIA)
BOS-JFK until late 2001 (one daily flight) utilizing A320 or 72S equipment
BOS-LHR until early 2002 utilizing 763 equipment
...many other interesting system routes that have since been dropped.
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:54 pm

Ooops, UA did fly to Auckland/Sydney from HNL during the 1980s, however. Remember UA811? The cargo door blew off shortly after take-off
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:14 pm

UA discontinued SFO-TPE a few years back. To fly to TPE, a connection is needed.
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:21 pm

UAL never flew between Hawaii and Australia during the 1990s, CO did perhaps your confusing them

That's right...UA got their first 744s in '89, thus no longer needing HNL-SYD.

Footnote to my comment about PDX-NRT...it wasn't everyday, but 2-3 times per week, using a 742. '83 to '86 I believe. DL took it over in '87, stopped in '01. Now NWA flies it...third time a charm?  Insane
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:31 pm

Back in the early 80's UA used to run 727-200's from BHM to LAX non-stop as well as 727-200's and 737-200's BHM-DEN. HSV of all places also had 727 service non-stop to LAX. How times change. BHM is now very fortunate to have twice daily BHM-DEN on UAX CRJ-700's.
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:38 pm

I do believe the first Orient flights for UA were SEA/NRT originating ORD. After that, PDX. I can understand dropping SFO/TPE with Eva and China. both with -400's. I have flown UA from (short distance) PDX/GEG and (long distance) LAX/HKG and lots of SFO/HNL and SFO/ORD/NYC - east coast destinations. For over 45 years, UA has been my way to go. Just get the management act together and run with a good product!

Tbear
 
StevenUhl777
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:24 pm

Tbear: UA ran SEA-NRT and PDX-NRT at the same time. UA started their "Royal Pacific Service" in '83, and these two cities were the first two, with SEA being the intended gateway city, though that never panned out, and eventually it went to SFO.

The PDX flights weren't successful, so they were dropped. UA still operates the SEA-NRT, after a hiatus for a while. CO and AA operated the route, and NWA always did. Now, it's just UA and NW out of SEA.
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RE: Former UA Routes

Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:35 pm

I flew N/S on Nov. 7, 1980 from CLE-FLL on a 727. They used to have quite a setup in Cleveland, with non-stops to LAX and SFO as well. On a previous post, we were discussing the widebody service, including DC-10's and 767's into CLE. Also, MIA used to see quite a few 747's down to South America and out to LAX and SFO right after the PA merger.
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:37 am

I believe the PDX-NRT and SEA-NRT routes were flown by UA until 1986 but had to give the routes up when Pan Am sold their pacific ops to UA. The PDX flight left on Tuesdays only with the other 6 days going through SEA
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:40 am

2 cities that I see are not on the list are CNF and BNE. cnf was via gig or gru(cant remember) on the 763, and bne was via syd on the 400
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RE: Former UA Routes

Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:44 am

Was BNE ever a scheduled destination for UA? I remember diverting to BNE for fuel or due to bad weather in SYD, but I don't remember any passengers boarding or even being brought to a gate.
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RE: Former UA Routes

Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:10 am

MIA-MEX (eventually became a Mexicana codeshare)
MCO-MEX
MIA-SJU
MCO-MDW
MCO-LGA
MIA-ATL
MIA-LGA
MIA-DCA
ORD-DUS

 
jkudall
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RE: Former UA Routes

Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:27 am

A few more:

KIX-GUM
SPN-GUM
KIX-SPN
TPE-MNL
NRT-MNL
MNL-SEL
TPE-SEL
PEK-SHA


[Edited 2004-12-09 19:29:11]

Edited to add:

UA also used to fly to Athens, Hamburg, Berlin, Geneva, and Glasgow


[Edited 2004-12-09 19:52:20]
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:03 am

Mainland,
i believe ua ran the route for about 1 year. i flew to bne on ua815 in fall of 91.
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StevenUhl777
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RE: Former UA Routes

Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:17 am

Re: BNE...yes, it was a continuation of 815, went to SYD first, and then up to BNE.
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RE: Former UA Routes

Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:19 am


How about this one: Flight 618: LAS-DTW-PHL .....in the late 70's.  Big grin
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timz
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RE: Former UA To DEL

Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:43 am

"I keep thinking that there was a year or two with no RTW service"

UA dropped Delhi sometime in 1998-1999. Probably didn't resume until they began the thru-RTW 744 in early 2001?
 
