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Allegiant Air

Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:43 pm

Hello, I will be flying Allegiant air in early January from msn to Las Vegas. I know nothing about the airline. I was wondering how their track record is and any other info would be great. Thanks, bimmer
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RE: Allegiant Air

Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:08 pm

They are a great airline, offering mainline to smaller cities at a very reasonable price. You may want to get something to eat before you fly with them as you can only expect a snack but I guess that's what u can expect with such great fares. They just got done installing new carpet and new leather seats, along with a new 33" seat pitch. As far as their track record i'm sure other people would have more info. Hope you have a great trip with them!

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RE: Allegiant Air

Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:59 pm

Good timing! they just came into OKC and I know several people who booked on them today (for flights to Las Vegas). They offer the only non-stop RT from OKC to LAS and they were 80-100$ cheaper than all the others- I'm told.
I've never flown them, but my friends were curious about their service, so I'd also like to hear any thoughts.

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RE: Allegiant Air

Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:31 pm

Good airline with MD87s. Gordon Bethune may have to take over as CEO and get them going with some 739s!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:43 am

They have a good operating plan, focusing on serving tourist-loving Las Vegas with point-to-point destinations no other carrier will touch. I think the only destination that was a problem was Baton Rouge- service never started (?) as the local casinos quite rightly objected to the local govt. handing subsidies to Allegiant that would take locals out of state.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:55 am

The only market they currently have competiton on that i'm aware of is LAS-COS, AW (Mesa) flies that once daily with an RJ. They had some competition for a while to DSM when Mesa flew a Red Eye, but that didn't last long.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:39 am

I've flown Allegiant Air three times so far from ICT to LAS. All in all, they are very good airline. The MD-80's are clean, with a very friendly staff, and the nonstops sure beat connections. As far as ICT is concerned, their schedule is the best. The only problem I've encountered was a 3-hour delay, but it was a nonstop, we still getting into LAS at a reasonable time and I didn't have to worry about misconnecting and lost baggage.

I would highly recommend Allegiant with their low fares and vacation packages. If you experience a delay, don't fret too much. Afterall, you could be connecting somewhere.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:15 am

The only market they currently have competiton on that i'm aware of is LAS-COS

FAT-LAS is their most competitive route. Allegiant operates service that competes with an AWX RJ flight and 3 UAX Brasilia flights.

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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:20 am

And for all you interested folks,

Allegiant to take delivery of their next two MD-83's on 12/16/04(N868GA) and then 01/15/05(N866GA).


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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:24 am

And I just posted the RDD cancellation on a new thread.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1855497/
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:26 am

FAT-LAS is their most competitive route. Allegiant operates service that competes with an AWX RJ flight and 3 UAX Brasilia flights.

Thanks for correcting me on that. Forgot about UAX and the AWX RJ to FAT. What is your strongest city that you fly to (besides LAS)? I've been looking on your website and it seems common to see some BIS flights sold out Weeks in advance. Also I'm surprised FAR service hasn't been inaugurated yet.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:34 am

Just cause I don't think it is, KCrwFlyer thinks it would be possible to do a CRW-LAS with a fuel stop on the way back to LAS and to pick up PAX in PIA. Could that be profitable having to pay landing fees in PIA and LAS and also using more fuel? Someone correct me if I'm wrong here but I'm curious as to your thoughts.

[Edited 2004-12-10 01:41:32]
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:40 am

well, it has nothing to do what iowa thinks. I just brought it up due to the closing of RDD. The stop in Pia is fuel and pax. Most say that if they were gonna start making fuel stops then they would fly to a larger market without direct service to LAS, or Direct service from a nearby airport. However, how many areas dont alrwady that are fairly large? CRW isnt fairly large but it strongly resembles MOST of the airports Allegiant flies to. Thats j ust my 2 cents. Its probably a dumb idea. oh well.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:03 am

Kcrwflyer,

I have to admire your loyalty to your city. Would CRW-LAS work? I'm no expert but probably not. And the stop in PIA wouldnt help as PIA fills up their aircraft regularly without being a fuel stop for another city. I could be wrong but I just dont know that there is a big enough customer base in CRW.


