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AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:25 am

I've just had a look on the Port Authority's JFK website and it states that AA's new terminal will open fully in 2007.

It gives the impression though that it will open in stages before then.

Does anyone over there know if this is indeed the case ?

I was also thinking that opening the new terminal might precipitate some new Euro routes from JFK for AA.

MAN, GLA and DUB spring to mind immediately.

GLA in particular would be terrific Big grin

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Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:52 am

My information has the mid-field terminal opening this summer. All other work is on a slow, cost as little as possible, path.

But no new routes, yet, as there will not be a net gain in Gates until the entire project is complete. And the project has been scaled back from the original plan that you might have seen in models prior to 9/11.
 
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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:58 am

Seeing as I fly to/from the JFK AA terminal 2-4 times a month, I think that any improvement would be great. The place is horrid.
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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:28 am

I actually don't remember AA's JFK terminal being that horrid. I was there almost two years ago, after I flew LHR-JFK on an AA Boeing 777. While waiting to board an AA MD-80 JFK-STL, I got to take a look around it. I'd have to say there was nothing special about it, but it at least was a little more interesting than their terminal at ORD  Big thumbs up  Laugh out loud
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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:44 am

T-9 is pretty bad by US standards for modern major International airports, T-8 less so. Although at JFK T-2 is even worse still.

The new AA Terminal when complete will have 37 gates, a small increase from what was available prior to the projects launch. The project now mostly is a upgrade rather than an expansion of the JFK operation, it's pretty much a given that any expansion of flights will be in the International rather than Domestic as made quite evident by the removal of Eagle's 20 gates from the project.

I think if DL were to make a drastic reduction at JFK Internationaly then AA would probably be keen to pick up the slack, however if things stay the way the are then I would look for more "Seasonal" International growth as opposed to year round service.

I would look for "Seasonal" growth to Ireland, Italy, Scotland and Barcelona, mostly with Domestic 757s as they are doing in Boston (save Italy).

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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:25 am

STT57,

I think any growth would be seasonal initially and then year round.

With NY being a premium destination I thought the 2 class 763 might have been used.

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Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:40 am

AA is going to have a few new terminals in the coming years. One at MIA, the new international terminal at DFW and the new one at JFK.


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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:44 am

I can't wait too see AA's new international terminal at DFW. That looks like it will be one hell of a terminal.
 
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:54 am


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This thing is going to be huge...any more ideas for routes?

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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:16 am

In the UK I reckon GLA, MAN and possibly BHX.

DUB and a few airports on the continent might be served also.

A daily 763 to GLA would be great Big grin

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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:23 am

Is this thread really about AA'a new JFK terminal, or just a sly way of making a plea for more AA at GLA?  Insane  Big grin
 
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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:27 am

When I said horrid, I was reffering to:
- The dark, dated and worn out decor.
- The low ceilings.
- The squeezed in security checkpoints.
- The lack of amenities. A bit more choice when it comes to food would be more than welcome.
- The lack of Windows at the end of T-8. It's like sitting in a cave full of people.

This place is actually worse than LHR3, and that's saying a lot. At least at LHR3 there are a zillion stores to wander around in.
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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:34 am

SL,

Both  Big grin

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Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:43 am

Both

Keep it up, you're doing well to avoid any mention of EDI. How surprising...

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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 7:02 am

Actually STT757, the AA terminal is a huge expansion----AND U KNOW THAT!

It will be the largest terminal in the NY area (even larger than STT's EWR terminals) with a check in hall larger than Giants Stadium (also in NJ, my man STT757)
The terminal will have 37 gates. A net increase of 12 gates over AAs previous terminal. That's a 48% increase STT.

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Mon Dec 13, 2004 7:10 am

From the air it does not look like a mess, but from the ground, let me tell you, its a horrible mess!!!


when you look at the photo, IBs little gate it 22, which is to the right of the end of that little road, I hope AA can get them a better gate
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:23 am

AlitaliaMD11- I'm sure they will...I don't think there will be a bad gate in the whole place. I used to have rendrings of the inside, but I got a new computer and they were lost...does anyone have them?

