crberkley
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United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:53 am

I understand that UA is trying to cut cost by flying smaller aircraft transcontinental (757) and they claim that their first and biz sections are "premium service", however, I recently flew lax-jfk-lax in biz and I was not impressed at all. Does anyone else have any opinions as far as what's all the nonsense about?
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:05 am

Were you on the 757?

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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:08 am

YES..I WAS ON THE 757-

No big deal, I would rather take a 767-300er or 777 any day. I fly transcon quite often, and im considering taking my business to AA as they still fly the big boys.
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:10 am

I guess you just must be very difficult to please. It's still a commercial airline, not a Gulfstream.

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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:33 am

Were you on a 3 class B757, or a 2 class B757?

Several flights have been operated by the 2 class B757 as many of the previously used older Boeing B767-200s have already been withdrawn. As of this week there are only 4 left.
The roll out of the 3 class B757s were slightly delayed leading to the need to use the 2 class aircraft for some flights.

Check out the p.s. product.

www.unitedps.com

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crberkley
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:36 am

It was a 3 class 757- biz class. Don't get me wrong it was nice, but having flown Thai, Lufthansa and other major carriers, I did not see what the big deal was.
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:44 am

As I understand it, the "big deal" is the fact that you now get the international first- or business-class seats on a domestic flight... after all, flying LAX-JFK-LAX via FRA or BKK to get the comfortable seats (since you compare UA's PS-Service to LH and TG) would be a bit long, wouldn't it...  Big grin

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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:48 am

Excuse me, but I really think it's silly (and somehow childish) to say "I'll fly with AA because they fly the "big" boys"...

Does size really matter when it comes to airline trips (especially within the USA)?

I know I would rather fly a comfortable 757 over a crowded 767 anyday! I haven't experienced the UA PS service yet, but it seems quite good.

As always, an airline cannot satisfy everybody, and if indeed size matters to you, then go ahead and get on whichever carrier uses 777s across the US continent. (even if that means a plane filled up with 300 odd people!)
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:03 am

AlanUK~

Call me childish if you will, but I am a creature of comfort, so size in this case does matter.
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:08 am

"creature of comfort" maybe. But surely, the size of the SEAT/personal space is more important than the size of the metal tube you're in?! If you can get a seat with 50'' pitch and 35'' across on a 757, isn't that better than a 34'' pitch on a 767? With more people to board/deboard, more baggage to handle, more people sneezing around you!
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:18 am

Well if seat size matters, you would chose UA's p.s. product over AA's transcon product.

Here are the breakdowns comparing UAs B757 p.s. and AA B767-200s seats.

First
AA 62 inch pitch, 19 inch width
UA 68 inch pitch, 21 inch width (lie-flat seat)

Business
AA 50 inch pitch, 18.5 inch width
UA 54 inch pitch, 20 inch width

Econ
AA 32-34 inch pitch, 17.2 inch width
UA 34 inch pitch, 18 inch width


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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:29 am

I was waiting for someone to print a comparison of UA and AA on this route given that Thai and Lufthansa are not operating on this route....kind of seems like comparing apples to oranges.

Also, Thai may be nice on the three class 744s and longhaul flights, but there is nothing really special about Royal Orchid Class on the 2 class service that they fly a lot within Asia.
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:47 am

I was on the United PS service and was unimpressed. I will stick to AA. AA doesnt seem smaller and you are just treated better. That is my opinion though.
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:29 am

AA Platnum~

I am glad you are in agreement with me.
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:03 pm

UNBELIEVABLE! W O W!! The 757 ps is UNDENIABLY BETTER than the 767 and I don't wanna hear nuttin' about "that's your opinion" either. Some folks can just N E V E R be pleased about anything!!! DAMN!!
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:16 pm

>No big deal, I would rather take a 767-300er or 777 any day. I fly transcon quite often, and im considering taking my business to AA as they still fly the big boys.<

Well, you would not be getting the 763ER or the 777 on an AA transcon either. You would actually be getting a 762ER, which is not really all that much bigger than a 752 anyway, and the service and seats would not be the same. In fact, if you want a 763 LAX-JFK-LAX, you can take UA or DL (which will likely be a Song 757 with no F or J class soon). UA904 goes out everyday with 763 equipment.

