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Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:41 pm

I was scanning through some timetables from the early '80s and I am surprised to see that Eastern Airlines used to run L-1011's up from ATL to BUF with continuing service to YYZ. They also used to have service from MIA to PHL with continuing service to SYR with an L-1011. They also announced service very late in their existence to DFW - 1990 to be exact.

What other cities did EA serve with widebodies that would be unimaginable these days in the regional jet era. I also remember 757s between PVD and ISP then down to ATL and FLL, although of course not widebody - still, 757s to ISP is a fairly rare occurence.

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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:46 pm

You have to remember that even as late as the early 1980's, wide-body service like this wasn't all that unrealistic. There used to be B-747 flights from MIA-NYC all the time.

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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:30 pm

EA had a "focus city" at STL (with widebody service) in the late '70s.
 
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Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:36 pm

They also use to run A300s with the occasional L10 through IAH when they had there focus city here.
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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:52 pm

Back in 1980:
EA #597 RIC to ATL - A300 Whisperliner
EA #616 ATL to RIC - A300 Whisperliner Ex Tuesday, L-1011 Tuesday

Mid to Late 80's:
EA #563 RIC to ATL - 757
EA #586(?) ATL to RIC - 757

I flew on EA 597/616 several times, and the flights were fairly full. Only a few empty seats were noted.


 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:00 pm

Also used the A300 and for awhile the L1011 on the MIA-BWI-YOW route. Eastern flights 172/173.

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Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:30 pm

I remember flying in Nov-1982 the following 2 EA widebody routes: It was during the Thanksgiving holiday and the flights were full.
MCO - MIA L-1011
MIA - Nassau A-300

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Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:45 pm

In the mid to late 80s we heavily promoted that all nonstop flights from EWR, JFK and LGA to MIA, PBI, FLL and MCO were widebodies and to TPA were 757s. Generally, though, it seems that Delta usually operated one size up from Eastern on competing routes (DL 757s against EA 727s, DL 767s against EA 757s, etc.)
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Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:51 pm

Did EA offer service to Europe? I seem to vaguely remember seeing a commercial about it. Of course, I grew up out west, and didn't see that many EA commercials, (in fact never saw an EA aircraft in person).

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Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:57 pm

Did EA offer service to Europe?

Nonstops from MIA to LGW with DC-10-30s for a few years in the 80s. MIA to MAD was about to start when the Lockerbie bombing killed any further expansion to Europe.
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Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:19 am

They also did ATL-LAX-SFO on the L1011. That was my 1st time in one.
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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:33 am

I flew RSW-LGA on an A300 in the late 1980s, but cannot say the exact year with certainty.
 
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Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:42 am

I can remember in the late 80's living downwind from GSP seeing EA
run 757's on the short 140 mi hop to ATL a couple of times a day.
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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:56 am

Did they ever fly to CDG?

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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:54 am


i know that EA had a 747 for a short time. does anyone know what route that flew for them?

20-30 yrs ago alot of airlines flew widebodies between cities you would not think of, not just Eastern. AA also flew widebodies into BUF. a daily DC10 did ORD-BUF

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Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:21 am

The Eastern 747 flew between JFK, MIA, ORD and SJU in 1971 and 1972.
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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:14 am

I flew on an EA L-1011 between RDU and ATL from the old Terminal (B) in November of 1978.
 
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Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:02 pm

Eastern used to have L1011 service from ATLJAX. They also ran A300 and occasional L1011 service ATLDENSLC and vv as well as A300 svc ATLPHXTUS--if memory serves me right they had AM and PM service on the PHX runs(used to work those trips as I was an EAL emp in PHX).
 
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Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:34 pm

Eastern actually leased a 747 in 1979 when Pan Am bought National and it appeared that the British authorities were going to force the new PA to give up the MIA-LHR route flown by National. When the British Government decided that they would enforce Bermuda II strictly (National flew MIA-LHR before Bermuda II thus grandfathered in) and forced the recepient of the route to fly MIA-LGW. Eastern was not interested in LGW flights so Air Florida obtained the route and flew it until they went under. Then ironically enough EA obtained the route and flew it with an L-1011. The 747 leased in 1979 was returned soon after EA failed to get Heathrow service.

Pan Am/National always seemed to be at a competetive disadvantage vis a vis Eastern @ MIA. It was strongly hinted at the time (And I have heard it since) that Pan Am was adamant that the London route did not go to Eastern.
 
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Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:57 pm

EA flew a L1011 from BDL to MIA in the late 1970s, as my family and I went to CZM, via MIA. I remember a 747 in BDL in the terminal at the time! Off topic, but TWA had a quick service from ALB to STL in a 707! It must have been early 1980s, but I do remember seeing it at KALB!
 