MY predicitions-
SNN
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BCN
MAD
FCO
MXP

Just throwin some ideas out

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Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:52 am

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Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:29 am

The new terminal will be open in April of 2005. They will still use terminal 8, for international arrivals. But at least will use the new terminal, for departures. It will be, a great improvement over the current terminal.
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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:55 am

"Actually STT757, the AA terminal is a huge expansion----AND U KNOW THAT!

It will be the largest terminal in the NY area (even larger than STT's EWR terminals) with a check in hall larger than Giants Stadium (also in NJ, my man STT757)
The terminal will have 37 gates. A net increase of 12 gates over AAs previous terminal. That's a 48% increase STT. "

Easy there..

It will have 37 gates, not that many as before. It is a large increase in square footage of the building, but gate wise it's not that big of an increase in capacity.

The check in hall was planned to be quite large, but will not be as large as planned when completed. They may expand it to it's originaly planned size later, however when it opens the ticketing hall will not be as large as JFK's T-4.

Compare the planned size of the ticketing hall



And what's being built, it's about half the size.



It's not as large as CO's EWR which has over 70 gates, closer to 80. The gate capacity is something to brag about, not the square footage of the check in hall. That's where travelers spend the least amount of time.


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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:02 am

Even with 37 gates...AA currrently has 23 I believe so that is a huge increase in gate space.

Lets not argue about size though...as they always say, "size doesnt matter...its how you use what you have"

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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:07 am

A quick question. Is the design of the terminal suppose to allow for aircraft to taxi between what looks like the underground walkway between the two terminals. From looking at that overhead picture and then the simulated pictures just above, it looks like it would be quite a tight fit for some of the larger aircraft like the 777. From the overhead picture, it appears that the aircraft near this area all by itself is an A300. It looks like it would pass, but without a substantial amount of clearance room. Anyone know taxi patterns around this new terminal?
 
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:20 pm

T8 and T9 make Mumbai's Airport look like Changi.

The terminal is a disgraceful introduction to the United States.

At this point anything would be an improvement.
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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:23 pm

I don't think there will be any new destinations from JFK for AA. Nothing has been going around the rumor mill. The exact date for the opening of the new midfield terminal is April 20, 2005. The reduction in size of the terminal is due to the fact that American Eagle's operation at JFK was downsized, and the concourses for the RJs won't be built.
 
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:56 pm

STT757,
You are incorrect with your size findings.  Smile

Your photo is not the whole terminal. The check in hall has not been shrunk at all. It will be the same size. Take a look at the temporary walls on either side of the ticketing hall in a newer photo.

Also notice that the departure roadway extends on the east and west sides of the half-built terminal. They would not build a brand new elevated roadway if it wasn't conecting to a terminal frontage.

The actual size of the terminal is the full length of that straight-edge elevated roadway.

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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:26 pm

Now they need to something at BOS with that disgusting falling apart hangar and building 16
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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:59 pm

"It's not as large as CO's EWR which has over 70 gates, closer to 80. The gate capacity is something to brag about, not the square footage of the check in hall."

I disagree. What makes a terminal nice is how well the facilities are designed as well as what it offers to the traveller.

CO's Newark terminal is overcrowded in my opinion. It always gives me the feeling of being in a zoo.
 
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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:55 pm

Might it be possible that we could see some new Euro routes in 2006/7 then ?

UK regions to USA traffic is really taking off, thanks in part to the weak $.

I'd really have thought this, combined with the new terminal at JFK would have seen a few routes to the UK regions.

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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:30 pm

Hey


I really dont think that AA would start service to BCN or MAD from JFK, becuase they are such close partners with IB and there flights are codeshares amd now that they are putting a A340-600 on the route, well one flight is a A343 and the other is a a346, and starting in Sept both are with a A346, there would be more room on the plane. AA has a service to MAD from MIA using a 767, If that route where updded to a 777, that would probaly end the IB flights to MAD.
Also with Aer Lingus having so many flights out of JFK, I doubt they would start services to Ireland.

I am flying back to NY in JULY of 2005 on IB, will the new terminal be open, and a new arrivals area??
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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:46 am

Does anyone know if there will be an American Airlines company ramp tower on this new terminal? Someone asked me and I am now curious myself.

