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Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:00 am

Who operates the most routes with a B767 long-haul? I know that AA has/had? some service a few years ago from JFK-GRU on a 767's. (or am I wrong?) But extensively on its trans-pac routes, AC has the largest number of flights. YVR-NRT, YVR-KIX, YVR-PVG, YVR-PEK, YYZ-NRT (all of them seasonally A340). So which airline is it that flies them for the long haul? I don't know what the figures are like for EC carriers. A few years ago, I remember Alitalia had an NRT-MSP flight on a B767. Personally, I think pax would enjoy that 2-3-2 seating opposed to a B747 3-4-3.

Does anybody know which airlines fly them on which routes?

I know the shortest route (I think before you start bashing me again) is the ANA ITM-Matsuyama. I think the distance is, 180 miles or so. But what is the longest route on a 767?
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Hau

Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:35 am

DL is the largest of all 767 operators, and I believe (though don't quote me) the largest 763ER operator as well.... so probably them.
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:39 am

DL is the largest operator of 767s. Followed by American Airlines.
NH, JL, AC, QF, 5X, ABX & UA are also large operators as well.
 
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:39 am

Delta has the largest fleet of 767's and the most longhaul 767 routes. BTW, are they ever going to get anymore 772's?

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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:01 am

LAN has 18 767s, all used in long hauls:

SCL to:
PPT, MIA, PUJ, HAV, MEX, CUN, LAX, BOG, CCS, UIO

LIM to:
LAX, JFK, MIA

GYE to
MAD

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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:39 am

Concordeboy and Ual747

Thanx for emphasizing who is the biggest operator. But do you know specifically which routes they fly long-haul? I read in a thread when they got their 767-400 that they used it between Tokyo-via Saipan to the United States. But in terms of direct, do you know whats the longest?

I heard a European carrier used to do straight to LAS. I wonder if that was the longest. I know OZ before the 777's used to do ICN-SEA with a 767-300ER which is quite long. But again Air China and Air Canada's YVR-PEK routes are long and also Air Canada's YVR-PVG route....
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Hau

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:40 am

BTW, are they ever going to get anymore 772's?


DL has five 772ERs on order, twenty on option, and five additional on rolling option...

...how many of these ever make it to the fleet, is any amateur's guess at this point.
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Hau

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:43 am

But do you know specifically which routes they fly long-haul?

Yes, plenty.... of which I will not bother listing.



I read in a thread when they got their 767-400 that they used it between Tokyo-via Saipan to the United States.

That's CO cher, not DL.



But in terms of direct, do you know whats the longest?

Pretty sure JFK-CDG-BOM is DL's longest direct 767 flight.... I haven't looked out for any possible California-Europe add-ons of the same flight/aircraft.

FCO-ATL, for DL anyways.




I heard a European carrier used to do straight to LAS. I wonder if that was the longest.

As for Euro-carriers... I believe the longest scheduled 767 service for a good while, was AZ's flight to SFO using a 763ER. Don't quote me on that.

[Edited 2004-12-13 03:50:46]
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:45 am

"Thanx for emphasizing who is the biggest operator. But do you know specifically which routes they fly long-haul? I read in a thread when they got their 767-400 that they used it between Tokyo-via Saipan to the United States. But in terms of direct, do you know whats the longest?"

- Delta never operated any of the 767 variants transpacific. Delta DID operate FRA-BOM with the 763 (I think, or perhaps it was DEL)

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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Hau

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:53 am

Delta never operated any of the 767 variants transpacific

DL does that multiple times daily




Delta DID operate FRA-BOM with the 763 (I think, or perhaps it was DEL)

Wasnt DEL, and they still will op FRA-BOM.
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:55 am

Sorry, forgot the Hawaii Market....No US-ASIA flights with the 76

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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:27 pm

Here are longhaul 767 routes:

ATL-HNL
SLC-HNL
CVG-HNL
LAX-HNL
SFO-HNL
ATL-ANC
SLC-ANC
CVG-LGW
CVG-FRA
CVG-CDG
CVG-FCO
CVG-AMS
ATL-LIM
ATL-GIG
ATL-GRU
ATL-SCL
ATL-LGW
ATL-MAN
ATL-DUB
ATL-SNN
ATL-CDG
ATL-FRA
ATL-MAD
ATL-BCN
ATL-BRU
ATL-AMS
ATL-FCO
ATL-MXP
ATL-MUC
ATL-STR
ATL-ZRH
ATL-SJO
JFK-CDG
JFK-FRA
JFK-AMS
JFK-BRU
JFK-MAD
JFK-BCN
JFK-FCO
JFK-MXP
JFK-VCE
JFK-TXL (coming soon)
JFK-NCE
JFK-IST
JFK-SVO
FRA-BOM
CDG-BOM

There are more by the way if anyone else cares to add to that list.