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Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:43 pm

"In the mid to late 80s we heavily promoted that all nonstop flights from EWR, JFK and LGA to MIA, PBI, FLL and MCO were widebodies and to TPA were 757s. Generally, though, it seems that Delta usually operated one size up from Eastern on competing routes (DL 757s against EA 727s, DL 767s against EA 757s, etc.)"


It's amazing how much has changed- in the 1980s if you flew from SoFla to NYC you generally either flew EA or DL. The two offered service from FLL and PBI to all three NYC airports (and EA from FLL to ISP as well) and there was very little competition on the route from other carriers, but intense competition between EA and DL, both offering widebodies and heavy frequency on the routes. TWA flew the routes as well but never fared that well. At one time they offered service from MIA to all three NYC airports but dropped EWR and eventually LGA. TWA did fly FLL-LGA and PBI-LGA for a long time. Pan Am flew FLL-JFK in the late 80s and early 90s, but I cannot remember what they did with National's routes from FLL and PBI to NYC in the early 80s.
 
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Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:24 pm

I flew on EA A300 on this route several times:

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Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:34 pm

Someone at work told me they used to run the L1011's on the TUS-ATL nonstop.
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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:56 pm

"They also announced service very late in their existence to DFW - 1990 to be exact."

Actually EA flew to DFW until the Summer of 1988 when EA pulled back from most routes west of the Mississippi. The service was resumed in 1990 with 4 or 5 dailies to ATL.

 
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Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:42 pm

"Also used the A300 and for awhile the L1011 on the MIA-BWI-YOW route. Eastern flights 172/173."

Those were the days! Thanks to Eastern, sleepy BWI (back in the day) joined the big boys with L1011 and later A300 service to and from MIA. You flew down in the morning on EA 173. When it was time to come back home, you headed down old concourse C at MIA for flight 172 back home. These two flights originated and terminated at YOW. Now, the wide body service was mainly during the busy seasons; Xmas through Passover/Easter. Otherwise, it was you basic 727. Eastern's other Miami service from BWI utilized a 727 during the busy times and DC 9 when demand was lighter. These were the days when thankfully Eastern had a decent BWI presence. Far from hub or even showcase status. Eastern still served our airport well. In addition, Eastern had an L1011 flight nonstop to Bermuda! I believe this flight was 809 or something like that. This was during the mid and late 70's. I even remember seeing that graceful L1011 Eastern hockey stick and all make its descent into BWI and this was from the parking lot of Security Square Mall. Back in the day, Security Mall was nice and not yet crime ridden. And, back in June of 1980 while waiting to board my BWI bound flight 172 on an older white 727 background, I strolled over to the then modern B concourse at MIA and watched an EAL L1011 push back for its late Friday afternoon non stopper to SYR. I felt cheated; SYR gets the L1011 and we got the old 727. But, I still enjoyed the flight experience.
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Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:22 am

EA ran BWI-YOW, BWI-BDA, and BWI-SJU at various times in the 80s. While Baltimore wasn't one of EA's busiest stations it certainly was important in the overall route structure.
 
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Sat Dec 11, 2004 6:25 am

I still remember flying the L1011 from YYZ to BUF and on the ATL..those were the days...An L1011 from Toronto to Buffalo (a whole 20 mins flight)!!
Today there are not even any commercial flights between YYZBUF.

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Sat Dec 11, 2004 6:31 am

In the early 1980s flew Eastern Barbados-Miami-Barbados with A300 and L1011. They had really great service, sure miss them.
 
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Sat Dec 11, 2004 6:53 am

Kfla737,
Eastern's MIA-LGW route was flown with a pair of DC-10-30s obtained for long-haul expansion.

The L1011-1 didn't have the range for Trans-Atlantic flights from Miami.

Eastern ideally wanted to use the B747 for the flights to London, but they also required the aircraft to operate South American and domestic routes, for that the B747 was too big, so the DC-10-30 was selected as the next-best option.

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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:00 am

Sometime in '84 I flew the L10 from ATL -> SLC -> ATL with a stop in DEN (Old) both ways.
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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:07 am

Where did EA obtain the DC-10's from?
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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:49 am

Thanks- I stand corrected- the DC10 flew MIA-LGW on EA.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Sat Dec 11, 2004 8:31 am

Eastern also flew the L-1011:

ORD-ATL-MIA
ORD-MIA-SJU

back in the 70's. Back then DL and EA were the big airlines if you wanted to go to Florida from the upper midwest.
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Sat Dec 11, 2004 8:51 am

Juanr

No they never flew to CDG.They never considered a service to Paris.
Anyway if they did , they should had landed at ORY , not CDG.