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Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:53 am

I think the plan is to open the mid field concourse in the next 6 months or so. After that construction will continue on the West side of the terminal which which will mean the end of ops in T9 as they build out the left side of the terminal. After than portion is completed in about a year and a half - two year those gates open up and they build out the right side (T8) of the terminal which meas the demolition of T8. I think the plan is still for the check in area to be as large as originally envisioned. (Correct me if I'm wrong, I hope it is...it'll look fantatastic and it'll give AA the needed revenue from imporved shops and restaurants)

I beleive the only thing omitted from the original 55 gate plan is the RJ gates which is closer to the road side of the terminal. the large jet gates (37) remain therefore the revised design doesn't preclude AA from initating furture long range (Europe/Asia) routes when the market improves.
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:44 am

Once again, AA, will move to the new terminal in April of 2005. All international arrivals, will still deplane at terminal 8, until the other phase is complete. Oh....And With the new terminal, we will have 12 more Gates. 12 more Gates, is 12 more Gates! That is 12 more aircraft that can park there. Hopefully we will see some new routes opening up, 757 TransAtlantic style.
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:55 am

Aa767400,

Will the final configuration of the entire terminal be essentially what was planned in 1999 without the American Eagle gates (including the large check in area) There seems to be some confusion on this?

Thanks.

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Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:04 am

AA new DFW international terminal will be open before their JFK terminal? Will AA be adding new European services from JFK once their terminal is complete?

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Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:59 am

"CO's Newark terminal is overcrowded in my opinion. It always gives me the feeling of being in a zoo."

It's the busiest Terminal the NYC Tri-State area in terms of travelers handled, of course there's going to be crowds. Crowds in airports and malls are a good sign, the stores in EWR's Terminal C do quite well and win lots of awards.

The stores in T-4 (the one's that are open) at JFK for instance are loosing their shirts, not enough foot traffic during most hours of the day. And almost half of the retail and concession space is empty.
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:22 am

Most of the stores in T4 aren't all that good. I recently received a post card in the mail from T4 (don't know how they got my address), inviting me to come shop at the stores there. Last week I decided to make the trip, since this would give me a chance to ride the airtrain. I was disappointed by the lack of stores in T4, and the ones which are there, are ridiculously expensive. No way for now at least, that people will be coming to these stores from the outside, to shop there.
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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:25 am

The stores in T4 will probably cater to travllers from Europe as there are favorable exchange rates from a European visitors point of view.

Anyone knows the details for AA terrminal final configuration and when it will finally be complete?

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Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:48 am

IMO T4 at JFK is one of the most underappreciated terminals around. It's an attractive design, clean, efficient, and overall a great replacement for the old IAB.

The problem obviously lies in the nature of the traffic there; there's nobody that is consistently operating flights all day long to keep most of the shops afloat. I always thought if another airline wanted to come in and start a significant JFK operation, T4 would be a home run and offer just about anything an operator could want. It's a shame the handful of daily CO flights no longer fly from there, instead flying out of Delta's building a few doors down.
 
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:54 am

T-4 is crying out for DL to move in, extend the aligator leg concourses of T-4 and move DL into T-4. This was part of DL's ambitious Expansion plan of 2000, they could scale it back and do without alot of aspects of the former plan.
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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:46 am

The problem for DL is that they are almost bankrupt. Realistically, when you are in dire straights, you must scale back spending.

They already have 30 gates at JFK. The project that they were going to undertake had 42 or 45 gates.
Even with a significant increase in operations over the past two years, DL still has plenty of room in T2 and T3 for expansion throughout the day.

A less costly refreshment of the two terminals is on order--and a smart move on their part.


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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:02 am

Does anybody know if AA is managing the JFK project, just like they are (mis-)managing the construction of their new MIA terminal?

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Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:04 am

"A less costly refreshment of the two terminals is on order--and a smart move on their part"

Basically all they are doing is HVAC work and some baggage system upgrades, nothing drastic.

True DL does not have the money, in fact I would not at all be surprised to see DL abandon the JFK experiment. It's never really grown in the 13 years they have been at the helm of the former Pan Am Trans-Atlantic empire, DL pulling down the majority of their JFK operations would be a huge opportunity for AA who are much better suited than DL to grow at JFK and compete.

