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Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:47 pm

I was scanning through old timetables for Eastern Airlines and noticed they had flights from CLE to BDL, DTW, CLT, IAH, MIA, MCO, TPA and even PIT.

It was odd to me that STL seemed to be a pretty substantial hub back in the early 1980's, with non-stops, on what I assume were 727s, to PDX and SEA, among others.

Others that were interesting to me:

TPA to SRQ
TPA to MLB
MLB to JAX
JAX to ORD
JAX to DAB
PIT to YYZ
FLL to MIA
SYR to PHL
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:50 am

weren't the MIA-FLL flights mostly for positioning?
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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:02 am

Others I remember: LAX-SFO, PHX-TUS, TUS-SAN, DEN-SLC, LAS-RNO, ELP-ABQ, SDF-EVV, BUF-YYZ, LGA-YUL. Back then there were many more multi-stop flights; rare now except fo WN.
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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:09 am



I took the PNS-BHM many times on Eastern
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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:12 am

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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:12 am

As I recall EA also had a daily MIA-TPA-IND flight thru the 70's and maybe into the early eighties. They also ran a MSP-IND flight (maybe 2??) daily. It seems that that flight continued on but cannot recall where to if in fact it did.

 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:01 am

In the early 80s, Eastern was in terms of passenger traffic the largest airline in the free world. Considering they only had one true large hub, Atlanta (I'm not including large focus cities, mini-hubs and the Miami gateway which focused on more point to point flights than connecting opportunities) the bulk of their operations were point to point. They had large operations at several airports that were not conventional "Eastern cities." Among them is St Louis, though those operations shifted to Kansas City, a previously non Eastern served city in late 1983. Chicago also had lots and lots of Eastern point to point flights. Tampa was one of Eastern's larger stations throughout its existence. I have timetables of several airlines from the late 70s and early 80s (United, Braniff, Pan Am/National, Delta, Eastern, Northwest, American, TWA and Republic) and based solely on looking at the timetables it seems Eastern was much larger than all of those airlines with the exception of United at one point. EA offered more flights and greater frequency of flights at the time than just about anyone.

From the March 2, 1984 EA timetable, the largest Eastern operations in terms of daily flights were: (This includes Mainline service and the Air Shuttle only- no Eastern Express routes are factored in)


Atlanta 303

(Delta had about the same amount of daily departures at ATL)

Miami 106

(Eastern's Hometown- was at the time Miami's largest airline beating Pan Am easily. As Miami's largest airline and Fort Lauderdale's co-largest with Delta, EA was South Florida's #1 choice)

LaGuardia 77

(Includes Air Shuttle- nonstops to several cities up and down the east coast)

Charlotte 53

(An Eastern mini hub, used connecting banks unlike most EA cities save Atlanta)

Washington National 52

(Eastern was DCAs largest operator at the time)

Boston 48

(I believe Delta may have been larger at Logan at the time, but maybe not)

Houston (IAH) 47

(Was a normal Eastern connecting city- this was before the moonlight special which started about a year later)

Tampa 44

(Always a very large and important EA city)

Philadelphia 35

(Philadelphia became a more important city in the Eastern system in the mid 80s- this is prior to the PHL buildup)

Orlando 34

(Eastern was inconsistent in Orlando operations throughout the decade. Flights were started and then cut and started again- this represents one of the low points for MCO which at times had as many as 55 daily departures)

Kansas City 33

(Had just come online as a connecting city- eventually after the Texas Air buyout the IAH operation was dismantled and MCI had as many as 70 daily departures)

Fort Lauderdale 31

(Eastern actually had over 40 departures a day from FLL throughout much of the early 80s, but pulled back slightly in 1983/84. In 1985 daily departures again were built up close to 40)

Newark 30

(Lots and lots of flights to Florida)

JFK 26

(Not just international routes but also some service to cities on the east coast, some of which like Jacksonville did not have LaGuardia service)


San Juan 20








 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:35 am

Yeah, I was about to say. I remember CLT being an Eastern mini-hub from when I was a kid and my mom worked for EA. I even got to go onto the flight deck of an L-1011 at the old CLT terminal.

Those were the good ol' days. I miss EA.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:47 am

I had a look at that site, quite interesting, i think theres a very interesting trend; Other than the European routes, The city network of Eastern in 1991 is identical to the route network of US Airways today! Very heavy in the 'rural' east (i.e. PA, NC, VA ) and virtually none in the West from Chicago. Just an observation. Both also had/have HR "difficulties".

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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:08 am

Eastern had somehigher yielding routes than US Air, but yes the route structure is painfully similar.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:00 am


i remember Eastern running a 727 MIA-CAK-CLE and back. now that i think of it...it may not have been MIA but it WAS from a city in Fla. it was flight 726. i guess CAK didn't work out 'cuz it was eventually switched to PIT instead

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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:27 pm

Some interesting Eastern stand alone flights from the March 1984 timetable

All are once daily unless otherwise indicated

RSW-ORD
JFK-RIC
TPA-SYR
IAH-MOB (Twice daily)
SAT-MEX
FLL-BWI
TPA-PNS (Twice Daily)
BWI-YOW
MSY-CUN
FLL-NAS
IAD-YOW
SRQ-ORD
FLL-PIT-YYZ
BUF-YYZ (Four times daily)

Eastern's point to point structure was well developed and complimented the Atlanta hub. Unfortunetly perhaps there was too much flying over the ATL hub and from many city pairs there were also connecting possibilities via CLT.