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Sat Dec 11, 2004 1:41 pm

"back in the 70's. Back then DL and EA were the big airlines if you wanted to go to Florida from the upper midwest."


In fact that was the case in throughout much the 1980s as well. As late as 1986 Delta ran three nonstops on the ORD-FLL route and flew nonstop to Miami once or twice a day. Delta continued to fly DTW-MIA and DTW-FLL nonstop into the early 1990s. Eastern flew nonstop from Chicago to Ft Myers, Tampa, and Sarasota until 1987 or so. EA also flew nonstop from Detroit, Columbus, Cleveland and Pittsburgh to various Florida destinations until the Frank Lorenzo period. American Airlines did not offer a single nonstop flight from Chicago to Florida until the holiday season in 1988! United offered standard service from ORD to Florida but I believe EA and DL accounted for more market share than UA out of ORD to most Florida cities. (This is part of the reason why I believe if DL truly wants to defend its larger traditional markets in Florida they should be flying routes like FLL-ORD and MCO-DTW)

Another player in the ORD-Florida market was Northwest prior to the Republic buyout, when they had a limited domestic network and virtually no service of note from Detroit. They flew from ORD to Tampa, Fort Lauderdale, Orlando and Miami for many years nonstop.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:21 pm

Eastern picked up all the DC10-30's from Alitalia if memory serves me right.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:03 am

"I strolled over to the then modern B concourse at MIA and watched an EAL L1011 push back for its late Friday afternoon non stopper to SYR."

I wish I could have seen that!
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:12 am

It's not a wide body, but for the airport it served it was: B-727 service MIA-EYW. That must have been a hoot. Almost like watching arrivals at SXM...
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:39 am

Kkfla737:

I had forgotten about NW. I remember their advertising depicting a map of the United States upside down and a line going from ORD-Florida and the headline reading "Fly Northwest To Florida!"
Back in the late 70's I tried to take UA from FLL-ORD, but they didn't operate that route, so I took a UA 737 from FLL-ATL, and then a DL DC-8 ATL-ORD.
My how times have changed!

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Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:18 pm

I'm actually going to start a topic on NW and ORD probably today or tomorrow. I was looking at a pre-Republic merger timetable and I had forgotten the level of service from Chicago- I had remembered just the Florida flights. It's so funny looking back at how many cities were served from ORD in the early 80s by NW, TW, Republic, EA and DL that were NOT served by either AA or UA. AA did not begin flying from ORD to MIA until 1988, and did not begin ORD-FLL until 1991, about the time Delta pulled the route. (Delta tried the route again right before 9/11 and I was excited to see an airline that had traditionally flown the route back on it but it did not work out).

I long in many ways for the days you either flew DL or EA to and from FLL. Competetion is great, but sentiment counts also!

 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:38 pm

"I had forgotten about NW. I remember their advertising depicting a map of the United States upside down and a line going from ORD-Florida and the headline reading "Fly Northwest To Florida!"

Slightly off topic..... but my first flight on a 747 was NW MIA-JFK, late 70's. Not sure if the flight originated overseas or not, anyone have an answer?


 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:42 pm

I remember when NW used to share that last concourse at ORD with EA and CO. They had a wide variety of equipment at the time. Where else could you have a choice of taking a Lockheed Electra or B-747 to MSP? Plus tons and tons of 727's. How many gates did they have, 10 or 12? Looking at a map of the current ORD, it looks like the terminal I am talking about was demolished at some time when they built the new UA terminal. ORD was kind of a mini-hub for NW back in the late 60's-early 70's. It was also the same for NC, pre-Republic. NW was also very popular on the ORD-SEA and ORD-ANC routings.
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:40 am

Type-rated:

You're thinking of Concourse D, which was demolished in the late 1980s to make way for United's Terminal 1.

For most of the 1960s and 1970s, it was used by Continental, Eastern, Northwest and Braniff. Eastern used five gates on the south side of the concourse, Northwest used five gates on the north side, Continental had two gates at the end of the pier and Braniff used two gates off to the side at an angle, connected the (original) international Terminal 1.

Piedmont began flights from Concourse D in the mid-1970s (when they got permission to transfer their ops from MDW), and by the early 1980s it was the "everybody else" concourse at ORD, jammed full of Chicago's nonhubbing airlines.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Widebody Service To...

Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:43 am

I think Eastern ran some of their BOS-LGA shuttles with A-300's inthe mid 80"s
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