UA744KSFO
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RE: Former UA Routes

Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:38 am

When the Italy route first started, it went IAD-MXP-FCO-MXP-IAD. Then it was switched to IAD-FCO-MXP-IAD. Then Rome was dropped and it was just IAD-MXP-IAD, and then this route was dropped altogether (in 2002 or 2003 IIRC). At first, it was operated with a 763, then it used a 742 sometimes in the summer, and then when FCO was dropped, it was a 777 in summer and 763 in winter.

Also, there was the CDG-ATH and the CDG-GVA routes served with a 72S.

In addition, HAM, FRA, TXL, and MUC were served from LHR with the 72S before the LH alliance, and LHR-BRU and AMS were also operated until a few years ago with either the 763 or 777.
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:41 am

Also, I almost forgot about IAH-MIA, EWR-MIA, and JFK-MIA. At one time, UA served MIA from all three NY area airports. I took the flight from JFK in July 1995 on a 762 that went to CNF (Belo Horizonte, Brazil) which is another one that I almost forgot about!
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:26 pm

stevenuhl777,
your postings about the usa pacific nw service to nrt reminded me of when i was "stuck'in dfw in 85. our only option literally was to get on the dfw-sea flight to get outta dallas...once we got to sea we had to fly onto ord......forget the flt nbr but i was remember being told by a old timer that ua ran the flight to hook up with the nrt flight.....
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RE: Former UA Routes

Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:49 pm

A very short route for UA used to be ANC-FAI-ANC . . .a continuation of the SEA-ANC-SEA flight. It was my daughters first plane trip . . . FAI-ANC seat 2B on a US 732 in 1994. She was 2 weeks old . . .
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RE: Former UA Routes

Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:49 pm

That's right; MIA-CNF was a route flown for a few years in the mid 90s.
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:43 am

In the mid-90's, I remember UA915 operated GVA-CDG with a 727, then CDG-IAD and IAD-MIA with a 747SP. I also remember short-lived 727 service between IAD and FLL as well as 73S service from IAD to ROC to BUF and on to ORD.
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:27 am

UA744KSFO: IAD-MXP-FCO-IAD was actually operated by a 747-100. FCO was dropped in Oct95 and IAD-MXP was then flown by a 763. IAD-MXP was a 777 only one summer, 1998 or 1999.

One more route LAX-KIX

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RE: Former UA Routes

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:31 am

The777Man,

Thanks for the info on that! I guess it was probably one of the ex-PA 747's then.

Also, ORD-SEL was operated at one point. Didn't UA also serve Panama City, Panama from MIA at one point in the early 90's?
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:40 am

Yes, Flight 887 operated LGA-MIA-PTY with a 733. The flight returned to MIA as 840. That was in 1994.
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:42 am

Yes, UA also operated MIA-PTY for a short time and also ORD-SEL as well.

UA got two ex-PA full size 747s but never operated them in service. UA did get 10 ex-PA 747SPs as part of the purchase of the Pacific routes. The 747-100 that flew to Italy was a 747-122 or possibly 747-123.

UA also flew LAX-GRU with the 747SP until 1994. Remember seeing that at LAX including N145UA in the then new colors.

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RE: Former UA Routes

Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:02 am

United flew Chicago-Merida (Mexico) back around 1980.
 
UA744KSFO
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RE: Former UA Routes

Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:26 am

Oh yeah, there was also a flight that went SFO-GEG-YYC with a 72S.
 
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RE: Former UA Routes

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:32 pm

JFK-CCS-POS
JFK-POS
JFK-GRU
JFK-GIG
JFK-EZE
LHR-HAM
LHR-TXL
LHR-MUC
CDG-GVA
CDG-ATH
CDG-MUC?
IAD-MAD
LAX-YVR
SFO-YYZ
LAX-TPE
 
StevenUhl777
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RE: Former UA Routes

Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:12 pm

Throw in SEA-YVR as well...came in from Chicago and continued on, using a 727. I worked the flight when I was a summer ramprat in '96.
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JC5280
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RE: Former UA Routes

Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:38 pm

Wasn't LAX-ITO one as well?

I am sure there are a few other Hawaii flights we have not mentioned....

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