Oh, and this new service is not about efficiency, if it was UA would have at least 180 seats on the plane. This is about limiting capacity and increasing yields
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:52 pm

I fly Thai and LH all the time as well and I can say that the UA C class service measures fairly well against those products. In fact, prior to the recent improvements on the LH C class it was the worst C class in the world and I know alot of people who fly from Europe who purposely avoided LH for that reason. The TG service is very nice (nice people/food/wine & the fragrent thick wet towels are a great touch, UA should figure out how to get that from TG on their flights as well), however, the seats are not great. I just flew with them the other day and in terms of seat comfort, the UA C class seats are better.

I took the UA JFK/LAX 767 C class service in June this year on the 7AM flt and I have to say that it was one of the most pleasant flights that I've ever been on. The food and service was very good and the attendent was lovely. So, I guess that everyone has their own opnion, but UA is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:06 pm

I would take UA's F or C any day. In the dark ages when we flew the 707's and DC-8's, there was no such thing as "widebody." If anything, the 757's with three classes of service harken back to the days of UA's Red, White, and Blue on the Trans-Con 8's. A class act then if there ever was one. Anyone remember?

With the modern amenities and the correct application, it will do wonders for the credibility of our US domestic carriers. Let's see where this goes......

Tbear
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:09 pm

>In the dark ages when we flew the 707's and DC-8's<

You mean 720s of course?
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:45 pm

On Trans-Con's, AA and TW flew the 707's. The 720's were flown by all three, but not on Trans-Con's. United had 720's - never 707's - and never fans on the 720, but they were strictly short/medium haul. United never had 707's. My reference was solely to the Trans-Con service.
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:33 pm

I used to be an executive platinum with UA and honestly ever since seven bad experiences in a row I stopped flying with them The one that finally changed my mind and my parents mind was traveling internationally with them. We brought the documents they told us to bring and they said that that was not adequate. We lost our paid for First Class seats... they said they would put us in First on the next Mexicana flight but they simply didnt do anything and First was full we later found out. Not only that but they completely deleted our reservation. It was gone when we went back to the airport to go back home....luckily though they did get us all back in first on the way home. But getting back on topic here I think if UA would outfit the 763's with that P.S. it would be amazing. Just make the whole plane lie flats....but unfortunatly I am not God so I have no control over that.
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:42 pm

Hey guys, lay off the guy for expressing an opinion.

He took ps and wasn't happy.

I don't know much about it--but I do know this. UAL has significantly cut their capacity in the transcon market and put their hopes on a small number of premium seats rather than a large number of affordable seats.

Since Song is now entering this market and that above thought by United is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what every other airline in the U.S. is doing right now . . . if I was a betting man I wouldn't put much money on UAL ps.

As a matter of fact, if I was a betting man I'd say a year from now the Transcon market will look much different---UA probably will be a weak or non existant player.

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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:44 pm

>I used to be an executive platinum with UA<

Impressive, conisdering that even people who I know have flown 1 million lifetime miles on them have never hit a level called executive platinum. STAR Alliance does not even have a platinum level that I know of, just silver and gold.
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:54 pm

I used to be an executive platinum with UA

...that's interesting, particularly seeing as they don't even offer such a recognition to us mortals  Nuts
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:09 pm

I guess that we'll just to see who's right: More seats for less, or less seats for a premium. Just because everyone is offering cheap seats doesn't mean they're right. The true test will be if their main competitor (AA) starts offering a similar service, then we'll know if this is the right strategy or not.

I'm for less seats at a premium. I don't understand why everyone thinks that flying should be cheap! It's a capital intensive industry that requires skilled labor, how is it that it can run so cheaply? Since even the LCCs are starting to squirm, seems to me that we have reached the nadir point on pricing and costs. Time for someone to start thinking about profits for a change. Since when did the USA stop being a capitalist country?
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:18 pm

With a name like AAplatnumflier, our 13 to 15 year old friend is obviously a big fan of AA, but without adequate knowledge it seems.

Platinum status indeed never existed at UA, and even if it did, I very much doubt a person so young would be able to reach it, although strictly speaking, nothing could prevent it, I concede.
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:48 am

Hey AAplatnumflier?

How come you're always offering first hand experience to threads, yet have no idea what youre talking about.

