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CO New Long Hauls

Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:29 pm

From Newark, beginning Spring/Summer 2005:

Stockholm (757)
Berlin (757)
Hamburg (757)
Belfast (757)
Bristol (757)
Lagos, Nigeria (TBD....most likely a B767-200)

Additional frequencies to Amsterdam (B767-400, B767-200) instead of one daily B777.

Seasonal double-daily to FCO (B767-400, B767-200)

Double daily to Tel Aviv? (B777)

Double daily to Birmingham, UK (B757)

Double daily to Paris, CDG (B777, B767-200)

Double daily to London/Gatwick (year round) (B777, B767-400)

Additional weekly frequencies to Glasgow, Scotland

Daily nonstops to:

Existing

Tokyo/Narita
Hong Kong (five weekly)
Milan
Madrid
Lisbon
Brussels
Zurich
Geneva
Frankfurt (going to a 777 from a 767-400)
Manchester
Edinburgh
Shannon

Impressive! The New York area never had an airline with that many nonstop flights to so many international routes. And this list does not include all the flights to the Caribbean, Canada, and Central/South American destinations.

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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:53 pm

You're forgetting about a few cities, so here's a full list of all of their destinations from EWR:

Transatlantic (new):

Stockholm (757)
Belfast (757)
Berlin (757)
Hamburg (757)
Bristol (757)
Lagos (762)
Moscow (762) - 2006

Transatlantic (existing):

London (777/762)
Manchester (777)
Madrid (777)
Lisbon (752)
Paris (777/762)
Milan (762)
Rome (777)
Amsterdam (777/762)
Frankfurt (764->777)
Tel Aviv (777/777)
Zurich (762)
Geneva (762)
Brussels (764)
Oslo (757)
Glasgow (762)
Edinburgh (757)
Birmingham (757/757)
Dublin (762 alternating with 752)
Shannon (752)

Caribbean:
Nassau
Freeport
Grand Cayman
San Juan
Aguadilla
Aruba
Trinidad & Tobago
Barbados
Antigua
St. Maarten
St. Thomas
Puerto Plata
Santo Domingo
Santiago
Punta Cana
Bermuda
Kingston
Montego Bay

I think that covers it all. An extensive and impressive route map, to say the least.
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:00 pm

Thanks for the list! A very impressive network with a lot of new destinations.

Since I will move to Hamburg very soon, I will try to get a seat on the first flight from HAM to EWR on June 10th, that would be the first time for me that I fly on CO, the first time for me in a narrowbody over the Atlantic, and I would be for the first time in my life on an inaugural-flight. Let's hope that I will find a cheap fare.

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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:03 pm

Hopefully, CO will do the EWR-ANC run again . . . I didn't see it above. I know ANC isn't 'international' but . . . . might as well be.
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:08 pm

The second set of flights to Rome will only be 4 weekly.
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:13 pm

I forgot one city, Oslo.

Newark-Moscow has been postponed until 2006.

 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:24 pm

You forgot to add the South American cities served from EWR:

- Bogota (757)
- Sao Paulo (762)
- Quito (stop in BOG, 757)
- Lima (757)
- Caracas (73G)
- Guayaquil (757)

Plus the cities in central america....

Edit: Forgot GYE...

[Edited 2004-12-11 15:25:45]
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:32 pm

CO serves GRU and GIG from IAH (and not only GRU as posted above).
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:29 am

I am now suspect that EWR-LOS will come on board soon. I think they want to do it, but too many issues to resolve.
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:46 am

Dont forget the possible China routes. If they indeed get them I think they
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 6:03 am

...and don't forget the new nonstops to exciting Del Rio!  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 6:29 am

Hardiwv...I was talking about destinations from EWR not IAH.....
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:24 am

From an operational perspective, i think its great that Continental can use the B757's for such long routes to link "smaller" cities to the USA. Of course, from a spotter's perspective, we all want to see the 777's and the likes, but that isn't a factor.

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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:29 am

Additional weekly frequencies to Glasgow, Scotland

Great news for GLA. So no EDI upgrade for atleast another year? I was expecting an upgrade of some kind, maybe too much to ask so soon. Hopefully 2006 will see a change.
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:36 am

I just noticed the other thread about CO actually starting service to LOS, so pardon my ignorance in my post above!

I find myself too busy to look at all the threads on here!!!!!!
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:46 am

Don't forget EWR-HNL "Domestic Long Haul"
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:53 pm

Do they have any plans to put more Asia flights on?
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 1:09 pm

I think we need to qualify the statement about New York never having had an airline with so many non-stops to so many places.

Can anyonee make a comparison to Pan Am's schedules at its apex - with non-stops that would probably mean the late 1980s - but the late 1970s for total desitnations served. I am thinking they would beat CO hands down. Plus they flew a ton of seats because of the 747-100's massive capacity.

What does everyone think?
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 1:42 pm

What Asian cities does CO or any airline NOT serve from EWR or JFK that *are* served from the west-coast???