Im not saying DL is definitely going to drastically cut JFK ops but maybe if DL did drop their International flying at JFK AA would be able to make a JFK-FRA flight work after several tries over the years, and perhaps they could even operate JFK-Barcelona and Rome year round.
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:15 pm

DL has realized the importance of their JFK OPS and will NOT be reducing them in the near future.
 
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:22 pm

STT757,
I'm sorry to say this buddy. I have spoken with you quite a bit over the past few months and have grown to enjoy your insight and enjoy the discussions. However, your point of view is so slighted against NYC, its people, its airports, and its airlines that it is leading you to make ridiculous statements that are so far from the truth that it insults your obvious wealth of knowledge when it comes to aviation.

Here are some of your quotes from this thread alone:

1. "The new AA Terminal when complete will have 37 gates, a small increase from what was available prior to the projects launch. "

Again, that is a 48% increase in gate space. Please define small.

2. "I would look for "Seasonal" growth to Ireland, Italy, Scotland and Barcelona, mostly with Domestic 757s as they are doing in Boston (save Italy)."

This is more CO's experiment out of your beloved Liberty Airport. I have never seen AA fly a domestic 757 across the pond from JFK. On what basis do you make this statement now?

3. "It's not as large as CO's EWR which has over 70 gates, closer to 80. The gate capacity is something to brag about, not the square footage of the check in hall. That's where travelers spend the least amount of time."

WWW.CONTINENTAL.COM. A quick glance at the terminal map of Terminal C shows 58 gates. Even if we include CO's 5 gates at Terminal A we come to 63 total gates.
That's a difference of between 7 and 22 gates depending on which of your numbers we use and if we include Terminal A gates. Being a huge CO and EWR fan--how do you explain this?

4. "The stores in T-4 (the one's that are open) at JFK for instance are loosing their shirts, not enough foot traffic during most hours of the day. And almost half of the retail and concession space is empty."

From www.jfkiat.com. Shops at Terminal 4.
Retail:

DFS Galleria - Duty Free Shop
Runway Retail
DKNY - Women and Men's Apparel & Accessories
Runway Beauty
Runway Delight - Gourmet Food
Runway Bags - Leather Bags & Accessories
Runway Fashion - Hugo Boss, Sand, Guess
Runway Toys
The Brew Store
Fossil
Tie Rack - Women and Men's Accessories
Swarovski - Crystal & Jewelry
H. Stern - Fine Jewelry
Spellbound Music Express - Music & Music Related Accessories
Silver Collection - Silver Jewelry & Accessories
Hudson Group - News, Books & Souvenir Shop
The Metropolitan Museum of Art - Art Related Accessories
Ports of Calls - Souvenirs and Accessories
Coming Soon - Ferragamo and Hermes
Food & Beverage (SSP Thompson Group)

Au Bon Pain - Arrivals Hall
Bar Avion
Caffe Ritazza
Cucina Express
Delancey's Bar
Krispy Kreme
Mc Donald's
Mesa Picante
Naples Express
Sylvia's
Zum Zum
The Brooklyn Ale House (B Concourse)
Shannon's Bar (A Concourse)

I count over 30 retail establishments represented in one terminal. Not to bad for a struggling terminal.

5. "True DL does not have the money, in fact I would not at all be surprised to see DL abandon the JFK experiment. It's never really grown in the 13 years they have been at the helm of the former Pan Am Trans-Atlantic empire, DL pulling down the majority of their JFK operations would be a huge opportunity for AA who are much better suited than DL to grow at JFK and compete."

I don't even know how to tackle this ludicrous claim. I'll start by saying that DL's ops at JFK are larger now than they ever have been. I'll continue by saying they are the largest carrier at JFK. I'll further continue by saying they are the largest carrier across the North Atlantic which includes to U.S. gateways--ATL and JFK.

They serve more destinations in Europe from NYC than any other carrier. They have more domestic service from JFK than any other carrier. They run 2 terminals and 30 gates at JFK.







 
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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:36 pm

jfklganyc, Don't worry about good old STT757. He has bashed NYC, and anything in it, since day one. NJ, is god, and CO, is king. And that is that! NJ, is richer,cleaner,smarter, etc.....