UA would outfit the 763's with that P.S. it would be amazing. Just make the whole plane lie flats....but unfortunatly I am not God so I have no control over that.>

Only first class has lie flats, it is a 3-class configuration. Of course you would know this having flown on it.
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:13 am

A P.S. 763 would be the same as the internationally configured 767s. UA has operated them on transcons in the past, but they have more capacity then UA needs and don't adequately match the market. They prefer the frequency generated by the low cost 757s. Also UA has quite a few 757s compared to the 30 or so 767s in their fleet, and with the advent of all of the A320s and A319s displacing 757s on longer domestic flights. They almost have a surplus of them since they increased the number drastically in the 90s when they were ideal for transcons and mid-cons.

I think P.S. is going to be one of the best domestic products offered in this country. It is a much newer product compared to AA. The first seats aren't comparable to international first, but they do represent the new wave of lie flat business seats being that they are almost direct copies of the SQ spacebed. I can understand someone being disappointed in the service though. It is not up to international service standards, but it is one of the best products available on flights in the 5-6 hour range. I hope to try the service soon and compare it to the internationally equipped 767s and 777s.

The comfort is probably closer to the feeling that LH is going for with Privatair business class flights. Bigger is not always better. Lets hope UA can do well for the sake of all the employees and devoted UA flyers on the board, but we still should respect everyone's opinion.
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:20 am

CRBerkeley....21-25 student and you state, "I fly transcon quite often, and im considering taking my business to AA as they still fly the big boys." Hmmm, I call B.S. on that. What I smell is another Airliners.net fantasy flyer here!

[Edited 2004-12-10 00:23:25]
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:58 am

I really don't think that first and business passenger on PS would have any problem flying on the 757 whatsoever. It is back in economy where the widebody cabin would be most desired. The foremost priority up front would be the seat- which looks to be great. If anything, I think they would like it more with a smaller, more personalized cabin. Sort of like flying up top on the a 747.
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:09 am

JpetekYXMD80 is right.... business travellers or people who actually fly a lot do appreciate a smaller cabin and fewer people.... thats why LHs Privatair does so well, thats why the upper deck always fills up before the lower deck. The second most important in terms of the actual flight is the space / seat comfort and with both of these aspects, UA beats everyone else with PS

Whats the deal with AAplatinumflyer??? Why would someone lie about what they do or how much they fly on here.... thats pretty sad
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:12 pm

business passengers also want laptop adapters, and UA p.s. has them even in economy. that is fantastic.
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:58 pm

AAplatnumflier, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? You are 13-15, and USED to be a UA executive platinum holder. I am literally rolling on the floor and laughing my ass off. Where did you fly, and who paid for all of this?
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:11 pm

I think that many here are missing the point. the true battle for which UA rolled out the P.S. is not to "one up AA", the competition is coming from B6, HP, SONG and so on, who offer similar service for a much lower cost but still in the LCC mode. I was on a UA LAX-JFK 767-200, P.S. on First class last month and it was very similar to Int'l business on UA. The seats, food, IFE, FF benefits are much greater than what the LCC's can offer. UA, AA and DL have always controlled these markets and managed to co-exist charging similar fares in the $600-$1200 range. UA can't do that anymore when $299 fares are offered by the LCC's and they had to find a way to attract people back and the way to do it is by offering "premium service".
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:26 pm

Legend, I don't think you could have been on a PS flight because the actual PS planes are all 757s... I know that they started the PS service slightly before the plane was ready but the "real" PS has lie-flat seats almost exactly like SQ's Spacebed in first and leather seats that are similar to UA's intercontinental business class in the PS business class.

"the true battle for which UA rolled out the P.S. is not to "one up AA", the competition is coming from B6, HP, SONG and so on, who offer similar service for a much lower cost but still in the LCC mode" ?????????????? No way - those carriers do not offer anything similar....
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:44 pm

Dude, you're flying LAX-JFK. What do you expect? Your buddy's at American aren't exactly using "big boys" for transcon trips like that, either. They're using 737's for trips to IAD from LAX.
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:06 pm

They may be doing that but they operate or did operate a 777 LAX-MIA and LAX-DFW amd LAX-MIA is transcontinental.
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:19 pm

They may be doing that but they operate or did operate a 777 LAX-MIA and LAX-DFW amd LAX-MIA is transcontinental.