 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:18 pm

I can remember flying the SDF-EVV-ATL route back in the 80's. I had just turned 21 so I was able to deplane, have a cocktail and get back on before departure. The old EVV airport just had airstairs and was pretty cool.

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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:27 pm

Back in the 1976 I flew from SJU-MCO on a L1011 brand new. I felt in love with that plane as you can tell, that is my Username. It was the best!!!!!!!
It was the official airline of Walt Disney and everything inside the aircraft including the napkins had the Disney Theme. After flying the L1011, we flew SJU-EWR in a 727 and I hated it!! Big down-grade.... but Eastern had a hub in SJU and it was the best airline to fly until AA took over.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:37 pm

This is a similar city by city look of Eastern’s route structure from the July 2, 1986 timetable. Texas Air had just taken over the airline. Let me preface everything by saying I am strictly neutral in the labor/Frank Lorenzo dispute. I am a near lifelong South Floridian who suffered by Eastern’s demise and just wish everything had worked out differently. The shots I take at Lorenzo below are not an indictment of everything he did at Eastern but just commentary on how much of Eastern’s cream ended up with Continental.



Atlanta 317 Daily Departures

Nonstop service to Ontario and San Jose, CA began in late 1984 and continued into the early Texas Air period

Miami 116 Daily Departures

This is perhaps the last timetable before MIA-LGW service was transferred to Continental. Increased service to Central America highlighted this period from MIA as well as non-stops to Buenos Aires.

LaGuardia 74 Daily Departures

Many of the cities served from LGA had changed since 1984 but the daily flight level remained about constant

Kansas City 71 Daily Departures

3 connecting banks highlight a booming Midwestern Hub for EA. This hub was always if I recollect a money loser for EA though.

Washington (National) 54 Daily Departures

An odd nonstop route to Knoxville highlights the service.

Boston 49 Daily Departures

Consistent flight levels from 1984

Charlotte 47 Daily Departures

By year’s end competition from Piedmont would end this hub’s run.

Orlando 47 Daily Departures

New non-stops to Norfolk and Cleveland highlight the increased service from 1984

Tampa 43 Daily Departures

Consistent flight schedule

Philadelphia 43 Daily Departures

Increased service from PHL to various northeastern cities such as Boston and Hartford

Newark 37 Daily Departures

This flight level would tail off quickly as Eastern maintaining its bread and butter Florida- Newark routes was a threat to Continental. EA maintained some level of service from EWR till the end, but never this high level again. An interesting route from EWR to Sarasota/Bradenton is included.

Fort Lauderdale 36 Daily Departures

Includes two daily non-stops to Islip that began in late 1984 and more service to Philadelphia- Eastern had a bad habit of starting and stopping FLL-BOS non-stops every few months. At this point the flight was on and being flown twice a day.

JFK 30 Daily Departures

Service to Mexico City would be shifted to Continental shortly after this timetable.

Houston (IAH) 23 Daily Departures

The Moonlight Special was still running, using IAH as a hub. The operation would soon be dismantled and for a time all Eastern service was shifted to Hobby in order to avoid competition with CO.

San Juan 21 Daily Departures

Includes the seasonal service to Orlando that ran every summer- Otherwise the flights are identical to 1984.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:00 pm

Air Tran's route map is looking more and more like EA's old map. Routes out of ATL, PHL and MCO are similar. BWI serves roughly the same cities that EA flew from DCA. Perhaps Air Tran plans for DFW to be what IAH was for EA and MDW to be what STL and then MCI were. Very similar, and somewhat scary!

 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:35 pm

I remember the EWR-PSE-EWR daily. (PSE) Ponce ,Puerto Rico.

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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:41 pm

It seems like that there were A LOT of those "weird" routes that we don't see anymore. How did the airlines make money on those routes...for example, a how many passengers would actually fly from Omaha to South bend (not that they had that route but that was an example)  Big thumbs up
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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:55 pm

Air Tran's Joseph Leonard -- he was operations boss at EA, so he knows the Air Tran plan
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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:57 am

When Eastern converted itself into a LCC that almost survived in 1990 they dropped many of these point to point routes and focused on transporting passengers via Atlanta. I often wondered what the point of Eastern's megahub in Atlanta was unless you were flying from a tier 2 or 3 city to another tier 2 or 3 city. Especially from Florida, EA seemed to offer at least one nonstop flight from major cities to other popular destinations and thus allowed people to avoid Atlanta. Air Tran seems to be doing a great deal of the same now. You're probably right- it's Joe Leonard replicating EA in every way except the name. (Right now Air Tran's name has a good reputation in the industry, so that's why contrary to some posters wishes, Air Tran will NOT be renamed Eastern)..
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Point-to-point Service

Sat Dec 11, 2004 6:14 am

Air Tran's Joseph Leonard -- he was operations boss at EA, so he knows the Air Tran plan

Cool, I never knew that. Perhaps EA is still in the air after all. I remember a recent post about this subject a few weeks ago. I thought I was begining to see a resemblance to the old EA network. Perhaps, just perhaps FL will evolve into the old EA.

I wonder how many flights they had out of BUF.....my first ride in an airplane was on an L1011 from BUF to ATL, then a 727 to SAN.

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