Could we see those on board soon?
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 1:43 pm

" I am thinking they would beat CO hands down."

Nope, you have to take into account CO's frequencies to Canada, Mexico and the Carribbean. And while Pan Am did fly to lots of European destinations, many were not on a daily basis even during the peak Summer months save the top destinations (Italy, England, France etc..).
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:00 pm

Another thing to take into account is that Pan Am and TWA used lots of "tags" on flights, JFK-Hamburg-Berlin etc.. CO avoids tags and flies nonstop back and forth.
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 3:35 pm

What are the chances of seeing CO to possibly serve ATH or CAI?
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:19 pm

Good call STT757

I was thinking that after I wrote it. The FRA, TXL, and LHR hubs for PA and the CDG and LHR hubs for TW reduced the number of outbounds across the pond for Pan Am.

I guess I was just sort of thinking about the period where Pan Am had the A310s in trans atlantic service and upped non-stop frequencies. I was thinking they also did some Carribbean service out of JFK in addition to the MIA operation.

I would be interested in the overall capacity as well. I think PAs 741s held over 400, which is more than two CO 757s. It would be interesting to look at the overall uplift.

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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:23 pm

Hopefully, CO will do the EWR-ANC run again . . . I didn't see it above. I know ANC isn't 'international' but . . . . might as well be.

It's a shame the closest thing to that is the CO flight from Houston-ANC, but it's seasonal.
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:11 pm

What are the chances of seeing CO to possibly serve ATH or CAI?
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CO would be interested in an EWR-ATH run, but I am rather sure that governmental authorities would be needed - Greece and US do not have open skies and DL has the NYC-Athens route. CO was studying the possibilities long ago, back when DC10-30s were the primary aircraft accross the Atlantic and I have not heard much about Athens since....it would be an ideal route for a 762. Concerning CAI, I have honestly heard nothing but when TLV was announced it was a total surprise and the EWR-TLV has gone on to a hugely successful and profitable route for for CO (its the only transatlantic route out of EWR with two daily 777s during the summer season). While TW had some success with its operations in and out of Cairo, DL's attempts did not go very well although DL's timing ended up being all wrong - my guess is that CO will not send its own aircraft to Cairo in the near future and serve that city in cooperation with its SkyTeam partners KL and AF for a variety of reasons.


Hopefully, CO will do the EWR-ANC run again . . . I didn't see it above. I know ANC isn't 'international' but . . . . might as well be.

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The EWR-ANC nonstop operated only during the Summer season - for one or maybe two summers - and the flight did not opearate during Summer 2004. I dont think it will return for a couple reasons: first, the CO's 757s are now going to be doing a lot of transatlantic work; second, the flight (for some reason) was always seemed to be a scheduling and operational problem - maybe because the aircraft used tended to do Florida runs inbetween the flights to ANC; and, third, the yeilds were so-so, a good percentage of the pax on the flight were cruise passengers flying on air/sea packages travelling under bulk fares negotiated by the cruise lines.


 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:34 pm

I am surprised to see CO jumping on the SVO market rather than the PRG market. PRG is an up and coming city with tons of history and a booming ecomony with a slew of business and pleasure travel. If I'm not mistaken, they are also a hotspot for the movie industry with XXX, Bourne Identity, and other big screen titles being mostly filmed there. Granted CSA flies there, with a DL codeshare, but not daily since they don't enough A310's to fulfill their international schedule.
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:45 am

There is much more business traffic going to Moscow than to Prague FlyIbaby, and further, CO would operate the EWR-Moscow route to Domedodovo Airport and not Sheremetyevo (SVO). That route has been postponed.

Doesn't OK still fly EWR-PRG in addition to JFK-PRG?

 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:48 am

"Doesn't OK still fly EWR-PRG in addition to JFK-PRG"

Yup, A310s.
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:56 am

Great post Dutchjet....

I just wanted to add that TW's success in CAI had a great deal to do with the fact that the flight continued on to Riyadh, and TW had local traffic between those two points. I remember that it was posted in this forum a long time ago that the Riyadh segment was responsible for a great deal of the profits on this route. Therefore I could certainly envision CO doing a EWR-CAI-Riyadh routing, even though CO doesn't like tags. However as many will point out, a U.S. carrier serving Saudi Arabia at this time poses many special considerations and serious concerns. Therefore I doubt we will see it any time soon, and am not seriously suggesting it!

Also I believe CO codeshares with EK to DXB, but I remember some talk here awhile back about CO wanting to serve DXB with their own metal too???

Someone even had a link to a Dot document on the docket regarding a CO filing to serve DXB......
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:37 am

A CO EWR-ATH would be an awesome route.

I thought that back in the day a few months back I read that CO was adding another LIS flight using a 767-200 sometime this winter? Did I dream this? It is highly possible that I did.