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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:27 pm

AC YVR - PVG is the longest 767 flight I believe
 
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:38 pm

I guess in the current run, is it AC's YYZ-NRT flight?

Does anybody know the site where I can check the range out?
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:48 pm

ConcordeBoy - I do not know where you got your info, but there is not a single transpacific 767 of Delta, and i believe only a couple in general, those being Air Canada. And once again your wrong with DL FRA-DEL, youre right DEL, but it is currently CDG, not FRA.

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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:05 pm

DL fly daily JFK-CDG-BOM and daily JFK-FRA-BOM on the 763.

In the past, they did SLC-JFK-FRA-BOM, so that would probably be the longest direct flight.

Delta do not fly to Dilly.

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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:23 pm

Since when is Hawaii transpacific?

That would be like saying flying to Oklahoma is transcontinental.
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:36 pm

I heard a European carrier used to do straight to LAS. I wonder if that was the longest.

Britannia fly a 763 weekly from BOH-SNN (fuel stop)-LAS, which is almost on the limit for a 767-300/ER. The maximum performance on the 'ER version is 5800nm when fueled up to the brim so LHR-LAS (LHR for example) is a 5200nm leg, so that's pushing it quite abit...

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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:56 pm

Alitalia had a NRT-MSP flight on a 767? Need more info on that flight?
 
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:19 am

Hey SESGDL,

You forgot to include DL's new ATL-EZE service!!

DL has expanded its non-stop South America service out of ATL
 
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:40 am

They fly the 763ER to SVO. Do they fly that over the Pacific or through Europe? I thought it was trans-Pacific, somebody help me out here...
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:50 am

Condor seasonal did (or is doing?) FRA-LAS.
 
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:55 am

LAN has 18 767s, all used in long hauls:

Delta Airlines has 123 Boeing 767s with 38 more in order. hehehe  Big grin
 
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:57 am

TLV-ORD is the longest from what I can tell, 6162 miles, operated on LY 767-200ER. Some of the others posted are not close:

LAS/FRA - 5570
ATl/EZE - 5012
FRA/BOM - 4082
LAX/SCL - 5661
 
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:42 am

Here are some of Air Canada's B767 long-haul services:

AC1 YYZ-NRT 6406mi
AC90 YYZ-GRU 5096mi
AC92 YYZ-SCL 5359mi
AC86 YYZ-TEL 5782mi
AC29 YVR-PEK 5282mi
AC35 YVR-KIX 5203mi
AC34 YVR-PVG 5608mi
AC884 YYC-FRA 4682mi

AC's 762's and AC763's also serve most transatlantic and high capacity domestic operations.
According to air canada.ca there are Currently 14 762's and 33 763's in operation. But I think there are 42 B767 currently in Air Canada's fleet.

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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:13 am

If Alitalia ever flew NRT-MSP I will eat ConcordeBoy's drawer's
 
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:45 am

According to DL's schedules, their three longest 763ER nonstop routes (by miles) are:
ATL-FCO - 5035 miles
JFK-IST - 5011 miles
ATL-EZE - 4998 miles

Their two longest nonstop 764 routes are:
ATL-HNL - 4501 miles
CVG-HNL - 4432 miles

 
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:06 am

Prior to LHR being all 777 service (on AA), I do recall AA flying LAX-LHR with a 767-223ER.

 
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Hau

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:31 am

I agree with Ktachiya that the seating pattern of the 767 should make it very comfortable for long haul.

However, it has been my experience that the 767 is not often used on "flagship" routes, or whatever the routes are called on which a carrier is trying to show itself at its very best.

As a result, I have flown on many a tired-looking 767, with minimum entertainment, and with cabin crews that are not exactly tip-top. Delta's Latin America flights are typical: nothing horrid, far from it, but no "panache" And why should they with the loads they have anyway (full full full).

Now, if Ktachiya wants to know about luxury on 767, he or she needs to go back 20 - 22 years. TWA transcons with menu, hot towel etc...
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:44 am

Couple more very long 767 routes:

SFO-EGLL ( United )

LAX - UUEE ( Aeroflot ) = 6079 Miles
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:01 am

One former Europe to LAS 763 op was Citybird BRU-LAS-OAK-BRU (which I flew BRU-LAS-OAK on 25 Aug 98, OO-CTQ). They did that routing once a week and BRU-OAK-BRU for a second weekly OAK service.