Um, those are hubs. UA operates 744/777 to ORD/DEN as well. Whole different ball game. And why don't you respond to your BS, Mr. UA Executive Platinum.


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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:50 pm

"I think that many here are missing the point. the true battle for which UA rolled out the P.S. is not to "one up AA", the competition is coming from B6, HP, SONG and so on, who offer similar service for a much lower cost but still in the LCC mode. I was on a UA LAX-JFK 767-200, P.S. on First class last month and it was very similar to Int'l business on UA. The seats, food, IFE, FF benefits are much greater than what the LCC's can offer. UA, AA and DL have always controlled these markets and managed to co-exist charging similar fares in the $600-$1200 range. UA can't do that anymore when $299 fares are offered by the LCC's and they had to find a way to attract people back and the way to do it is by offering "premium service". "



I think Legend is also missing a point here. PS is meant to "one up" AA. Look at the promotional materials for it and you will see that UA marketed their products side-by-side with AA's 767-200s. PS is not meant to attract the low fare traveler, and it is not in response to B6, HP, or Song. Think of it like Nordstroms...


He was not on a PS aircraft. I think we have a very mis-informed poster here. So there is our answer...
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:52 pm

YES..I WAS ON THE 757-

No big deal, I would rather take a 767-300er or 777 any day. I fly transcon quite often, and im considering taking my business to AA as they still fly the big boys.

Until AA decides UA is doing well with the 757's trans-cons, and switch themselves. Little tip for you, this is a copy cat industry, when someone paves a path, more are sure to follow.


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A student flying PS? wish i could fly, but cant? man, you got issues.

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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:32 pm

I personally think you UA is doing a great thing by offering the p.s. on these routes. It's a niche market, and I say "hats off to them" because of their financial situation, and that they are trying to be proactive in returning to profitablity and thinking of their premium passengers which for instance DL really doesn't care about now that they are changing mainline to Song on the LAX/SFO-JFK trips. Doesn't sound like they will be upgrading much of anything at DL and it was just "talk".

As far as the 777 goes to MIA:. Isn't it true they no longer use that type of equipment on that route, and have subbed it with 763s and also have a couple 738s on the redeyes? As well, they discontinued 767 service on their LAX-BOS/IAD trips down to 738 while UA still has a mix to IAD and uses 757s and 320S on BOS?

Have a great weekend.
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:02 am

AAplatnumflier, do I sense some hesitation of you answering some of my questions?
 
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:20 am

I am flying JFK-LAX-LAS and back in April with my father on Business. And have taken the trip 3 times a year for at least 5 years. We're always in Business or First because the company pays for it. I we primarily stick to AA hence the name American762. I think the 200's are incredibly comfortable in First and Business. I have flown with UA in previous years on their 762's and the service was almost identical to that of AA's. We were considering taking p.s. but as some are saying, it's not worth it. So I'll stick to AA for the time being. I do want to note, (not sure who said it but I scrolled through it), at one point American did fly her 772's on the LAX-JFK route at least once, heh, I was on it, my guess was it was probably needed in JFK after completing a transPacific flight. But I indeed was on a T7 home from LAX. I don't know, but I've been on Concorde 4 times in my life to London...once again payed for not by me or my family...and it was something I'll never forget, but there is something special about flying on a 767-200 for me, I don't know what. It's a big old gal' and I love her  Smile. I've flown so many times and walked up and down her aisles so many times that I guess i've fallen for her  Smile

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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:38 pm

"Excuse me, but I really think it's silly (and somehow childish) to say "I'll fly with AA because they fly the "big" boys"...

Does size really matter when it comes to airline trips (especially within the USA)?"

At least for me size does matter, hence why I do SLC-IAH-EWR instead of the SLC-JFK nonstop when I go to New York. Granted the nonstop is a 763, but its on DL, while the IAH-EWR service is a CO 777 baby, yeah!

"Some folks can just N E V E R be pleased about anything!!! DAMN!! "

Let's just let these folks fly LAX-LAS-SLC on an overloaded Douglas M-2 mailplane as the first passengers did back in 1929. Maybe THEN they'll appreciate what we have now.
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:57 pm

" We were considering taking p.s. but as some are saying, it's not worth it. So I'll stick to AA for the time being".

Daddy makes that call JR not you.

