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Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:59 pm

Does anyone know why the airport code is still SGN?
 
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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:01 pm

Well, might be because the only place where it is called Ho Chi Minh City is on maps and government documents.

Also, changing an airport code is a long and expensive process people would rather avoid. It is the reason Denver International does not have the code DIA like most thought it would, rather the same DEN as Stapleton had
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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:02 pm

Think of all of the aviation charts, maps, that would have to be changed! And then you have numerous computer systems and such. Its mind boggling.

I do not know the details on this, but are there airports that have gone through the process of changing a code? Once a code is chosen, does the airport have to stick with it?

I remember a while back FAT (Fresno, CA) wanted to change their name to FYI (Fresno Yosemite Intl)....never happened though.
 
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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:08 pm

but are there airports that have gone through the process of changing a code?

....yup, plenty:

JFK used to be IDL
HND used to be TYO
GMP used to be SEL
ITM used to be OSA

...etc
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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:08 pm

>I remember a while back FAT (Fresno, CA) wanted to change their name to FYI (Fresno Yosemite Intl)....never happened though.<

Fresno is called Fresno Yosemite International now, but the code is still FAT (which stood for Fresno Air Terminal). Again, they wanted to change it because of the connotations FAT gives, but they found it would be way too difficult and expensive
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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:25 pm

Like SGN, some Chinese airports still have codes that stand for their old names:

PEK - Beijing (Peking)
NKG - Nanjing (Nanking)
CAN - Guangzhou (Canton)
KWL - Guilin (Kweilin)
 
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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:40 pm

JFK used to be IDL
HND used to be TYO
GMP used to be SEL
ITM used to be OSA


JFK seems to be the exception in this list. The codes for TYO, SEL and OSA were split because each of these cities got more than one airport. TYO split into NRT and HND, SEL split into GMP and ICN and OSA split into KIX and ITM. SEL's still used to denote Kimpo though.

In addition to SGN, there's lots of cities where the names have changed, but the airport code's remained the same:

BDQ, BOM, CCJ, CCU, COK, FRU, GAU, GOJ, KGD, KIV, LBD, LED, LYP, MAA, RGN, SVX, TGD, VOG
 
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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:03 pm

Vietnam Airlines usually use HCM for luggage tags on domestic VN flights to Ho Chi Minh, but intl ones are always labeled with SGN.
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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:10 pm

Its interesting, I have visited VietNam and everyone there refers to Ho Chi Hinh City as Saigon, even youngsters born after the war.....the name change was a political move that has never really caught on with the polulation.
 
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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:25 pm

Is Saigon the original Vietnamese name or was it given by the French colonial administration?

I didn't know that changing an airport code is that expensive. Berlin is getting a new airport and I always thought that it will get the code BBI (Berlin Brandenburg International), but with keeping the costs under control, is it possible that they will maintain the tree digit code SXF from Schonefeld?
 
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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:36 pm

I also heard that Sioux City wanted drop SUX, but were unable to because of the costs,
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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:55 am


RE Berlin: JoFMO, considering BBI is already some airstrip in India, I bet the new Schoenefeld will either continue to be SXF or change to BER, like they did in Oslo: When Gardermoen became the main airport, they replaced GEN with the old metro code OSL.

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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:30 am

*Its interesting, I have visited VietNam and everyone there refers to Ho Chi Hinh City as Saigon, even youngsters born after the war.....the name change was a political move that has never really caught on with the polulation.(

Dutchjet-
The reason most don't refer to Ho Chi Minh City (HCMC) as that, and instead prefer to call it Saigon, is because of discontent with the communist government. If you don't know, Ho Chi Minh was the communist leader who died before the end of combat in Vietnam. It was his dream that the French influence be removed, and thus the horrible conflict ensued. When the Vietnamese "won" the war, the head government officials renamed the city after him.
The same issue that you mentioned exists in other parts of the world today. When UA initiated its PR campaign in San Francisco, it received numerous complaints because of the negative connotations many Vietnamese nationals (and children of nationals) had with the late leader's name. As a result, UA had to change their advertisements to say "Also known as Saigon."

Ultimately, people just want to distance themselves from a government many do not support. Either way, HCMC/Saigon is an amazing city and I would recommend everyone go provided they have the opportunity!
 
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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:48 am

People should come over it. City names change from time to time. And as long as Vietname decide thath they want to call this place Ho Chi Minh, we should accept that.
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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:00 am

JoFMO:

That's the point. The Vietnamese people didn't accept it. I bet formal renaming occurs to the old name in a decade or two.
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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:04 am

As a practical matter, lots of people still call HCM City "Saigon". The hotels there still include the Sheraton Saigon, the Best Western Saigon, the Marco Polo Omni Saigon Hotel, The Grand Hotel Saigon, The Windsor Hotel Saigon, The New World Hotel Saigon, etc.

As to renaming airports, lots of us either still use the old name, or the 3-letter designation remains even though the name has changed. ORD for "Orchard Field", for example. Or how many people actually call ATL anything other than "Hartsfield" rather than the tortured "Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport" (have to add that Atlanta in the name or everybody would think they were going to Mississippi) or DCA anything other than "National" rather than "Reagan National".

In all of these cases, one explanation (besides "Old names die hard.") is that where the government imposes some less-than-optimal name, the public resists calling something anything other than what they have always called it.

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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:15 am

I think reply 12 kind of hits the nail on the head.

We have other similar examples too:

Rangoon became Yangon but code remains RGN
Bombay became Mumbai but code remains BOM
Calcutta became Kolkata but code remains CCU
Madras became Chennai but code remains MAA
Cochin became Kochi but the code remains COK

Hope at least the codes remain that way in memory of those great names.

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RE: Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?

Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:29 am

Or how many people actually call ATL anything other than "Hartsfield" rather than the tortured "Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport" (have to add that Atlanta in the name or everybody would think they were going to Mississippi) or DCA anything other than "National" rather than "Reagan National".

I hear people say "Reagan National" all the time.
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