UA also flies 763 from SFO to various places in Europe, varying by season and over the years (probably more before they built up the 777 fleet -- for example in the mid 90s all their SFO-LHR ops, at least off season, were 763). The flights from SFO to Europe on 763 typically take a good 30 mins longer than on 744/777.
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:04 am

Back in the late 80's and early 90's Briannia Airways operated their 767's from the UK to Australia.

That has gotta be one of the longest routes.
 
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:24 am

the 767 is not often used on "flagship" routes, or whatever the routes are called on which a carrier is trying to show itself at its very best.

Though this may be true for international routes it certainly isnt for domestic. It seems that a lot of carriers use the 767 on domestic routes to show their "dominence" on it.

AA, DL, and UA all do JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO on 767s. DL used to do LGA-FLL on a 767 before song. Most of these are being dropped down to 757s however.
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:21 am

Airliner777: Delta Airlines has 123 Boeing 767s with 38 more in order. hehehe

It's not a contest, nor a comparison. LAN is still one on of the largest consumers of the 767 (11th I think), and the 100% of them are used in long hauls, with probably one of the best rates of flights. That was all, no need to make fun of the post.


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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:35 pm

N867bx

NRT-MSP was really a 767-300 for Alitalia before they got their T7's into the market. Yes, that's quite a distance considering that all other European carriers use T7's, A340's, and 744. But Alitalia used to be the one flying in the 742 until recently before it got changed to 767-300ER.
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Hau

Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:59 pm


NRT-MSP was really a 767-300 for Alitalia before they got their T7's into the market.


...dude, what they've been trying to tell you is that AZ flew NRT-MXP, not MSP.
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:09 pm

MSP=Minneapolis/St Paul (where those red tails often go)
MXP=Milan

Glad we could clear that up, did not want to eat anyones drawer's today.
 
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:15 pm

Sorry about that. How many miles is that btw?

I asked if anyone knew the address to the site that could calculate the distances but can you guys give me the url?
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:28 pm

Wow.... I actually find out that its 6147 miles now. So is YYZ-NRT the furthest route for the time being then? So YYZ-NRT would leave about 1000 kilometers in the end for the ac. But is it possible to do the YYZ-NRT direction with that range? Or are there absolutely no payload restrictions whatsoever? This is quite an accomplishment. I never thought about it this way but since JFK is about 6737 miles from NRT, an airliner can (without wind calculations) fly it the 767-300ER from NRT-JFK.

My other question if if AC on its east bound flight (YYZ-NRT) flight doesn't have any payload restrictions and would expect some trade-winds to eat its fuel, is there barely any fuel left when it lands in NRT? That sounds like an adventure for the pilots!!!
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Hau

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:33 pm

I asked if anyone knew the address to the site that could calculate the distances but can you guys give me the url?

http://gc.kls2.com
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:39 pm

"ConcordeBoy - I do not know where you got your info, but there is not a single transpacific 767 of Delta,"

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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:19 pm

Arcano: It's not a contest, nor a comparison. LAN is still one on of the largest consumers of the 767 (11th I think), and the 100% of them are used in long hauls, with probably one of the best rates of flights. That was all, no need to make fun of the post.


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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:39 pm

It still amazes me that AC does YYZ-NRT on 763. Probably close to zilch in the cargo hold on the westbound leg.

AZ did NRT-FCO on a 763, which is even farther than NRT-MXP just before the 772s arrived a few years ago.

For most carriers, the 767 isn't the flagship of a carrier's fleet because something is usually bigger. About the only exception is DL currently because it has very few aircraft bigger than 763 on int'l routes.
 
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Hau

Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:50 pm

About the only exception is DL currently because it has very few aircraft bigger than 763 on int'l routes.

Um, the 772ER is the flagship of DL's fleet.
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Haul?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:13 pm

Concordeboy

Thanx for that URL
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RE: Who Is The Largest Operators Of 767's Long Hau

Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:27 pm

Britannia fly a 763 weekly from BOH-SNN (fuel stop)-LAS, which is almost on the limit for a 767-300/ER. The maximum performance on the 'ER version is 5800nm when fueled up to the brim so LHR-LAS (LHR for example) is a 5200nm leg, so that's pushing it quite abit...

DColeman

Umm ... its not weekly. As far as I can tell, this winter it has been an adhoc charter on the 27th November.

The Britannia UK-Australia flights were obviously the longest 767 routes flown, but I guess this thread is really about non-stops... Britannia stoped in Abu Dhabi and Batam. Longest sectors on this were around 3500nm which wasn't so much of a push for the aircraft, even in charter config.


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