It is a lost cause with him.
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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:36 am

There is one huge difference between AA at JFK and CO at EWR.

CO-EWR is their super hub, hence their 63 gates

AA-JFK is mainly for cross country, european, and latin american routes (plus NRT). So you have 37 gates in the new terminal. Now add to that the gates that they have at LGA! LGA+JFK go up against EWR because EWR is a domestic and international airport where LGA and JFK only serve 1 of those purposes. Thats why AA has no JFK-ORD flights but they have a ton of LGA-ORD flights. So...lets add to 37 the 10 gates they have on Concourse D...that gives us 47. Now add C1-C4, C5, C6, and C8. That is 8 more to our total bring us to a total of 55 gates. Thats not alot less than CO, and AA considers NYC a focus city!

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Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:36 am

" I have never seen AA fly a domestic 757 across the pond from JFK. On what basis do you make this statement now?"

They are doing it from Boston right NOW.

"WWW.CONTINENTAL.COM. A quick glance at the terminal map of Terminal C shows 58 gates. Even if we include CO's 5 gates at Terminal A we come to 63 total gates.
That's a difference of between 7 and 22 gates depending on which of your numbers we use and if we include Terminal A gates. Being a huge CO and EWR fan--how do you explain this?"


They have double ended most gates in the C-2 concourse so that one gate can handle two aircraft at once, they have doubled the gates in the concourse. Example gate 1 now becomes gates 1A and 1B etc..

You can see this cleary in this over view when enlarged.


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Terminal C has 66-68 gates, add another 5 at Terminal A.

"I count over 30 retail establishments represented in one terminal. Not to bad for a struggling terminal. "

It's not just me to notice that, other posters have already noticed and the NY Times has even run stories on how poorly the shops are fairing especialy since the group that built T-4 were counting on leases of retail space for a big portion of their revenue.

"I'll start by saying that DL's ops at JFK are larger now than they ever have been. I'll continue by saying they are the largest carrier at JFK. I'll further continue by saying they are the largest carrier across the North Atlantic which includes to U.S. gateways--ATL and JFK.

They serve more destinations in Europe from NYC than any other carrier. They have more domestic service from JFK than any other carrier. They run 2 terminals and 30 gates at JFK."

I would argue they seved more International Destinations from JFK in 1992, and CO serves almost twice as many European Destinations from EWR (23) as DL does from JFK (12-14?).
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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:44 am

STT-Everything you say is true...but this is an unfair battle. CO has more resources being put into EWR. If JFK was as convenient as EWR for people in the metro area and LGA did not exist I'm sure AA would be just as big.

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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:52 am

STT- You mentioned:
--- " I have never seen AA fly a domestic 757 across the pond from JFK. On what basis do you make this statement now?"
They are doing it from Boston right NOW. ----

Actually....if you read the statement correctly, it says "JFK"....we ALL know they are flying 757s across the pond from Boston...but they currently do not operate them across the pond out of JFK.

Just thought I'd point that out...since this appears to have turned into a battle thread, as usual on airliners.net.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: AA's New Terminal At JFK

Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:56 am

Im not saying that this airport is better or this one is worse, what Im saying each of the 4 (yes four) NYC Airports run by the Port Authority are totaly different and serve different niches.

LGA= Regional Business oriented airport with some flights that push or exceed the 1,500 Mile perimeter. Dominated by AA, DL, US Airways.

JFK= Major International Gateway (especialy for foreign carriers) which is on par with LAX and MIA, wide choices of flights to Florida, Las Vegas and LAX, SFO. Few Domestic (and International YYZ) Business routes within 1,500 miles.
Dominated by Jetblue, AA, DL.

EWR= A balance of International and Domestic flights, Dominated by CO but good coverage from Domestic Carriers to hubs and some point to point flying. Also solid International presence, not on par with the top three (JFK, LAX, MIA) but right there with ORD on the next tier, also Prestigious routes like CO's EWR-Hong Kong and SQ's EWR-Singapore Nonstops.

Teterboro= Corporate Elite and Entertainment's A-list crowd, G-V's.
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