Thanks in advance.
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:14 am

EWR-IST might work well too. Right now, it's just Turkish Airlines and Delta.
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:48 am

I could see IST working as well. I have been to IST. During the summer IST flights are brimming and overselling. If CO launches IST, during the winter I bet CO would reduce frequencies like with Oslo service. I have been to Turkey outside of summer, and the weather was not so nice. Pretty awful actually. I remember when both PA and TW served IST, but of course they were through FRA. PA even went on to ESB with their 727! (ESB stands for Esenboga airport - Ankara, the capital of Turkey).

Regarding service to CAI, it is clear with TW and later DL's service, CAI cannot sustain nonstop service on a standalone basis from the U.S. It must have a tag to make the route workable. How interesting.......
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:48 am

EWR-BOM/DEL via some EU/UK city will also work very well
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:31 pm

EWR-OTP (Bucharest) is the route that CO needs to start!

Tarom droped their direct JFK route last year at the bequest of Airfrance and a rumored future Skyteam invite, though nothing has come of this and now AirFrance is simply skimming all the transatlantic traffic through CDG. And likewise LH throgh FRA, etc.

I've lived in Moldova, and can tell you the traffic from Romania to the States is there. The route would be even more assured to succeed with all the transfers at EWR. Now with the new Romanian prez, Basescu, foreign direct investment will soar!

Forget PRG, BUD, ATH--they're all already served, by Skyteam members even. CO-OTP is where the money is.

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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:28 pm

The CO service EWR to Oslo, Norway will be daily during summer periodes, and 3-4 times a week during winter periodes.
From what I hear they are doing very well on this service which SAS backed out of....surprisingly enough
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Wed Dec 15, 2004 10:10 pm

Hopefully, CO will do the EWR-ANC run again . . . I didn't see it above. I know ANC isn't 'international' but . . . . might as well be.

It's a shame the closest thing to that is the CO flight from Houston-ANC, but it's seasonal.


CO operate a daily service via SEA (CO1781)

FLIGHT DATE SEGMENT DPTR ARVL MLS EQP ELPD MILES SMD
1 CO 1281 23JUL EWR SEA 1345 1630 L 757 5.45 2406 N
DEP-TERMINAL C
SEA ANC 1730 1950 S 3.20 1445 N

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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Wed Dec 15, 2004 10:18 pm

7LBAC111: "CO operate a daily service via SEA (CO1781) "

Yup, I know, but you still have that infernal stop in SEA. At least it's a 757. It was dandy to go DCA-EWR-ANC.

As an aside, I've seen COs 73W (is that the appropriate deignator for a winglet equipped 738?) at ANC twice. Naturally, neither time was I camera ready. It's an easy shot too, as CO gate is A16 at ANC so the photo from the vehicle ramp is about 100 Ft away. I'll do better next time.  Smile
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:04 am

I've seen COs 73W (is that the appropriate deignator for a winglet equipped 738?)"

'73W' is already used by CO for some other 737 subfleet. The Winglet-ed craft are '73N's. 17 of the currently planned 22 73Ns are now in service. .... It's a fairly safe bet that more will follow at some point.
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:14 am

How comfortable could a 757 be going across the atlantic??
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:25 am

How comfortable could a 757 be going across the atlantic??

Ugh, this question always comes up, and the answer is always the same: if you're in economy, it's as comfortable as just about anything else flying across the ocean. The seat pitch and width are the same, and there are 3 seats by each window, just like the 747 and 777. However, without the middle section, your odds of getting a middle seat are much lower. On the downside, there aren't PTVs, but then again there are tons of planes flying across the Atlantic daily without PTVs in economy--DL and AA 767s, for example.

There are always people who bitch and moan about 757s on long flights, and that's fine--it's a personal preference, I guess. But for my money, I'd much rather have a nonstop flight than deal with the hassle of changing planes, thank you very much. And, judging by the success CO has had with its 757 long hauls thus far, I'd say there are plenty of people who either (a) agree with me, or--more likely--(b) simply don't give a damn because it has never even occurred to them what kind of plane they're flying on.  Smile
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:36 am

Are there any 757 interior photos?(I refer to the 757 used to Europe)

Thanks
 
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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:37 am

I have a couple of questions dealing with using a 757 for some of these flights.

-Are any of these flights weight restricted?
-EWR-BER (3985nm)
-EWR-HAM (3824nm)
-EWR-STO (3943nm)
Any headwind on the flight back across the pond would almost certainly require a fuel stop in SNN or KEF. Berlin is already 85 nm outside of boeings max range!

-Do these aircraft have a domestic 1st or international 1st on board?

-Are these aircraft dedicated strictly for international or do they switch to domestic too.

-and finally, Does CO put their new 757's with winglets on these ultra-long routes (for a 757) to give the planes more range?

Just curious!!

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RE: CO New Long Hauls

Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:18 am

Regarding service to CAI, it is clear with TW and later DL's service, CAI cannot sustain nonstop service on a standalone basis from the U.S.

MS serves JFK-CAI nonstop.
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