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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:51 am

Ugghhh!  Crying

More MD-80s? No more!

I want to see something different at IFP! Come on Gordon take this airline over and kick some ASS and take some names!
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:57 am

I could see G4 opening up more ND and SD routes...perhaps FAR or RAP. I have no doubt that CRW would be viable...as compared to FSD and BIS, or even CID. But like others have been saying...unless G4 can do it nonstop, I don't think CRW is in the cards. But never say never. G4 could do strange things like open Sanford, FL or Lake Tahoe.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:58 am

What about the SY 738's at IFP NIKV69? Take a drive to LAX if you want to see all sorts of aircraft.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:18 pm

Wedgetail737,

Sanford? Very possible. Lake Tahoe? Never happen. Lake Tahoe (TVL) is a one way in and one way out airport at such an altitude that we would never be able to carry anybody out of there, especially in the Summer. Thats why there isnt more airline presence there already.

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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:22 pm

As for TVL, G4 has been there, done that already.
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:27 pm

atcrick, i admire your professionality. Pia would be a bad connecting point. As far as folks going to LAS, ied say the base is there. You just gonna do a wee bit of advertisement. As independence figured out, the catchment area is rediculous for an airport with only about 40 or so flights. Before CMH got indy, we even cot some folks driving from that area., some still do due to indys extremely low prices here. If G4 can produce fair prices here, theyed prosper. I know for a fact that it just wont be folks goint to vegas now, those numbers will skyrocket because of the direct service. Also, our suburbs are loaded with folks that love to gamble. Ryan charters flights to ACY for gambling and folks fill those seats faster than a pirahna could tear apart a vienna sausage. Possibly a connection throught somewhere with bad loads would work? like OKC, its literally midway.

Widgetail, you hit it on the money. except for the fact that an eastern base wouldnt help us as the service to vegas wouldnt be considered (non stop) a fuel/pax stop still counts as non stop to me. I appreciate the feed back from both of you guys. And yes, im extremely loyal to crw and always will be.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:49 pm

could see G4 opening up more ND and SD routes...perhaps FAR or RAP.

Most definently, even LNK.

well, it has nothing to do what iowa thinks.

Whatever, your just pist off at me for some reason.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:57 pm

I heard a rumor that they would move from LAN to GRR, however it seemed more like wishful thinking than a real possibility. It would be great to have Allegiant in GRR, however I seem to remember hearing about a NW nonstop service from LAS to GRR and FNT, never heard anything further on it. Anyone know anything about this?

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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:50 pm

I don't see LAS-GRR and FNT on the timetables anymore, I guess that was discontunued (surprisingly).
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:50 pm

Thanks Iowaman  Insane


That is some great advice, though I never set foot in California. Can't handle that state. I see and photograph plenty of SCY's 738s at IFP.


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In that first pic you can see one of those 80s! Ahhhhh  Angry

No more please!! Gordon to the rescue. He will place an order for 2 brand spanking new 739s and 2 new EMB 190s. From worst to first!!

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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:56 pm

Then take a trip to LAS, they have a great spotting location! Big grin I suppose you wanting IAH service? Would be nice. Hopefully someday.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:06 pm

I have heard mumblings about starting up GRR as well as staying in LAN. Something about GRR drawing from a different area for its customer base then LAN. They seem awful close to me but again, I'm not a marketing expert.(Although I probably could have told you that RDD was a bad idea  Smile ).

Anyway, stay tuned for new announcements as I figure Florida is no longer an if, but when!!

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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:14 pm

Anyway, stay tuned for new announcements as I figure Florida is no longer an if, but when!!

