CB777
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CO Fleet Options

Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:59 am

If CO does secure the China routes, will ordering new widebodies be an
inevitability...?
 
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:48 pm

A possibility... yes

An inevitability (directly correlated to the securing of said authority)... no
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:45 am

I think they could squeeze one of the Chinese routes out of the present fleet; two would be hard, probably costing them very decent profits on another long haul route.
 
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:37 am

I've thought about this as well, but given the massive capital costs, I'd say it's more likely that the necessary 777s will be placed on China, and the fleet cascaded/downgraded as necessary or practical from there.

ie: more 757s on intl routes across the pond, etc.

Tough to say especially given the new European routes as well.
 
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:30 am

Based on the current 18 777's at CO, and assuming that CO gains permission for both Shanghai and Beijing, I think you can forget any CO 777's flying to Europe.

IAH-NRT-2 planes
EWR-NRT-2 planes
EWR-HKG-3 planes
EWR-TLV-3 planes (two flights per day)
EWR-BJS-3 planes
EWR-PVG-3 planes
EWR-??? (DEL)-2 planes


 
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:35 am

CO has a single remaining option for a 777 , they will most likely exercise that at somepoint.
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:36 am

There are available 777s parked in the desert (UA's leased planes) right now that will may be available to CO if they do pick up more routes to Asia and do need to aquire more planes. However, UA got rid of those planes because they had the worst lease terms. If CO is going to pick them up, they need to be prepared for much of the same.
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:38 am

UAL's Pratt powered 777s do match with CO's GE90 fleet of 777s, but you never know if the price is right..
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:42 am

SLUAviator,

Given the current financial status of CO, that is an excellent idea for CO to take over 777 from UA that are parked. CO will eventually have to place a order for more aircraft if they obtain all the above routes. Like Airzim pointed out, those routes use several planes to complete, and CO isn't operating a huge T7 fleet. Look for either CO to take on some leased UA planes or reduce their European routes to 757 or 767 to use the 777 for Pacific flights. CO could always just order the 7E7 and use it instead.  Smile

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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:53 am

Given that UA has parked 777-200A equipment that would be incompatible with the rest of CO's fleet, odds are that if CO needed more aircraft they'd simply sign a deal with Boeing to purchase additional airframes.

I wouldn't see CO using any of UA's 777 fleet even if they were an absolutely screaming deal - while you could argue that one 777 to CO is one less for UA to use, those parked 777s are actively costing UA money, and obviously they have no need for them right now anyway.

CO's better off with new equipment, both for fleet commonality as well as from a competitive standpoint vs. UA.
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CB777
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:30 am

The B777LR is a perfect fit for CO. Hopefully within in the next 2 years they
will order the 7E7.
 
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:08 pm

With cycling the planes through the system the fleet usage is less than what airzim posted mainly because a plane does not fly between two poists all the time which is what those numbers assume

IAH-NRT-2 planes
EWR-NRT-2 planes
EWR-HKG-2 planes
EWR-TLV-3 planes (two flights per day)
EWR-BJS-2 planes
EWR-PVG-2 planes
EWR-??? (DEL)-2 planes <------will not be hapening util 2006 or 2007
IAH-LGW- 2 (two flights per day)
IAH-CDG- 1
EWR-LGW- 1
EWR-AMS- 1


with out DEL that is 18 frames which is the total that they have right now, TLV useage coulg become 2 frames which would allow an aditional Europe flight. An order of 10 or so 777-300ERs for HKG, NRT, China, LGW and TLV might be very useful.
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:10 pm

I think the B777-300ER may be a little too much for CO.
 
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:16 pm

UAL's Pratt powered 777s do match with CO's GE90 fleet of 777s

um... huh  Confused





I think the B777-300ER may be a little too much for CO.

...so does CO
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:33 pm

hrmm, CO ordering the 777-300 would be akin to Frontier ordering the A380
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:37 pm

hrmm, CO ordering the 777-300 would be akin to Frontier ordering the A380

God that's a crappy anaolgy....  Insane

CO has Ge90 powered 777s, they already opperate the common 772ER, and they have the capital to purchase aircraft, though it wouldn't prudent to do so. CO could easily opperate the 773ER, it's simply a matter of filling 60 extra seats all year round.

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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:54 pm

I think this question could apply to DL as well. If they get a China route, five 777s would be allocated for China and their NRT route. Currently 3 are allocated to NRT. Concordeboy's response would work here as well "possibly" but not invevitable. And, oh yeah, DL needs to make money first  Smile
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:01 pm

Very true, B4real. DL needs to shut their pilots up first. Making money before buying planes is like putting gas in your car before a long trip, it just HAS to happen.
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:05 pm

Anyone know what options Continental has on other aircraft types?
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RE: CO Fleet Options

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:07 pm

I think they might have options for a few more narrowbody frames, if I'm not mistaken, give the forum a fe wminutes, SOMEONE will undoubtedly fix this issue, lol.
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