It's a big old gal' and I love her . I've flown so many times and walked up and down her aisles SO many times that I guess I've fallen for her

You need a girlfriend, that almost made me throw up. Some people on this forum cant seem to realize it is metal, it doesn't breath, when it crashes? It didn't feel a thing. What a nasty comment.

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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:13 pm

It's worth noting also that P.S. service aircraft fulfills what United is trying to market to. SFO/LAX-JFK is a niche market, with relatively high O&D traffic vs. connecting traffic. Rather than refit the aging 767-200's, they are choosing to refit newer 757's. Less seats, but trying to match capacity closer to demand than it has been. They are leaving the low yielding traffic to the likes of B6 and HP, while trying to market to the high-yielding business travellers.

UA's corporate travel contracts actually require them to operate 3-class services on these routes (with some minor adjustments made in the interrim whilst the aircraft are being refitted, as some 2-class 757's are running the routes as well in prep for retrofitting).

Whether it works remains to be seen - but I'm rooting for them. It's an innovative concept and I hope it works well for them. Virgin has taken a similar path in marketing it's product, to the "jetrosexuals" as Virgin likes to call them  Smile If anyone has seen that book that VS put out about that - it's way cool to look at  Smile

Some people make choices on flights depending on the aircraft type operated... others make decisions based on other factors.

Happy Travels!  Smile
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:17 pm

What a waste of time!


This discussion is the Perfect Example of what Airliners.net has become. A place where a bunch of teenagers pose as world travelers. I was a frequent visitor during many years (started in 1998). But we now got a real problem here as you may have realized tonight.

I would actually love to participate regularly to the discussions flying now more often than ever (average of 2 to 3 int'l trips out of LAX every month) but this recurring problem is really keeping me out of the whole picture. Why lose your time in such a stupid way with high schools kids who simply "wish they could fly"


Any solution?

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uadc8contrail
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Sun Dec 12, 2004 5:02 pm

AIFOS,
the solution is......listen to aaplatinumflyer,nwafa and burnsie28 and just shut this pig down.....the thought of anyone actually buying a ticket on UAL is utterly repulsive....take alook at the following fares and times and everyone be the judge......


7am flt lax-jfk and a return from jfk-lax at 9am..............
AA-306.69
UA-386.70

8am flt lax-jfk and a return from jfk-lax at 12noon
DL-396.69

12noonish flt lax-jfk and a return from jfk-lax at 8am
HP-296.70

ALL THESE ARE THE FIRST AVAIL FROM LAX to JFK for the non stop carriers from 10JAN AND RETURN 17JAN(MON TO MON) I WOULD RATHER PAY THE $80 TO FLY IN E+ VS NRTOC ON AA
bus driver.......move that bus:)
 
american762
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:31 am

UAL 777 CONTRAIL:
First of all, "Daddy" hardly makes the call. He tells me to figure out a flight that fits his time schedule and I book it, and the company pays it. It's happened dozens of times. And being 17, I'm hardly posing as a "world traveler". I honestly do think that many adults just can't stand the thought of kids flying more then them. I'm not saying I'm a Platinum Member, but I do fly a lot...And I enjoy every moment of it. Don't think I don't notice adult men staring at me in jealousy because I'm in First and they're in Economy. I seriously think it's an issue of jealousy, "oh they're teenagers, they can't fly more than I did, they must be lying.".

On the second hand, if you ever flew your own plane, or actually took control of any aircraft from a Piper Warrior to a Boeing 747 you'd understand what I was talking about with aircraft. Of course I know the airplane has no feelings, it's a pilot thing. Think what you want...why do most people call ships "her", same with airplanes, It's a sign of respect. Nobody ever said "I'm Flying on The Concorde" nearly as much as was said "I'm flying Concorde", meaning people were giving it more of a Human name. So before you go off on your rant and raves, please be a little more mature, after all, Us teenagers are nothing but immature punks, so I ask...Why am I being more mature than you?
Pan Am has a place of its' own. You call it the world, we call it home.
 
CTHEWORLD
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RE: United PS (First And Biz)

Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:26 am

American762,

They referred to Concorde as such because that was its name, not The Concorde. Concorde never "The" in front of it. Also, the French refer to ships as "he" not her and the Germans use the article "der" and "das" for flugzeug, not "die"...must mean the Germans and French don't respect aircraft, or at least don't fantasize about making love to them!