Hmmm.. makes me wonder what they could fly without competition from WN, AW and DL.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:27 pm

Will G4 open up some Montana cities? I know HP already flies the LAS-BIL route w/ a CRJ, but would G4 open that route up w/ possibly LAS-MSO? Just wondering, as they have opened up some ND and SD cities.

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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:52 pm

Will G4 open up some Montana cities? I know HP already flies the LAS-BIL route w/ a CRJ, but would G4 open that route up w/ possibly LAS-MSO?

Interesting suggestion, I'm not sure MSO would have the demand but possibly just Fri. and Mon. service to start with. BIL could even be a possibility. Thanks for the input.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:43 pm

If we could only get them here in TOL to replace TMA which is stopping their twice weekly 757.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:35 pm

NIKV69,

First off, Maury owns Allegiant, it is a private company. So he is not going to be replaced unless he decides to turn the company over to someone else. Second, why would we want him to be replaced? The company has done something that 95% of the other US airlines have not been able to do lately. Make a consistent profit.
So enough already, long live Maury, and Mad Dogs forever!!!


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RE: Allegiant Air

Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:37 pm

Iowaman,

Hmmmm  Yawn

Let's see. My next trip to LAS will probably be my 20th. I go there a lot. Spotting is good but IFP is awesome. You can literally get right on top of the action. When SCY comes in from the north you can camp right out there in the desert on this hill and she flies right over ya! Big grin

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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:28 am

I sincerely hope that the good Mr Bethune never has anything to do with G4. They are one of only four airlines to maintain a profitable status consistantly since 9-11. The focus on non-competitive markets is a big part of the reason for that. I'm afraid that Gordon doesn't have a resume that'd get him aboard.
Now the 737NG's would be really great but they're very expensive, soooooo...
Not cancelling flights, no overbooking, and keeping a spare aircraft at LAS whenever possible are three more reasons for staying in the black.

As for destinations, another part of the plan is that G4 doesn't fly from LAS to its destinations, its focus is to bring people to LAS and get them back on the same airline, without connections, for a good price. If the flight day can be kept to 8 flying hours for the crews they don't have to worry about having extra crew domiciles and people sitting around on the payroll.

TOL is within the 8 hour day radius and someone should have the mayor give G4 a call. That would possibly bring in more of the Detroit partiers looking for a good time in LAS.

Y'all come back now, hear?

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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:39 am

My feeling is that getting Detroiters to go to TOL to fly to LAS would be hard...if not impossible. NW, HP, and Spirit all do DTW-LAS n/s. There is no way Allegiant could compete with Spirits already ridiculously low fares given the drive time down to TOL. However, if NW did start the mentioned FNT-LAS service, I could see a huge market because MANY people on the north side of Detroit do NOT like to fly out of DTW.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:47 am

It is very interesting to hear peoples opinions on this board.

Avioniker,

Well said. You are absolutely right on the money with your post.

The biggest thing G4 does to stay profitable is not entering markets with direct competition from the big guys. That tends to get on their nerves and force their hands. Ask Indy Air about that!

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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:38 am

Does Maury have a book named "From worst to first?" NOoooooo.  Yeah sure

Bethune is quite a man.

I know G4 does well I am just sick of seeing those 80s! Ahhhhh!

Nothing better than a 739 or a 757. I love to see those up close. Maybe one day soon. I hope with the expansion of IFP we will see some more carriers there.
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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:44 am

We are going on Allegiant Jan 6th from bellingham then on to monterrey on CO from Vegas, hope to have great service
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:48 am

NIKV69,

Dont like the MD-80's? Well, get over it. Thats all you are going to see in Allegiant colors for some time to come. It's all about economics and I'm pretty sure G4 is more worried about making money than improving your plane spotting ventures.






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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:59 am

just for the books, i love the mad dog  Smile especially the 87. Atcrick, would you know when the next charter to CRW will be? Ied love to try and be at the spotting park when she comes in over the hills.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:31 am

Kcrwflyer,

I dont show any charters scheduled to come through CRW for the rest of the month. Remind me early in January and I will check again. We only have access to the schedule for the current month.


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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:06 pm

how long will you guys stay in okc? i hear loads are pitiful.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:25 pm

Atcrick,

That is unfortunate. The MD80 is a good plane but I want some bigger birds!

If G4 wants to stay small that's their deal. I think plans are in the works to expand the runway at IFP so that means lets see some big boys!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:45 pm

Kcrwflyer,

We'll have to see over the next couple of months how OKC does. It is getting into the slow flying season but we'll see.

NIKV69,

Hmmmmmm, lets see. Stay smaller, expand slowly, and make money. Orrrrrrrrrr, buy new bigger equipment with lease payments to match, expand across the country overnight, and go out of business within a year. I'll let you figure it out.

Rgds,

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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:51 pm

Atc Rick,

I've noticed that CID loads have possibly dropped off some, I hope that service doesn't come to an end.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:08 pm

I don't think getting one bigger plane is going to bankrupt G4. If they use it on one their profitable routes to LAS in the west I think they would be fine. That is ok, don't expand and let WN and B6 continue to KICK YOUR ASS!! lolol

It's the truth. B6 is becoming the airline of the future, all the small guys that want to stay small can do just that. B6 will get more and more planes and more and more pax.

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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:19 pm

NIKV69, i dont get it. I think if they wanted to directly compete with WN and B6, then maybe, just maybe, theyed fly the same routes. But they dont. Its part of a genious business plan. Pick a hub thats the mecca of Vacaition and tourisim in the US, and fly there from areas with no competing service. Allegiant is doing fine. Do you honestly think that WN became this big over a few years?
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:54 pm

kcrwflyer,

It's okay. NIKV69 obviously is someone who likes to stir things up so he can get his jollys. What he said doesnt even make any sense. First, we are expanding. Second, B6 and WN arent kicking our ass at all because we are not competing with them. SO I wont be drawn into yet another silly argument that alot of these topics turn into because of people just like NIKV69. And dont worry about CID, loads tend to drop off a bit this time of year but CID has been a very strong city for us and I fully it expect it to be in the future. Oh, as long as WN and B6 dont continue to kick our ass in the CID-LAS, tourism package market!!!




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RE: Allegiant Air

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:04 pm

Well that is fine, if G4 wants to stay a little airline with a few routes to LAS that they do well with that is cool. No silly argument here. If they want to be a charter airline so be it. WN and B6 are huge and continue to grow and nobody knows what the future holds but they are sure gaining a loyal pax base.
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RE: Allegiant Air

Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:22 am

If Allegiant did open up a more eastern hub, what would be the outcome? It seems as if it wouldnt fit into the business plan. And Ited be hard for them to hub anywhere in the Southeastern US and fly to a major vacation destination in the Southeastern US because its Delta territory. You guys tend to fly in no competetion markets. Thats easy in the midwest and the plains but the east coast is extremely saturated with competetive markets. for example, Washington DC; Crw even has 6 flights to washington on 2 airlines and thats without indy. And MCO wouldnt work because if your going to Disney world from anywhere west of the mississippi, your connecting through one of the closer hubs. If your esast of the mississippi, and especially the ohio, theres a 60=70% chance you have direct service. I think the only way allegiant could expand farther east into markets neding LAS service would be to start aquiring more md-87's , then possibly taking a row or so out of them. How many seats would that leave? about 120 or so? Provided they did this they could get more range. I know they are charter only, but i think this is the only mistake that allegiant has made. They could get a good deal on some a319's or a 73g, but i think part of their scheme is fleet commonality. Any comments on this Rick?
 
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RE: Allegiant Air

Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:01 am

Well obviously G4 has no future plans to do anything but what they have been. Limited routes with their 80s in the west and charter service all over the country. Actually that is probably a lot safer and more lucrative for them. They probably don't have the capital to expand anyway.
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